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Why there must be an end to the evil of so called positive discrimination   email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics 2 years ago

Ali Dizaei, 47, a Metropolitan Police commander, is accused of misconduct in a public office and perverting the course of justice.

Ali, former president of the Black Police Association (Why an Iranian should be in such an organisation is beyond me) it is alleged, used his position as a guardian of the law for personal gain, and when investigated he always claimed discrimination.

He was finally caught out when claiming someone who owed money to him had attacked him after he had assaulted them. A doctor examining him found the injuries to be self inflicted.

Before such organisations as the Black Police Association are allowed should we ask what our view would be of a White Police Association?

Sauce for the goose, so they say, is sauce for the gander!

all the best urban

 

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1. myLot reputation of 78/100. 3honor (9699)   2 years ago

As a woman, I would be insulted if asked to be member of or chair of an organisation just because I was female but we do tend to have a different view from other groups


myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

It is a shame that not all women feel that way

all the best urban

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. raydene (5491)   2 years ago

Hi Sweets

I don't know enough about this to respond

very well ...so I guess I will just not say much

I might look it up later to see if I can learn more.

xoxoxoxoxo

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3. myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19610)   ranked 218 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

Get rid of the Black or African american associations if we are not allowed to have a White or European American association. I would not mind a Ghanian American or an Italian American Association because that is usually people from Ghana (who are black) and people from Italy (who are white) and usually that involves recipes from those countries, dancing, festivals from the home land, etc. When I lived on the west coast, there were Norwegian Associations and Italian, German, etc. and no one said "discrimination and bigotry" because we all knew that every once in a while these people would show up at Folk Fest in their native costumes and we would get a feast of the dishes that were popular over in their country.
But now in America and in Canada, if a club or association is exclusive to Blacks or Natives or even Orientals, it is fine, but for white people it is discrimination.
Why in Canada there were children taken away from parents who were Nazis, not because they were teaching the children to shoot guns and bomb synagogues and persecute Jews, but because they were against interracial marriage. Horrors! for me, teaching a child to bomb a synagogue or throw rocks or kill people of non-white backgrounds would be worse then not letting them marry outside of their race! Mind you that is not as bad as marrying outside your religion if you are a Christian.


myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

This is about events in Britain.

Just to clarify, are you really saying it is worse to marry one that is not Christian than to teach their children to shoot guns and bomb synagogues and persecute Jews?

all the best urban


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19610)   ranked 218 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

If you marry an unbeliever there is the difficulty with children. You may want the children to go to church while your spouse may not. He may want the children to go to the temple. He may also be an atheist. And he may also think it is all right to waste your wages on gambling. (by the way, I did not know you were talking about
Britain, but I heard that the government there is becoming more anti-Christian.

By the way I said that if a couple tells that their children not to marry outside of their race or ethnic group if they are European, it is not as bad as telling their children that it is all right to bomb synagoues or persecute those of a different race. So it was not what your question asked.
For me it is wrong to marry outside your religion if you are practicing that, that is if you are on the fence, you can marry who you like, but once you start going to church, a temple, synagoue or whatever you marry in that religion.

I also figured that it is not right to say that it is wrong for white people to say to their children "you cannot marry any non-white person," and yet it is all right for non-white people to say "you can marry white a person."
I feel that the parents should have had their children removed not because they did not want their children to marry outside their color or 'race', but because they belonged to a group that advocated violence against anyone who did not confirm to their ideology and the Nazis not only were against Jews, they were against those who were Christians, Communists, people of different beliefs then they, yet the only reason the social worker took the kids away was "that their parents did not want them to marry outside their ethnic group," and the message given is that the social workers want the children only to marry someone who is non-white.
They did not say that their parents were part of a group that was known for bombing Jewish cemetaries, and do horrible things like that. If I were the social workers, I would put more emphasis on the dangerous lifestyle, their parents taking them on rides and throwing rocks at Jewish stores, beating up people of color and things like that. That would be a good reason to remove the children as they would be in danger.
Belonging to a group that advocates violence against people of another color, race, or religious belief is just as wrong as marrying outside your religion. It is all right to marry someone of a different color but like most marriages, there should be common interests. So someone can marry someone of a different ethnic group if they believe in the same way of raising children, love to go to the park on the Weekends, love long walks, etc. but if the only reason is that they want to prove they are non prejudicial, that is wrong.

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4. myLot reputation of 94/100. betsyraeduke (1254)   ranked 201 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

I am forming the Cute, Red headed Gals Association whistle


myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Are you sure they'll let you in? surrender

all the best urban


myLot reputation of 94/100. betsyraeduke (1254)   ranked 201 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

They have to, I am the president. rasp

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5. myLot reputation of 79/100. EnemyofEmpire (279)   2 years ago

Positive discrimination arose because of existing discrimination. It is not the best method of addressing and eliminating discrimination itself: education is. However, education works at a very slow pace over years, and positive discrimination is seen by many to be a method which speeds up this process of eliminating discrimination from society. So no, it is not a perfect method; but what would happen if you stopped employing it and relied on education to do it's work over several years as generations of children moved through the education system?

Please understand that I am in no way advocating positive discrimination as the ideal way of eliminating discrimination, rather I am asking people to understand why it is used. If you can suggest any alternative methodology for dealing with discrimination within a realistically achievable time scale then go ahead. That would be worthy of a discussion in it's own right, and not just on here.

Good discussion you've started though.


myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Better, thinks I, to award on merit alone. All discrimination is discrimination; positive is a misnomer.

all the best urban


myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Interestingly, you sound like a member of the empire not its enemy?

all the best urban


myLot reputation of 79/100. EnemyofEmpire (279)  2 years ago

It is better to award on merit alone and I don't believe I said otherwise.

A couple of little things do puzzle me though. Firstly I am interested to know how you link any of your OP, apart from the title of course, to the issue of positive discrimination. Secondly I am curious as to how you, on the basis of my response, believe that I sound like a member of the empire - whatever or whichever that may be - rather than an enemy of empire.


myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6783)   ranked 459 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

"It is better to award on merit alone and I don't believe I said otherwise."

"If you can suggest any alternative methodology for dealing with discrimination within a realistically achievable time scale then go ahead. "

Granted that is not an implicit recommendation of positive discrimination but it tacitly implies that it should be accepted unless another alternative can be found. That I do not accept, since it is not a timely way of dealing with the problem but actually exacerbates the problem.

I mentioned positive discrimination because the officer having claimed discrimination to overcome the initial charges against him was 'fact-tracked' for promotion. And secondly because to have a 'Black police organisation' when a similar organisation for Whites would not be allowed is discrimination and would, presumably, be called positive.

Supporter of the empire because you defend the status quo, that was all

all the best urban

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