end time prophesy
joshua and the land of canaan
preterism
the truth of scripture
titus and jerusalem
yahvah
Discussions with a non-preterist.
By Cody Stewart
@CODYMAC (1356)
San Diego, California
May 12, 2012 7:41pm CST
Hello, everyone. It has been a while since I last posted something about religion. Well, I am back, because I recently had a discussion about end times, and prophesy, and the second coming with a man who is not a preteist.
For all of you who may not know what preterism is, I will get into this here. It is the belief that all of the prophesies of the new testament have been fulfilled. I placed a video of what I believe on FB, and it may not be the best quality, but I put it up none-the-less.
So, this guy wanted to try and convert me "back" to Christianity, due to my "false beliefs" about end times. I told him to read the book of Josephus and tell me what the Jewish writer had to say. He told me, without even reading the book, that anything coming from a Jewish person back in the first century had to be biased. I asked him if he had ever read it, and he said no.
I just simply told him that it is hard to make a cake without instructions, just like it is hard to understand history when you have never read a book about it. Regardless of how biased the people were who wrote it, the events still took place, and they are provable. Plus, it is a part of history that no one can disprove. Not only from the writing of a Jewish man, but also the Romans.
They made a record of all of their doings as well. But then I said, yes, Josephus may have defected to the Romans, but even the Jews kept record of what happened in those three years.
I told him that Moses was the leader of the children of Israel from before the exodus until he died. I also told him that I can prove that YAHVAH works in cycles, and from the time of the passover until Joshua entered the land of promise, was exactly 40 years.
I said that its fulfillment, was from the time Yashua was killed as the passover, until the time Titus entered Jerusalem, was the same 40 year time span. Also, the same events too place as they wandered in the wilderness, to when the disciples wandered in the world.
Just look at them side by side, and you will see that Yashua's second coming was in 68 A.D. He said many things in both Matthew 23-25, and Luke 17-21, that 68 A.D. can be the proven "end of the age".
I feel like I am opening a can of worms with this subject, but I feel the need to get it out there. I just go to scripture. "If any of you lack wisdom..." Is all I remember, and hope others will too.
3 responses
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
13 May 12
If A.D. 68 was the second coming of Yashua, wouldn't that mean that His 1000 year reign on earth would have ended in A.D. 1068, and that after that Satan would have been tossed into the bottomless pit? If that happened, who is it that is continuing to tempt us to sin?
One of the end time prophecies is about the people of Israel returning to the Promised Land from throughout the world and becoming a nation again. That happened May 14, 1948 when the United Nations officially recognized Israel as a sovereign nation.
www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/Articles/1948PropheciesFulfilled.htm
If any of you lack wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. - James 1:5
Jesus' second coming could not have been in A.D. 68.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
16 May 12
I don't know how your response addresses my comments.
Before Jesus' second coming, Israel was going to be dispersed throughout the world and later return to the land, and become a nation again in the matter of one day. That happened in 1948 and not before. Therefore, your theory cannot be correct. There's also the issue of a one world government, the false prophet, and the two witnesses, to name a few of the events that have to happen before Jesus' second coming.
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@CODYMAC (1356)
• San Diego, California
19 May 12
Israel, came back to the land before Yashua was born. All of the prophesies were fulfilled for them to come back so that Yashua could teach them. And he did. The proof is in the Net Testament.
"So he came to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacobs well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from journey, sat thus by the well." John 4:5
"And Jacob said to Joseph, My GOD appeared to me at Luz, in the land of Canaan and blessed me, and said to me, 'Behold, I will increase you and multiply you and I will make of you a gathering of nations, and give this land to your seed after you as an everlasting possession.' Now therefore, your two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine, as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine."
"Then he blessed them and said...'Bless these lads, let my name be named upon them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac. And let them grow into a great multitude in the midst of the earth. "
Jacobs name was changed to Israel. Now these two lads had the name of Israel. It just so happened that the 10 northern tribes were called Israel, and the 2 southern tribes were called Judah.
Where is Jacobs well? In Sameria, which is where the kings of the north were. This is proof that they had come back to this place or the woman at the well would not have said, "...are you greater than our father Jacob who gave us the well, and drank from it himself..." John 4:12
Remember that his name Israel, was placed on the heads of his two "new" sons, Ephraim, and Manasseh. Israel was the name of the northern tribes as was stated before.
This 1948 reentering the land has another prophetic meaning but not what you have described. It is to signify that only 120 years remain in earths history. I hope that this helped clear up some things for you?
Plus, remember what James states in his greeting. "...to the twelve tribes scattered abroad, Greetings..." Later he reminds them that they heard the gospel, they warred among themselves, and they always thought about how they were going to do this or that, when they didnt know what tomorrow would bring.
Jesus, and the apostles knew where they where, and the gospel was preached to them. Well, I hope you have a great day. 
