Many Healthy Beggar, Do you see them as the effortless man or lack of lucky man?
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
Indonesia
September 15, 2011 10:50pm CST
This is the exist phenomenon. The number of beggar is increase year by year. I care to the beggar and sometime I give them some cents when I pass the street. but in other hand I feel like doing wrong seeing the healthy beggar, I mean they are still young, seems very healthy and have no defact,and should have extra energy to work than asking a pity. Sometimes I see them as effortless man than lack of lucky man. Sometimes I think how hard I work to make myself survive and give cents for my brother-sister, but why are they doing?? do they lazy? I don't think they can't find a job
Now, I become so selective to give cents to beggar. I just give beggar that may really need it such as elderly woman/ man, defect man and others. In Indonesia, especially in big city, the number of beggar is very big.It should be decrease because many of them are very healthy man that able to do other job.I don't really know the situation in other country.
Share your view about this!
Now, I become so selective to give cents to beggar. I just give beggar that may really need it such as elderly woman/ man, defect man and others. In Indonesia, especially in big city, the number of beggar is very big.It should be decrease because many of them are very healthy man that able to do other job.I don't really know the situation in other country.
Share your view about this!
7 responses
@cloudflix (112)
• United States
16 Sep 11
I think that there are some of each, but I also think that there are other alternatives, and that is someone who may be able to work, but cannot find a job that they can ethically accept, or someone who is begging to humble themself.
I don't necessarily think that someone should turn to begging if they can't find a job that they can ethically accept, but I know that whenever I start a job it's only a matter of time before I can see all of the negative consequences that my employer has on either the employees, themself, the customers, and/or the world at large. As time goes on, I have tried working for more benign groups, like a non-profit homeless shelter, but sometimes those places that seem more benign are even worse than other places I've worked.
I have turned to writing online to see if I can start making enough money doing that. In addition, my boyfriend and I try our best to reduce our cost of living, by living on a boat at anchor (no rent), trying to catch or gather our own food (when we get a big enough boat, we can grow some food too), cutting our own hair instead of going to the salon/barber, using solar panels, etc. I may just have to find another job for a little bit longer (my last job was seasonal and ended a month ago), but you can bet I am going to be as selective as possible.
I think that this is a better alternative to begging (working for yourself) if you cannot find a job that you consider ethical, but I certainly don't think that most beggers are lazy, even if they are healthy. It doesn't mean that I will give them money; I rarely give out money to anyone, since I really don't have very much myself. However, I'm not going to judge their position.
Some people beg to humble themselves, as well, something that my boyfriend told me about. Many of these people are monks or other religious people, and beg for charities or their brotherhood rather than for only themself.
I don't know what the job situation is in Indonesia, you may have a healthy job market, but in the United States, there are not very many. Most of the jobs that are out there look for very specialized people to fill their position, or else they do not pay enough to make it worth it. Think about this...if someone finds that they can make enough money from begging to take care of their family and spend more time with them or get a job that pays less so that they have to be away and are too tired to spend quality time with their family when they get it, which should they choose?
And whether someone has a family or not, if begging gives them extra time and energy, they may be using that time and energy to volunteer and help people, something that they might not have had time and energy to do if they had a regular job. You have no idea what that person on the street does with the time that they are not there.
Also would like to bring up the fact that many people earn huge sums of money for being lazier than beggars......not going to point fingers at specific people, but I'm sure you can think of some.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
17 Sep 11
hi, cloudflix, welcome to mylot
I appreciate your respect opinion for the beggar and also your hardwork to feed your family.I know that it's not easy to get a worthy job, except you have high degree and bit of luck.I also work hard even sometime feel not comfort with my job now and low salary, but I try to arrange the online writer now and blogging
thanks to say that not all of beggars are lazy, but here, in my country, I see most of them as the lazy people.especially since I know that they are under certain syndicates and grop.do you know about the beggar syndicates? what do you think about them?
