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myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229) 6 years ago

The scandal was widely commented on here in Portugal. The majority of my friends and most of the people that asked me about it thought it was just something that happened to every political leader. I disagreed and was literally laughed at. Here is my view. I could care less about his actions. What he does, or tries to on the sly is no business of mine. I think he was stupid but that's another story. I deeply feel that Bill Clinton should have paid for his crime of perjury. The President is first a US citizen and secondly the President....he is not above the law just anyone else. Therefore, I feel that he should have resigned, or not doing that, be tried and if found guilty of perjury, be sent to prison for the crime.
The European view is that Americans are too puritanical. They just don't seem to get the point. My reasoning is not based on the act itself but rather on the fact that he lied under oath to the American people. Richard Nixon lied to them too and didn't get away with it. He resigned with dignity and was later pardoned by President Ford and the matter was closed. It gripes the hell out of me that Bill Clinton got off scott free. He is a criminal and should pay for what he did. PS: I am a Republican but if the same had been true of a Republican President my thoughts would be exactly the same.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 81/100. rainyl (425)   6 years ago

Ur right about if he did the crime then he shoudl be charged with it.
However I see it this way, what they did was a private matter and I could careless who he slept with or who he did not sleep with....not my problem when it comes to personal issues on that topic.
He should of never lied true however reproters should learn how to really report on REAL NEWS instead of reporting on news about who slept with who and who had such and such with who, to me that is not news.
It just brings back the question once again about News Reporters when do they know to stop and not to cross the line...


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

That is very true.....I think that some reporters take "Freedom of Speech" beyond its limits. Many (not all thank goodness) lack tact, privacy, and respect. But on the other hand you cannot fault them because that's what the American people want. Why is The Inquirer" one of the most read newspapers in the United States. People want to know the worst about people not the best. Good response...you get a big



Marshell (48)  6 years ago

I do not care about Clinton;it is between him and his wife. I do though have a comment about what we Americans want: MOST (not me) Want to be entertained! No one really cares what the truth is, all they want is something to think about at work, talk about-at the corner bar, or argue about with there buddies.Look at all the crap on television; those soap operas!With all that is wrong in this world; not just this country, you would think people would want the truth. Go to a restaurant, start a conversation about politics. Most say there piece and change the subject. Start a conversation about what happened to Doc on Days and everyone joins in!


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

Wow, that's telling 'em Marshall. Maybe that's why a lot of foreigners don't like us. Some have told me that we have no culture. By your description they (the foreigners) are absolutely right. Thanks for dropping by..always appreciate your input.

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2. myLot reputation of 83/100. sirensanssmile (2784)   6 years ago

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myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

I couldn't agree with you more the press blew it up and the news reached beyond the US boundaries and Americans were labeled puritans. The fact that he lied under oath is a crime for every US citizen including the President. He is not above the law. He should at least have been tried and convicted. His sentence would depend on the sitting judge. For any other American lying under oath would have been tried. As I said the President is not above the law. He does not have immunity. Any crime the president commits is subject to the same procedures as any other American citizen. Thanks for dropping by and sharing your views.


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

Am checking my discussions to select Best Response and reread this one. Do you think that any President is above the law? Do you think that if you lied under oath to a Grand Jury that your apology would warrant you being "pardoned" for committing a crime? You wouldn't get away with it so why should a president, who is a citizen first and a president second. No president is immune from justice being served under the laws of the land.


myLot reputation of 89/100. cremechese (4490)  6 years ago

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myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

There have been three that I know of this century....FDR, Kennedy and Clinton. At least the first two were discreet. Add to this the fact that it was known but there was never a big stink about it either by the press nor the public. It was discussed but never blown out of proportion. I think that most people know that Jackie was offered a million dollars by Daddy Joe to stay married. But again no one made a big to do about that either. Do you think it's odd that they are all Democrats? Thanks for dropping by.

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. suscan (1699)   6 years ago

I am a Republican,too but I agree it doesnt matter what party you are if you lied and comitted perjury you should be punished for it. After the vote at theat time, people were surveyed outside the polls. Many people said tehy believed he lied but they still voted for him. That makes me sad. It is not what he did,I think you are right that is a personal matter,but He lied


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

Thanks for that suscan. That's what I don't get about the American voter. People knew he lied but voted for him anyway. I think it was one time that the media turned down the volume on the fact that he committed perjury and that he should have been tried. I wonder why that was?


myLot reputation of 83/100. jimbo45 (9380)  6 years ago

i cant imagine that margaret thatcher would ever have had any contact like that at all,unless it was with metal mickey.iron lady and all that


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

Don't count on it Jimbo....one never knows what one will do when "push comes to shove".

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4. myLot reputation of 67/100. kerbausama (758)   6 years ago

thats ashame for the leader.he should realize its foul and apologize to others.





