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myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics 2 years ago

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NOGALES, Mexico — The line of Mexicans waiting to go shopping in Arizona snakes twice around the sun-drenched plaza, even as politicians nearby slap stickers on cars calling for a boycott of the U.S. state.

And the illegal migrants targeted by a tough new Arizona law dismiss it as just another obstacle that pales in comparison to the extortion, arrests and kidnappings they already risk to reach U.S. soil. They vow to keep on coming.

Resentment has erupted throughout Mexico over the immigration law in Arizona that is considered racist here. But crossing back and forth between the countries is so intrinsic to their lives that many Mexicans find it hard to give it up despite calls by immigration activists for a boycott of Arizona.

"Border cities depend on each other and it has been that way for many years," said Maria Romero, a nurse from Nogales, which lies across from the Arizona town of the same name. "It seems they don't understand that on the other side and are always looking for ways to make things more difficult."

There are few signs so far that the bill has deterred Mexicans from crossing into Arizona — legally or not. The wait to drive across the border is more than two hours.

The legislation signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer last week requires local and state police who stop people for another reason to question them about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally. Suspects would be detained if they are not carrying proper documents.

Supporters say the law is necessary because the federal government has failed to secure the border and because of rising anxiety over crime.

The measure has provoked huge protests in the United States by immigrant advocates who say it will encourage racial profiling. But the outcry south of the border has been subdued as Mexicans wait for the law to take effect and see how it will be implemented.

Some Mexican officials even warn that an economic boycott of Arizona could backfire if companies there lay off Mexican workers who would then no longer be able to send remittances back home.

For many of the tens of thousands of Mexicans who legally visit Arizona every day to shop for bargains or visit relatives, the cost of not going is too high — despite their dislike of the law.

In Nogales, Mexico, Romero lined up with hundreds of others at the border crossing, inching forward around a plaza and past vendors hawking jewelry and cheap souvenirs. She needed to buy a tuxedo for her 5-year-old son to wear to his kindergarten graduation and hoped to find it for a third of what it would cost in Mexico.

"No one should cross, but we go because we want to save," Romero said.

Life in the two cities is tightly interwoven despite the corrugated steel wall that runs along the hillsides, separating a string of fast-food restaurants and cheap clothing stores on the U.S. side from the dusty streets and nightclubs to the south.

The Mexican city, founded in the 19th century along a north-south railway line built to promote trade between the two countries, has become the largest point of entry for the estimated 65,000 Mexicans who visit Arizona every day, mostly for the big shopping malls.

At least 23,400 jobs in Arizona depend on the more than $7.35 million that Mexican visitors spend every day in stores, restaurants, hotels and other businesses, according to a University of Arizona study sponsored by the state's Office of Tourism.

In Santa Cruz county — where Arizona's Nogales is located — Mexican visitors account for 50 percent of taxable sales, the research found.

Mexicans angry about the immigration law want to deprive Arizona of that income.

The Institute for Mexicans Abroad, an autonomous government agency that supports Mexicans living and working in the United States, called for boycotts of Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways, the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Phoenix Suns until those organizations denounce the law.

Mexican legislators of all political stripes have called on the government of President Felipe Calderon to consider breaking commercial ties with Arizona. The government has issued a travel alert for the state, warning that migrants face an adverse political environment there.

A group of politicians handed out stickers at the Nogales border crossing over the weekend, urging Mexicans not to buy Arizona products.

"Made in Arizona SB 1070. I don't buy from those who discriminate," the stickers read, in reference to the bill.

The movement has yet to take off.

Nogales Mayor Jose Angel Hernandez said many Arizona shops, business and factories employ Mexicans who send money back to relatives south of the border.

"I have family in Nogales, Arizona, and I have a lot of friends who live and work there, and they help Nogales, Sonora," Hernandez said in an interview with The Associated Press. "That's why I worry that if the boycott is not directed correctly, it could harm our Mexican brothers who are there and are helping us."

At a shelter in Nogales, meanwhile, deported migrants discussed how soon they could get back across the border.

"I'll return to Arizona because I know a lot of people there, and I'll go where people will give me work, law or no law," said Nicasio Benitez, who worked in landscaping there until he was deported last week after being caught in a car with a cracked windshield.

He said he would visit family in the Gulf coast state of Veracruz before heading back to the border in a month.

"You live under a lot of pressure in Arizona. You have a hard time finding a place to rent, being able to drive," said Benitez, a father of three teenagers. "But what you make in the U.S. in one day, you make it in Mexico in one week."

"Life there is awful, but I don't go to the U.S. because I like living there," he added. "I go because I like dollars."




Wow sounds like Mexicans arent as upset as these "advocate groups" say they are.
What do you think?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 81/100. max1950 (1933)   ranked 231 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

i think the president needs to get some air time and tell "exactly" what the new law states, how can lawyers and advocasy groups sitting in an air conditioned office in some other state besides arizona know whats going on unless they live there and see first hand what the people of the state of arizona are going through. these armchair groups are pathetic little people with nothing else to do but start something they no nothing about. i myself think arizona made the right move with the new law, because obviously the federal gov't doesn't care how many criminals cross over and drug dealers are there killing police and innocent people adults and children in cross fires between cartels and police. wake up america because your town could be next.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

The President is against this new law and plans to pass legislation to counter attack it. He should stand up and talk about the FEDERAL law already there that they are not enforcing.