I appreciate your respect opinion for the beggar and also your hardwork to feed your family.I know that it's not easy to get a worthy job, except you have high degree and bit of luck.I also work hard even sometime feel not comfort with my job now and low salary, but I try to arrange the online writer now and blogging
thanks to say that not all of beggars are lazy, but here, in my country, I see most of them as the lazy people.especially since I know that they are under certain syndicates and grop.do you know about the beggar syndicates? what do you think about them?@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
19 Sep 11
alright cloud, I like your wise statement The only way to really know what someone goes through is to walk a mile in their shoes
sometimes we getting hard to understand other situation and judge book by it cover, but believe me, my heart speak louder than my logical
it's just sometime I don't really know how to handle people who is beg on the street in a long day while they have healthy and fresh body to work or doing something else.I hope they do not abuse of what wise people like you thinking about
sometimes we getting hard to understand other situation and judge book by it cover, but believe me, my heart speak louder than my logical
it's just sometime I don't really know how to handle people who is beg on the street in a long day while they have healthy and fresh body to work or doing something else.I hope they do not abuse of what wise people like you thinking about@cloudflix (112)
• United States
17 Sep 11
Thank you for the welcome. I read about the beggar syndicates in the replies to this discussion, and I really don't see it as any different from any other kind of organized group. There are lots of lazy people, with or without jobs. And the point is, how do you know how long they are out there begging or what they do with their time when they're not begging? Just because they don't have a job that makes them money doesn't mean that they do not work or that they're not looking for a job that pays money. Unless you are standing there watching them constantly, there is no way for you to know how long they're out there.
Think about this...if they do have a syndicate, it implies some sort of community and sharing. If there are 10 people begging in different places for 2 hours, then they share what they have received, and maybe spend the rest of the day learning or teaching, volunteering, or doing other productive things that cannot be measured and tallied by monetary earnings. I'm not saying that this is what happens, but it is a possibility.
In addition, many people think nothing of giving money to an organized non-profit charity, but many of these organizations spend more money paying salaries for administrators than paying salaries for people who are actually doing the work to help their clients or buying supplies to help their clients. In fact, much of the money goes to pay the salaries of the people who are raising the funds in the first place. Sometimes the non-profit's mission doesn't even end up being fulfilled, and it might as well have been a beggar's syndicate to beging with.
I'm not saying that one shouldn't give money to charities or that they should give money to beggars. Personally, I don't normally give money to either one, but I'd be more likely to help a person or organization that I can tangibly reach, more likely with information or physical effort than with money, than some far off charity that sends a postcard in the mail or has a commercial on tv.
You may see most of them as lazy people, but that is probably because you have never talked to them or have any information other than seeing them on the street and seeing that they are asking for money. In other words, you are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean that you are right. The only way to really know what someone goes through is to walk a mile in their shoes, pardon the cliche.

@jodylee (946)
• United States
17 Sep 11
I have given to beggers but it is rare for me to do so. I live in a place where there are not a lot of them and if I am in a city were they are I actually tend to give them a job application that I pick up...
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Give a man a fish and he will be full, teach a man to fish and he will be full for life.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
17 Sep 11
where do you live, jody?? In my country, when the police doing inspection to sweep the beggar along street, they take the beggar and educate them to be able to work and stop to be the beggar. but after the education time is over, they keep coming back to be the beggar and beg along way.it happen many time and the number of beggar in indonesia is in very big number and have been a serious problem here...
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
16 Sep 11
Well there are people that are really lazy. Despite the fact that they are healthy and are even big in built, makes a living begging for money. I see them in our place to and for me they are not worth my penny. I usually do not give it to this kind of people. As you have said, we worked hard for our money and I guess giving these kind of people is definitely not worth it. But I also take pity on those who are really not capable of working. People with disability and cannot work anymore and are on the streets begging for money. Sad to note that our government cannot accommodate or provide support to all of them. This is the reason why, I give them some if in case I meet them along the way.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
17 Sep 11
that's it... I agre with you. now it's all up to us. Be selective to give penny to beggar.it's for their goodness.if we keep giving the healthy beggar, they will be beggar for whole of their life and don't think to have a better job. beside giving penny, would you interest to give stuff or other stuff to the real beggar?
@SIMPLYD (90717)
• Philippines
16 Sep 11
Like you, i only give alms to beggars that i see as old or incapacitated. To children, i don't give because it would encourage them more to beg.
As for healthy looking beggars, they are just lazy people. Other poor people are doing all they can, like buying bottles, cans and the like or working odd jobs such as cleaning sewerage etc. , so why can't they?
These kind of beggars are shameless, lazy people.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
16 Sep 11
giving cents to children is kind of dilemma. sometime feel like so pity seeing their innocent face beg along the street, but in other hand, just what you said, it will encourage them to be beggar for the whole life.do you feel pity when see the child beggar or you always ignore them in order wishing they change their life?
