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myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics 2 years ago

In a follow up to another discussion I posted previously. Bill Ayers was invited then dis invited to the University of Wyoming, here is what happened -


CASPER, Wyo. (AP) — A judge who served as a Marine in Vietnam ruled Tuesday the University of Wyoming must allow William Ayers to speak on campus, but also expressed disdain for an anti-war group co-founded by the former radical that claimed responsibility in the 1960s for a series of nonfatal bombings.

U.S. District Judge William Downes issued his ruling, saying a free society must both exercise and guarantee free speech rights.

"I can scarcely swallow the bile of my contempt" for the Weather Underground, the judge said. "But the fact is Mr. Ayers is a citizen of the United States who wishes to speak, and he need not offer any more justification than that."

Ayers, a professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago, co-founded the Weather Underground during the Vietnam War era.

The university had cited safety concerns in not allowing him to speak at a campus event Wednesday. But Downes said that the threats of violence the university reported receiving were too vague to warrant denying Ayers' right to speak on campus.

Ayers will now speak Wednesday at UW about free speech at the invitation of student Meg Lanker.

Lanker said after the decision Tuesday that free speech is "alive" at UW. During Monday's hearing, an attorney for Ayers and Lanker said security concerns were overblown and the university was more worried about losing donations.

The university issued a statement saying it will comply with the court's order and will provide appropriate security.

"The heart of the issue was whether as president of the university, I can cancel a speaking engagement if I believe there are overriding safety concerns for the university community," UW President Tom Buchanan said in a prepared statement.

Bryan Profaizer, president of a conservative student group at the university, said he expected some effort to organize a protest of Ayers.

"To what magnitude, I don't know at this point," Profaizer said.

Ayers originally was invited to speak at the university in Laramie on April 5 by the privately endowed UW Social Justice Research Center. But the center's director canceled the event after the invitation drew hundreds of protests.

Lanker then extended an invitation to Ayers to speak at the school, but the university refused to rent out a sports complex for the event. Lanker and Ayers filed a lawsuit against the school, saying it violated their constitutional rights to free speech and assembly.

President Barack Obama served with Ayers on the board of a Chicago charity before becoming president. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, made the connection an issue, accusing Obama of "palling around with terrorists."

Obama has condemned Ayers' radical activities, and there's no evidence they were ever close friends or that Ayers advised Obama on policy.

In the 1960s, the Weather Underground claimed responsibility for a series of bombings that included nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol.

Ayers was a fugitive for years before surrendering in 1980. Charges against him were later dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct.

Other universities have canceled Ayers speeches recently, including the University of Nebraska and Boston College. He's also been confronted by protesters at other appearances. However, Ayers testified Monday the Wyoming case is the first time he has filed a lawsuit against a college for denying him the right to speak.

http://www.foxnews.com/us...

How do you feel about the ruling? I think the best way to proceed, let him speak, but hopefully only Lankin shows up. And now I would hope the University would not have to pay for the speaker.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 97/100. hofferp (2894)   ranked 23 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I had a feeling the judge would rule with Ayers, because UW is a public institution (or at least I thought it was). Let him speak...and hopefully, you're right...and the only one to show up inside the hall is Lankin with the rest of the folks outside the hall expressing their right to speak.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

exactly. And the judge let his distaste for Ayers show. But had to rule that way.

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2. myLot reputation of 51/100. ladybugmagic (896)   ranked 585 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

This is a victory for free speech.

And those non-fatal explosions sound just awful in comparison to the death toll and continued birth defects in Vietnam.

I like that you made it clear that Palin was mistaken on Obama's "close friendship" with Ayers. She just plays politics, and uses the keywords she knows will get attention.

Maybe I have not given her enough credit - she is smart enough to be manipulative, but still dumber than dirt.


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Funny, Sergeant Brian V. McDonnell didn't seem to think those explosions were non-fatal. Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins apparently didn't get your memo on non-fatal explosions either. But go on, cheer for your favorite terrorist. Now we know that bombings and terrorism are perfectly acceptable to you if the people responsible are left wing extremists.


myLot reputation of 51/100. ladybugmagic (896)   ranked 585 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Taskr - the intention was never to harm anyone. The intention was to raise awareness.

Those four unintended deaths were unfortunate casualties of a justified domestic war, and pale in comparison to the tens of thousands of deaths in nam, on top of tens of thousands of wounded, or those who lost limbs, etc. And we attacked civilians, making us the terrorists. Those fighting against the war and inequality are heroes. But your world would fall apart having to admit that.

Apparently the wing nuts on your side find things like the Kent State school shootings perfectly acceptable. Guards fired 67 rounds in thirteen seconds and killed four unarmed students and wounded nine others, all because of a peaceful protest.


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

"casualties of a justified domestic war"

Domestic war? Wow, you sure put that one there for us all. So you acknowledge that he's guilty of treason for participating in a war against the US government? Thank you for acknowledging that you support both treason AND terrorism against our country. Funny how you support such activities yet bash the Tea Party people for their PEACEFUL protests.


myLot reputation of 51/100. ladybugmagic (896)   ranked 585 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

No, taskr. Not even close.

You always take things so literally.

If we have to go back to our silly games with one another, why don't you look up the word "justified".

And, shouting racial slurs and obscenties at congress people is not "peaceful". It just shows their roots.


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

There's still no evidence that happened and the only one person has actually claimed that it happened. Newspapers even went so far as to lie and claim Heath Schuler heard it to which he promptly stated that was not true.

Even if they did say hateful things, it's pretty frightening that you consider bombs a better alternative to slurs.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Taskr - it just isn't fair. You should not have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's just not fair.surrender..


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6782)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Perhaps. I'm often reminded of something a friend used to say. Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

very wise words. If you want to continue this insane game, by all means. But I know it is getting painful for me! I can ignore it though yawn

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