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myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

He did apologize in a muddled sort of way. Evidently his idea of a sexual act was not in agreement with others. It was a shame and it was too bad that it had to come out. However, I have to take my hat off to Monica....it took her a long time to come out with the truth. She did her best to protect the president but unfortunatly followed the bad advice of her friend. She was not tried for perjury, although she too lied under oath, because she made an agreement to testify as long as she didn't have to be tried for perjury.

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5. myLot reputation of 89/100. minerc (818)   6 years ago

I do agree with you, he split hairs and that is why he got away with it. My kid's do it all the time with me, I have taught them any attempt to decieve is a lie, unfortunately he didnt know that. I personally would of never allowed him to be president, and his wife sure won't have my vote in 2008.


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

He really is a con man....no bout a doubt it. As for Hillary I hope the American people know that her part in the White Water Project went far deeper than his. She, according to clinton himself, is much more intelligent than he is. I don't think that he even had a clue as to what was going on in that real estate deal. I wonder how many women will be voting for Hillary because of her abilities rather than in her effort to make history by becoming the first female president. I think the latter is what is more important to her. God help the American people if she gets the nomination.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. ossie16d (6321)   6 years ago

I am not an American, so possibly should not be commenting on this one at all but feel compelled to do so, because in fact it could happen to any leader in any country.

(1) Bill Clinton was wrong to have a "relationship" with anyone because he was and is a married man. If he wanted to wander off, then he should not be married and I don't care who the person is.

(2) He lied and that is not acceptable, again regardless of who the person is, it is not acceptable to lie and more so when it compounds a serious situation.

(3) Monica Lewinsky was a total and complete dolt for getting involved with him in the first place. Then to keep the dress does not sound like someone who has all her marbles in the right places. Then to tell her so called friend all the details is pretty rotten and if a man had talked in that manner, he would have been roundly criticised.

(4) The media have a lot to answer for here in that they continually harped on about the matter. I mean to say, since when has someone been having an affair the most important news story, yet this one headlined for weeks it seemed. No matter what paper or magazine you picked up or saw, there was the same tired old story.

(5) Bill Clinton was not the first President, or head of state, to committ such an act but today the media is more active and report every single thing. Also with the speed with which things can be sent around the world, the news travels much faster.

(6) I repeat that the man lied and as far as I am concerned that is just as big a sin as the fact that he was involved with some woman, apart from his wife that is.

From there it is up to the American people in how they deal with this matter but nobody should be above the law, regardless of the moral issue surrounding the lying.


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

That is the whole nine yards in a nutshell. Very well put. Adultry is not against the law of the land but it is indeed frowned upon in most countries throughout the world. I think it is sad that the eight years in spent in the White House would be wrapped up in one (?) stupid act that he committed in, of all places, the Oval Office. How can anyone hold such a president (whoever he/she may be) in high esteem. He made the biggest headlines, as you said, for the wrong reason and people, being who they are, gobble it up, spit it out, and then vote again....also a sad indication of the short memories of Americans. I believe in forgive and forget but there are, and almost always must be, limits. Thanks for your comments as a non-American. It seems that you were not taken in by the press. Always nice to see you.


myLot reputation of 98/100. ossie16d (6321)  6 years ago

Thank you for giving me best response for this discussion gifana. :)


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  6 years ago

No problem. You faced the issues and stated your opinion which was logical and clear.

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7. myLot reputation of 95/100. estherlou (3836)   5 years ago

You talked about a couple of sides to Bill Clinton and I'm not sure which you were wanting an answer to. I feel he had no business messing around in the White House. I don't feel it is right to mess around when you are married, but as the president, I feel everything he does should be of a good example. He has a responsibility to protect the office of Presidency. And I totally agree with you...he should not have gotten off when he was impeached and lying to the American people is just wrong when you are their leader. He lied about so many things, it is amazing he was so popular. The thought that he might be in the White House again if Hillary becomes president is downright scary.


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  5 years ago

Hi estherlou...nice to see you. Yes I quite agree with you. Both issues are of importance. Of course, we can't put all (only 99%) of the blame on him. It is true that the public should have been told but the way the media handled it was more "sensational" that factual. Why the media didn't put more emphasis on his perjury and demand his being tried (after he left office at least) is something I will never understand. I hate to so adament in my comments about one of my presidents but I feel that the people must understand that no president is above the law of the land. I too pray that Hilliary doesn't make it. As far as I am concerned she is more astute at conning people than her husband. I still don't understand why more wasn't done about the White Water Scandal...she was certainly the brains behind that scheme I'm sure. As Bill once said, Hillary is more intelligent that I am." And who am I to doubt the word of a president?....lol

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8. myLot reputation of 54/100. vikceo (1167)   5 years ago

well this is a very common thing in the life of popular people weather it is bill or any other politician singer, actor etc etc. i don't really feel to give a thought to this kind of things in life.


myLot reputation of 92/100. gifana (2229)  5 years ago

In general I quite agree with you. I hate gossip and inuendos. But the issue here is the fact that a president of the United States liked under oath and should be held accountable before the people of the United States. Any US president is not above the law. Thank you for dropping by and for your input.

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