I agree that healthy looking beggar is lazy people.many poor people fight their life by doing anything to feed their family such as selling bottles, old newspaper, and others, but then we found some younger just begging and begging.how could them!!
I agree that healthy looking beggar is lazy people.many poor people fight their life by doing anything to feed their family such as selling bottles, old newspaper, and others, but then we found some younger just begging and begging.how could them!! @bessyjanmayi (278)
• Philippines
16 Sep 11
There are countries in Asia who considered it as a profession. Sometimes they not accept just a cents because they really consider it as a profession. Yes, you are right there are lot of healthy beggars on the street. I don't really know their motives but probably because they want to earn money in just an easy way. I know it's gonna be so hard to find a Job if you are not able to finished college, or even also if you a have a degree, It's still so hard to find a Job.
Well, just be selective on giving money to the beggars. It is good to give, yet we allowed those healthy beggars to be irresponsible and become lazy. They need to learn the value of hard work. It is sweet to have something, or eat something if it gotten by your own sweats of hard work.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
17 Sep 11
hi, bessy, I hear many times about syndicates of beggar which manage how to earn from begging. it's really sad fact that some people steal the chance to asking a pity to earn cash, while in other hand they have extra energy to do more. if we keep giving them cash they will think that they can easily get cash with extra effort, so they will proud of their proffession that not worthy at all. I agree with you, we'll be proud if have something that we get by our hard work.the healthy beggar should change their mind
@shanemae (1025)
• Philippines
16 Sep 11
begging is also rampant here in our country.In children and adult alike. let me share to you that we have a group of people here whose traditions include begging. begging as a means of their living. they do have houses in far places but they come to the city to do their job and that is to beg. i do not know where they come from. some people say they live in boats some says they have this village. have you seen beggars carrying their child on their hips? when i was still a child i came across with these kind of people worst is that they make use of their children to get the passengers attention and sympathy. i can still remember i was riding a big boat with my family i went out of the cabin and i saw a small boat near our boat. i think they are family. the female was shouting words i did not understand then people in the boat were throwing coins to the water while the small children dive to get the coin. when i first saw it i was like astonished how they are good at diving for i think 4 to 5 years old! very young and i was like 10 then. i can't even swim deep depths. i asked my mother about it and she said they have been trained when they were still babies because when they reach some ages they will live in that way, work that way and that is to beg. i feel sad for them they really look healthy but sad because they have to earn that way. i see also beggars near our churches they are really disabled like one foot is amputated or twisted bones untreated they look really pathetic and those kind of beggars i would give them coins. these are the unlucky man but i don't buy that idea because they are still surviving. God has still plans for them could be an instrument to other peoples lives.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
16 Sep 11
the beggar who you said first, I find it a lot when I take a ship.ou're right that most of them are child age but so expert to swim and dive.it's like they live to learn and earn that way.it's like their culture, but of course it's a sad fact to keep that beg culture exist longer.can they have welfare life for doing such as thing? don't they think about their future?
since many fake beggar ,we should be more selective to give cents.it's not mean we're not like to share some penny, it just way to make them spoil and think being the beggar is enough while they could doing something else.I agree to give defact man that may lost their leg or hands, but for healthy young man, I think twice...
since many fake beggar ,we should be more selective to give cents.it's not mean we're not like to share some penny, it just way to make them spoil and think being the beggar is enough while they could doing something else.I agree to give defact man that may lost their leg or hands, but for healthy young man, I think twice... @haopee (493)
• Philippines
16 Sep 11
Begging has been considered an occupation for sometime now. Some actually earn more than we do and that's not a surprise. A friend of mine told me how one of the beggars he saw in the street was his neighbor. They both live in a poor community and this beggar brings more food whenever she comes home.
Sometimes he can't help but feel pity at old beggars but realize how blind he was as he caught one old lady gambling with the money she was begging for. Some beggars are handled by syndicates and this is what makes the occupation bad.
Others are genuinely begging because they are incapable. As for those in the streets, I prefer giving them food than money.
@redvakaurvaki (4217)
• Indonesia
16 Sep 11
I hear about that syndicates, haopee. and when I hear that, my view to the beggar changed, I almost judge them as people who take advantages from other, even then I believe that not all of them, may be just some, but in big number
I agree with you that we should give them food or other stuff than money.but mostly I find them on the street and I see that they expect money than other stuff.
I agree with you that we should give them food or other stuff than money.but mostly I find them on the street and I see that they expect money than other stuff.






