why many of our civil servant is lazy

because they never aware that they are paid by the people pay taxes for country. what a irony. they never served the people who pay them (even not directly)

I think they are fully aware that they are paid from tax money, but to feel bad about not serving the people who actually pay them, they must also have a conscience and care about the people. I think they only care about getting paid. As long as they have nothing to lose (getting fined, fired, etc.) nothing will happen.

yes, it`s sad for people who care this country. we hope that our government make a formula to make work efficient for civil servant and give some punish for lazy civil servant and give the gift and rewards for dilligent civil servant.whats your opinion?

Reward And Punishment has been plan and already become a rules in the goverment. But it all only rules in paper. What important is not the rules it self, but how it is implemented in real life application. Most of the civel servant broke the rules because they know that the rules is just an empty thread for them. So until the goverment can make the rules apply in the field, they shouldnt make any more rules. Coz it just a wasted of time and a wasted of our money ( which we pay to them with taxes ).

whats the different civil servant meaning and government employee? in where office you are working? it`s difference between lazy and doesnt care, and i know the meaning of lazy.i had many bad experience when i had some business in government office especially in the last active day in ramadhan and the first day after idul fitri vacation. what`s your opinion?

Of course they are a two different words, that's why we have a different vocabulary for that word. Servant, in English means a person who works to handle HOUSE HOLD. Employee is a person whose work is usually official. Honestly when first reading your discussion, I thought you were talking about TKI, not PNS. Those are a two different job. I work for Direktorat Jenderal Pajak, and we have a very strict rules compared to PNS from Pemda, for example. We use finger print absention, have to be in office at 7.30-17.00. Coming late, go home early, or not coming to work causing a cut in our insentive. Lazy workers are everywhere, in government institution, private companies or whatever. We can't generalize them all by saying PNS are lazy, private employees are dilligent or something like that. I, as a government's employee hope that the lazy ones that you are talking about would get punished. It's not fair for the dedicated employees. The punishment and reward have to be clear.

Well i think lazy is the right word in here. And civil servant is a right word also. Why, because they not working for the government, but to the civil, to the poeple who pays them ( with taxes ).

Did you c the news today? Most of the civil servant is not there in the office. They not come to the office, and some of them even sign their name in the absent book.

And off course, its not fair for me to judge all the civil servant. I Know some of them whose diligent in their work. Like i said, RULES is not some random word that you write in paper, but it is a law that you have to follow. It is why, the government should make sure that the RULES is apply and its implementation is been inspect regulerly and randomly.

it`s no different meaning civil servant and government employee. if you want to search out the meaning PNS,it`s familiar if we use civil servant. but the controversial that discussed here is not the meaning civil servant and government employee but lazy or dilligent the civil servant/government employee.

i nver generalize all civil servant. i know that lazy people in many sector not only in government office but why i focused on government office because all indonesian people pay taxes and retributions to pay them (no directly) so why many our expetations to them to work with their heart.

Yes, we all have so much attention to civil servant because most of us pay taxes to the government. Then the government pay the civil servant. So we know that Civil servant use our money, so circumstancially we are the boss of the civil servant. We do our part at watching the Civil servant act, the same way lika a boss watching his people.

Yes im agree with you. Almost from top to bottom have this kind of attitude, so it is hard to change this. Maybe the only way is to change all of them with new people all at once. But the budget would be high and the uproad it will bring would be great. But the government must do something, or else this kind of habbit will last forever.