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Bible Bashers Say: Santa-Satan? Really!  email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304) 3 years ago

Be careful, Mylotters - apparently our portly, friendly little Santa is actually Satan, popping down your chimney into your home on Christmas eve, to infect your childrens minds with evil!

Apparently, according to some particularly insane God botherers, Santa is Satans creation, as he has "no beginning and no end", wears the same colour as Satan, and his name is an anagram of Satans name. They also assert that Santas surname, Claus, comes from the old English for hoof claws.

Ok, first point - there is a beginning to Santa Claus, namely St Nicholas, who sold his inherited wealth to provide for the poor and needy, and was known for particular kindness to children. His name was pronounced Sänt Neeklaus, and us Westerners changed it, to Santa Claus. That's how simple it is, really.

Second, prior to Clement C Moores poem, The Night Before Christmas, Santa was envisaged as being dressed in green. It is the popularity of this poem which has dictated his charicature as a fat, jolly, little man dressed in bright red, and has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the burning red of the fires of hell. Honestly!

Third, well I think I explained that in the explanation of where his name came from - St Nicholas; a man who devoted his entire life to God, if you must know, not the devil. And fourth, I've already answered as well.

But a fifth point has to be mentioned here as well - HE'S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER! Got that? He is entirely made up for the purpose of making this time more magical for kids everywhere. That's all!

I agree that rampant consumerism is all too apparent at this time of year, but most people have the idea that it's a time for Christmas spirit, kindness and generosity as well. Maybe we need to concentrate on that side of things a bit more, and spending as much money as possible, a bit less, but there's no evil involved in Santa.

So let the kids have it, their magic time, leaving whisky out for Santa, and a carrot for Rudolph , let the parents have the fun of printing icing sugar bootprints on the floor, and celebrating the fact that they have children in their lives.

Maybe this year, all you religious zealots out there who are determined to turn something innocent and magical into something evil and wicked, should do yourselves a favour, and ask Santa for a couple of sessions in a psychiatric unit!

 

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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. OreoCookie3 (22470)   3 years ago

For me there is room for both Santa and Jesus.. no problem for me... some Christians believe that because Christmas has pagan roots that the Christmas Tree is evil.. Santa is Satan.. and so forth... I call it ignorant and go my own way doing my Christmas the way I want to.. if it makes some folks feel good to call everything evil.. that's them and their beliefs.. I don't fault them for it at all.. but just don't push it on to me, and I won't push my way on to them. My adoptive mom is one who calls a tree evil... I just roll my eyes and let her talk.. I don't have to think the way she does to love her.


myLot reputation of 96/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (3604)  3 years ago

Hiya Oreo,

I have an Aunt who is a Jehovahs Witness and she loves me to bits and I love her to bits. We never mention each others beliefs for anything we just natter about us instead of all the other stuff. Before I moved I also used to get on great with another Woman who is a Jehovah Witness I really don´t know why this is.
I just accept at face value them being as they are.


myLot reputation of 95/100. OreoCookie3 (22470)  3 years ago

That's me too. My mom is not Jehovah's Witness... but she has a friend who is.. and they talk a lot.. mom has many of the same kind of beliefs.. but she will do birthday parties.. she just won't do Christmas.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304)  3 years ago

Hi Oreocookie. Absolutely, that's the way it should be - live and let live. There seem to be some people who are determined to see evil in everything though, as you mention. They must have miserable lives! Lol!

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2. myLot reputation of 94/100. thezone (3927)   3 years ago

Maybe some were dyslexic and got mixed up with the spelling


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

lol


myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304)  3 years ago

Hee hee hee! Nah, I think they're just missing a couple of cogs!

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (6932)   3 years ago

My personal opinion is they are both stories for children.

And if y'all want to lie to your children, go right ahead, I won't attempt to stop you.


myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)  3 years ago

I'm with you Lamby.wub


myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304)  3 years ago

Hmmm. I know some people have a problem with things like Santa, and the tooth fairy, etc, but I remember those things pretty fondly, and it was a good experience for me during my childhood, so I don't see the harm, personally. On the other hand, I suppose I can remember the utter dread of getting up in the morning and finding a sack of ashes where my presents should be - which is what I was threatened with if I wasn't goodcry. I think I would probably leave that part out if (when, hopefully) I have kids.

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)   3 years ago

hiya Lou! hugs*

OK lock me up! lol I love Christmas, because of what it stands for, a time of giving, but I can also see why it has been linked to evil, because of the money being spent. Maybe if we were to revert back to what St Nicholas (Nicholas as in old Nick? lol) did...MADE toys to give to children instead of spending money it would have more meaning and reasoning behind it.

Alice happy


myLot reputation of 96/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (3604)  3 years ago

Hiya Alice,

The few adverts I half watch and not were showing a Campaign to give toys to Children in other parts of the World. This was on last year but I really think that it is not the Spanish Government itself who does this it´s the local Government of Catalunya where Barcelona is. It´s a really great idea but no one knows where to give to or send to as they never say. They just keep saying give but you don´t know where and how.
Anyway I hope they I hope they get their Toys wherever they are.
They send these Toys all over the World to any Country.
Our Christmas here lasts until the Sixth of January hence the real belief is in the Three Wise Men known here as the Three Kings. So this is why this campaign has only just started.


myLot reputation of 96/100. lovinangelsinstead21 (3604)  3 years ago

Hiya Alice,

Again just to say that I would not lock you up. If I were in Britain I would bring back the Celebrations that lasted until the Sixth of January like before.
Maybe if I go back they will try to lock me up? I think all that kind of restrictions is ludicrous.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

Hiya Sue happy
That is a bit odd blink Try a search 'local Government of Catalunya gift aid' maybe they have a website.
So were the Magi were connected to the length of time Christmas is celbrated there (to the 6th January), was that the time it took them to journey?
I hear parties going well into the New Year here lol, and I doubt they'd lock you up either happy


myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304)  3 years ago

OMG, Alice! Never mind lock me up, they'd have to put me in a wooden box if it lasted until Jan 6th! I don't even have kids to shop for, and I'm still glad it's almost over! Lol! Bah, humbug! This time last week, I was full of Christmas cheer, but now I'm thinking "Are we nearly there yet?"

I never even thought of the "old Nick" thing! Don't tell the bible bashers, for Santas sake!lol


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5358)  3 years ago

lol my lips are sealed! I have to admit I'm glad to get home and have a rest and I thought my Sunday was a delayed boxing day when having a squabble with mum's neighbour! rolleyes

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5. myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   3 years ago

that is ridiculous. and what on earth are hoof claws anyway? i read this on a spoof site but apparently there are some people who really believe this. here's the link to the satirical site: http://www.landoverbaptis...


myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304)  3 years ago

Hi, Jb. From what I've read, hoof claws was just an old fashioned description of hooves. I liked the site, but to be honest, having read some of the real sites, it took me a while to convince myself that the writer was being satirical! It's only slightly less hysterical than the actual santa hating sites. I so want to get that book now though. oops, there I go, coveting again.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Louc74 (304)  2 years ago

I've just looked at that site again, and it's the nutty handover baptists site! They DO believe that stuff, Jb! Have a look on their forum. Some crazy people there.

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