When do you dream?
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
August 13, 2011 3:40am CST
I mean a lot of people, perhaps most assume they dream during their sleep, citing such evidence as REM studies but whilst these show neural activity occurs then that is not enough to show the dream actually occurs at the same time
all the best urban
4 responses
@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Aug 11
How do you know you dream when you asleep, perhaps that is not when the dream occurs
all the best urban

@francesca5 (1344)
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17 Aug 11
isn't rem supposed to be the part of the sleep cycle when we dream. i mostly remember dreams that happen just before i wake up. i have no idea how many dreams i might have the rest of the time.
funny though, sometimes i wake up in the very early morning, and then have a bit of trouble getting back to sleep, and then i sort of wake up again without realising i have been asleep, and start complaining i didn't sleep properly, and then i remember i had a dream, and so i must have gone back to sleep.
i think the fact that dreams often occur before we wake up, which is the period when we have most rem, would suggest that this is the period when we dream. though whether there is a causal link there i don't know, as it seems to be waking up after a dream that means we remember it, but how much we dream during the rest of the night i have no idea.
sometimes, urban, we do have to let scientists have their way on something. there are enough things they got wrong for us to argue over, to need to disagree when they could be right.
@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Aug 11
Of course scientists are they experts in their respective fields, so we must agree that REM sleep is associated with dreaming. But whether that is when the dream actually occurs, I mean when the narrative we call the dream occurs rather than the causative neural activity, is a philosophical activity rather than a scientific one and here scientists must let philosophers have their way
all the best urban
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@francesca5 (1344)
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17 Aug 11
i feel completely unqualified to engage in this debate, being neither a philosoper or scientist, they i do, currently, have ownership of a human body, and so am entitled to have an opinion on how it works.
its good to see a philosoper taking on science. my dreams often reveal to me, at a deeper level, what i am thinking, and they tend to be the ones i remember. therefore they must exist somewhere in my consciousness beyond just a reaction created by neural activity in my brain.
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
13 Aug 11
I do not think that dreams occur when we are in a deep sleep. I think that they occur most when we are in a light sleep. The deep rem sleep is the resting sleep and I think that is not the sleep that produces the normal dreams that most folks have. It may be the time that folks experience deep seated nightmares that are the most difficult to awaken from however. This type of nightmare I am speaking of comes from such things as long term child abuse etc.
@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Aug 11
I am happy to take any particular phase of sleep as any other, but I am questioning whether we sleep is the time when we dream?
all the best urban
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
13 Aug 11
My dear fellow, you have me guessing at exactly what you could be driving at with this one!
Perhaps you have come across a better way of measuring that a dream was actually taking place for sure? I don't think you would have posted this under such a category if that were the case, however.
Perhaps there's much more to dreaming than science can measure. Certainly one can be in certain conditions where all scientific measurements will point to a dream being carried out, but the subject is merely in a heightened state of consciousness / awareness.
I myself have had visions walking in broad daylight that were so real, yet so surreal that never in my wildest dreams would I dream I was dreaming such a dream! Has this also happened to you? And is it frequently or just once?
Could it be that our Urban has been progressing spiritually? I wonder if fasting helped in this matter or if it had anything to do with it at all?


@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Aug 11
Ok, when we sleep we experience a period of rapid eye movement, known as REM sleep for obvious reasons. These periods, we are told, are associated with dreaming. How such knowledge is obtained I know not but perhaps subjects report dreaming when awakened after such periods.
However, whilst I am happy to accept that during REM sleep neurological activity takes place that is associated with dreams and might be persuaded that such activity causes the dream still that is not enough to show that the dream actually takes place at that time.
I am wondering if it is even possible to dream whilst asleep.
All this I will make clear later but await further answers as I am interested to see if anyone has conceived of this in the same way
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Aug 11
Sadly this is not spiritual progress, as I am sure you know such progress is erratic and comes often when we least expect it, especially for a person like me that lacks self-discipline and backslides
all the best urban


Well sweetie.
I dream when i sleep,
when i'm all alone
and sometimes i sit and daydream.