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2. myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

these people's arrogance astounds me. They are basically saying that they don't care about our laws...they are going to do what they want anyway. They don't care about our immigration laws. They will violate them anyway. They don't respect our country. Our laws..or the citizens of this country. So why should we care about them? Why should we give them amnesty? Why allow people who do not respect this country citizenship? We have EVERY right to have immigration laws. We have every right to enforce them. If you can't come here legally...don't come.
I don't feel sorry for any of them. if they are here illegally tehy should be deported and we need to close our borders to stop them from coming here illegally. We need to crack down on poeple who employ them. If they can't make the "dollars" they love so much they will leave.
Who are they to say what our laws should be. They are not citizens of this country. They don't get a say in how our country is run. It ticks me off that they think we "owe" them anything. They are criminals.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

These are people just coming over to shop. This is legal. The point is that all of the advocacy groups are saying to boycott Arizona and the Mexicans are like "nope we like to shop here" I think it is funny. The only thing that will come of this law is getting the ILLEGALS out.


myLot reputation of 83/100. lilwonders456 (3526)   ranked 34 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I don't care about the ones who come to shop and then go home. I could care less about them. But in the article (near it the end) there was a man who had been caught being an illegal here and sent back. He basically said he did not care what our laws were...he was going to come back again. That ticks me off. He has not respect for our country...so why should we "let" him in.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I agree with you 100% on that!

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. hofferp (2894)   ranked 23 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I don't mind if people come and shop and go home, after they shop. I just don't want them coming and staying/working without permission/documentation of that permission. We'll see if the new law works. I hope it does. And the advocate groups can go to...well, keep on advocating for all I care.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

lol I agree 100%

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4. myLot reputation of 59/100. bestboy19 (2458)   ranked 629 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

Nicasio Benitez says he crosses the border only for dollars and as long as someone will hire him, he will continue to live and work in America even though it's awful. Since Nicasio Benitez thinks "Life there is awful...", why doesn't Arizona put him out of his misery? Right there is the problem. The law should be going after those who hire illegals. There should be a financial disadvantage in hiring them whether it's a hefty fine, the loss of a license, jail time or all three.

Maybe the reason the "advocate groups" are making a stink is because this law puts illegals in our minds. If nothing is being said about illegals, who thinks about them? They can go on about their lives with no one taking much if any notice of them, but when a state like Arizona (a border state) makes an issue of them, then we all start thinking about them and what they are costing us. In times like these, knowing that employers are hiring people who are here illegally and who dislike us (but love our money and social programs) rather than unemployed citizens, really flies all over us.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I agree employers should be penalized heavily. The advocates just need a new hobby. There are plenty of things to worry about than the "poor" criminals

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5. myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2667)   ranked 149 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I wasn't alive during the Civil Rights or Women's Rights movements, so I missed out on legitimate injustice being corrected (albeit still in process) with the involvement of both the victim and victim advocates. But I'm willing to take a guess in saying that advocate groups today are definitely more upset than the groups they're advocating for.

I think it's because most people realize that Klansmen aren't running around in hoods and hanging black men, and there aren't any men at the voting booths keeping women away or with a megaphone in their offices shouting that they're destroying the American family.

And there aren't cops running around Arizona like zee Germanz demanding to see people's papers because they're not down with the brown.

New-age advocacy groups (politicians that can't get elected) do these things for a living. They get the people most likely to be involved with these types of issues involved.

Sharpton's freedom walkers walk at his command. The same news people feigning outrage about this have also been calling everyone racists or extremists since Obama got elected. The same average Joe and Jane uberupset now are in the progressive pocket and performing a soundcheck in the echo chamber to make sure the song is loud enough so no other tune can be heard.

It's all the same folks either upset or trying to make other folks upset. It's exploiting people and trying to extort them into bending.

It's the amnesty criers and the open borders crowd and the hypocritical humanitarians and the charlatans needing to pay their rent trying to turn law into fascism so things go back to the way they were.

It's how it always is these days. They're threatening to make the plight of true victims and the fight for justice pointless.

One by one, people decide they won't come charging up the hill to see the wolf that's never there.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I wonder how many can find Arizona on a map.
We have been watching America: the history of us on the History channel, a little under informed but pretty interesting. The mention John Brown during the Civil War. He ended up being charged with treason. But he advocated for quite a while and never had a single black person with him.


myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2667)   ranked 149 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

Maybe there was something about him that didn't sit well with people. I don't know how accurate any information on Brown is, especially coming from the History Channel (ironically lol). But Harriet Tubman had no problem finding folks to join her cause, black and white alike.

Maybe it was wise for blacks not to trust whites back then. I don't really know enough about Brown's involvement in history to comment. I did watch a little bit about it via the America series, but slavery is such a stain on our past that most programs partially fictionialize characters to make them better or worse depending on North or South affiliation.

I will say that the cause against owning an entire race of people and forcing them to be slaves is different than the cause against infidels and especially something like loosely pieced together racial profiling. So being "just" in one's actions certainly isn't always relative to belief.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

Brown stole 20000 guns from the armory to arm the slaves and nobody would join up with him.

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6. myLot reputation of 5/100. pumared (509)   2 years ago

yes

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7. myLot reputation of 60/100. 6precious102 (2531)   ranked 859 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

Illegal aliens, no matter what country they come from, obviously don't care about our laws. Therefore, any laws direct at the illegals, whether or not enforced, won't keep illegal aliens from coming into our country, especially when we have so much to offer and their own countries have so little. You can't blame them.

So, the laws that need to be on the books and enforced are ones that penalize with huge fines, anyone who gives illegals work. Illegals should, also, not be able to benefit from our welfare system. If we would make it unattractive for illegals to be in this country, they'll go home or go through the proper channels to become citizens. The worse thing we could do is to give them amnesty, but I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.

If our government gives the illegals amnesty, they need to enact the Fair Tax, which is a consumption tax, so everyone who makes a purchase in this country will be paying into our tax system whether they like it or not.


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 91 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I think the ley here is actually enforcing the laws.

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