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
14 May 12
I do not know where from where you came with this , what I know and I believe that there are signs of the hour check it out a lot and some of them remained , including the second coming of Christ, but the other signs have not been achieved yet , so : where you came to this speech? If the returned Christ and after the elimination of Antichrist , people will live in peace and the good of many , where the blessing in everything , then show the rest of the signs , and resurrection of human beings .
Did people lived in peace in previous centuries ?are blessing replaced them good .. And how Jesus came and left without being felt by one ? I know that Christ will not live long on the ground if returned .
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@CODYMAC (1356)
• San Diego, California
19 May 12
Hello, I am a little late responding to this because I have been busy. Please forgive me.
Well, yes, they did. The Eastern Orthodox church had peace in their realm for 1000 years. This was following the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus in 68 A.D. Not too many people know the history of the Eastern church. They only know the story of the Western church, also known as the Roman Catholic church.
I suggest you do a study of the Eastern church, Constantinople, and what took place just after the Romans came in to Jerusalem. Also what took place before.
Have a great day.
@CODYMAC (1356)
• San Diego, California
25 May 12
Sorry guys I thouhg tI would have time to respond to these the other day...
What I was trying to say about his return in 68 A.D. was that his would be in teh form of Titus. He was foretold by Yashua in 29 A.D. to come and destroy the city and punish those people who did not believe in the gospel.
It is not impossible for him to return in 68. GOD said before in the past, "Let us, go down" He foretold that Nebechadnezzar, would fulfill all what he spoke about him.
It is a cycle and a pattern that people need to learn. If they do not understand that YAHVAH works in cycles in time, then they will never understand that the "same" event had to take place again.
The people disobeyed, the wrath came. Not only in the same way, but on the EXACT same day!!! the 9th of AV. That in itself should say something.
@iuliuxd : Yes, but remember what Yashua said, "the kingdom of heaven is within you..." and the eastern orthodox had the correct truth, until the church took over. Like always happens. They had the correct Old testament with the correct rendering of Psalm 40. "...a body you have prepared for me..."
Which was rejected by the masorites. Because we as christians understand who had to have a body for sacrifice. Hebrews 10.
Just believe me when he said, "..I will be with you until the end of the AGE..." The Jewish age ended 68A.D. when the temple was destroyed, and the law had vanished away bringing in the new law, of Love.
What I was trying to say about his return in 68 A.D. was that his would be in teh form of Titus. He was foretold by Yashua in 29 A.D. to come and destroy the city and punish those people who did not believe in the gospel.
It is not impossible for him to return in 68. GOD said before in the past, "Let us, go down" He foretold that Nebechadnezzar, would fulfill all what he spoke about him.
It is a cycle and a pattern that people need to learn. If they do not understand that YAHVAH works in cycles in time, then they will never understand that the "same" event had to take place again.
The people disobeyed, the wrath came. Not only in the same way, but on the EXACT same day!!! the 9th of AV. That in itself should say something.
@iuliuxd : Yes, but remember what Yashua said, "the kingdom of heaven is within you..." and the eastern orthodox had the correct truth, until the church took over. Like always happens. They had the correct Old testament with the correct rendering of Psalm 40. "...a body you have prepared for me..."
Which was rejected by the masorites. Because we as christians understand who had to have a body for sacrifice. Hebrews 10.
Just believe me when he said, "..I will be with you until the end of the AGE..." The Jewish age ended 68A.D. when the temple was destroyed, and the law had vanished away bringing in the new law, of Love.
@redhotpogo (4398)
• United States
28 May 12
I'm a bit confused. You're using a book that was describing a future event, which was written in the past for your evidence of that event having already occurred?
It's kind of like saying "Aha! Matthew said this was going to happen so it has already happened."
Or am I misunderstanding you? Maybe try to simplify it for me. I admit I am not the most intelligent person.
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@CODYMAC (1356)
• San Diego, California
29 May 12
Hehe, you almost confused me too...
. So, It was a book that was written before the fall of Jerusalem. It was describing things that would take place in their future, 68 A.D.
The event had not happened yet to them. It has happened for us. It is not too confusing if you see it like this. The book was written before the events took place, so they were told to wait for it. When it took place, in 68 A.D. they new it was about to take place because there would be signs.
Those signs were the Roman army coming, then for no reason leaving, all of the believers left, and then Titus came to destroy it. The believers were safe, and we are believing it now because they believed the words Yashua said.
. So, It was a book that was written before the fall of Jerusalem. It was describing things that would take place in their future, 68 A.D.
The event had not happened yet to them. It has happened for us. It is not too confusing if you see it like this. The book was written before the events took place, so they were told to wait for it. When it took place, in 68 A.D. they new it was about to take place because there would be signs.
Those signs were the Roman army coming, then for no reason leaving, all of the believers left, and then Titus came to destroy it. The believers were safe, and we are believing it now because they believed the words Yashua said.