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myLot reputation of 88/100. lilttownmommie (891) 6 years ago

What do you think about the "new" lower stress basic training?
FORT LEONARD WOOD, Mo. -- New recruits used to be welcomed to boot camp here with the "shark attack." For decades, drill sergeants in wide-brim hats would swarm around the fresh-off-the-bus privates, shouting orders. Some rattled recruits would make mistakes. A few would cry.
Today, the Army is opting for a quieter approach. "I told my drill sergeants to stop the nonsense, " says Col. Edward Daly, whose basic-training brigade graduates about 11, 000 soldiers a year. Last fall, Col. Daly began meeting with all new recruits shortly after they arrive at boot camp to thank them. "We sincerely appreciate the fact that you swore an oath and got on a bus and did it in a time of war, " he recently told an incoming class. "That's a big, big deal." He usually is accompanied by two male and two female soldiers, who can answer questions the recruits may have.
"The idea is to get rid of the anxiety and worry, " Col. Daly says.
The new welcome is a window on the big changes sweeping boot camp, the Army's nine-week basic training. For most of its existence, boot camp was a place where drill sergeants would weed out the weak and turn psychologically soft civilians into hardened soldiers. But the Army, fighting through one of its biggest recruiting droughts, now is shifting tactics. Boot camp -- that iconic American experience -- may never be the same.
Once-feared drill sergeants have been ordered to yell less and mentor more. "Before, our drill sergeants' attitude was `you better meet my standard or else.' Now it's `I am going to do all I can to assist you in meeting the Army standard, '" says Command Sgt. Maj. William McDaniel, the senior enlisted soldier here.
New privates are getting more sleep and personal time. Even the way soldiers eat has changed. Drill sergeants long ordered overweight soldiers to stay away from soda and desserts. Today, soldiers at Fort Leonard Wood fill out a survey about their boot-camp experience that asks, among other questions, if they liked the food, whether they were "allowed to eat everything on the menu, including dessert, " and whether there was enough for seconds.
Recruits still must meet the same basic standards and pass the same tests for physical fitness and marksmanship to graduate, say Army officials. But more variable criteria that in the past might get a recruit expelled -- such as whether a drill sergeant thinks a recruit has the discipline and moral values to be a soldier -- have been jettisoned. "Now it doesn't matter what the drill sergeant thinks. We work off of the written standard, " says Capt. Christopher Meng, who oversees a company of 11 drill sergeants and about 200 recruits at the base.
The new approach is helping the Army graduate more of its recruits. Last month, only 23 recruits failed to make the cut at Fort Leonard Wood's largest basic-training brigade, compared with 183 in January 2004. Army-wide, about 11% of recruits currently flunk out in their first six months of training, down from 18% last May.
Senior Army officials say attrition has fallen because the new techniques are helping more soldiers reach their full potential. "This generation responds to a more positive leadership approach. They want to serve and they want people to show respect for that decision, " says Maj. Gen. Randal Castro, the commanding general at Fort Leonard Wood. Smarter training also is preventing injuries, Army doctors say.
Some drill sergeants worry that the "kinder and gentler approach" -- as drill sergeants have dubbed the changes -- is producing softer soldiers. "If the privates can't handle the stress of a drill sergeant yelling at them, how will they handle the stress of bullets flying over their head?" asked Staff Sgt. Clayton Nagel as he watched his recruits file past him in the Fort Leonard Wood dining hall. "War is stressful. I think we overcorrected."The Army's decision to overhaul basic training came last spring. The service was having a hard time bringing in new recruits. It ultimately missed its 2005 recruiting goals for active-duty troops by 7, 000 soldiers, or 8%, and National Guard soldiers by 13, 000 or 20%.
Meanwhile, boot-camp attrition was climbing. New soldiers brought in to replace those who were tossed out weren't much better. "We realized that the further you go into the barrel, the lower the quality, " says Col. Kevin Shwedo, a senior officer in the Army's Training and Doctrine Command in Virginia.
A team of 20 officers from the Army's training command was formed to figure out how the service could help more soldiers survive the first six months. They consulted sociologists and psychiatrists and even flew in MTV's senior vice president of strategy and planning, in search of fresh ideas for motivating today's youth.
The changes, put in place this fall at all five of the Army's basic-training camps, are apparent the moment recruits step off the bus at Fort Leonard Wood. On a chilly Tuesday in January, about 200 new recruits in white Army sweat suits filed into a big auditorium on the base for one of Col. Daly's welcome-to-the-Army talks. Staff Sgt. Mike Gilmore grabbed a microphone and told the recruits what was going to happen: "The brigade commander is going to talk to you. He is a colonel. He is way up here. You are way down here, " Sgt. Gilmore explained.
He then coached the recruits on how to spring to attention when Col. Daly entered the room. "When I say `attention, ' you stand up. That's it. You don't say nothing. You do it quietly as possible.""Attention!" Sgt. Gilmore ordered. The recruits rose slowly and unevenly.
"Could we all just stand up together?" Sgt. Gilmore said, sounding more let down than angry. "It would look so much nicer."A few minutes later, Col. Daly, a Special Forces soldier who served in Afghanistan and was awarded a Purple Heart after being wounded in the U.S. invasion of Panama, strode into the room. He told the recruits to take a deep breath and a swig from their canteens. "There is no problem that you might have that in last 230 years the Army hasn't already heard, " he said.
The recruits then got 40 minutes to fire questions at the four privates accompanying Col. Daly. One recruit asked if any of the privates had failed the Army's physical-fitness test. (Two struggled with it, but eventually passed). Others wanted to know how often they got to talk on the phone (once a week), how long they got for showers (five minutes) and how many hours of sleep they got a night (8 hours). A few asked if they had any regrets about enlisting. All four said no.
After the session, Pvt. Angela Holmquest, one of the privates brought in to answer questions, said she worried that basic training had become too easy. "The drill sergeants tell us we are in the low-stress Army. I'd rather be in the old Army. When we need to lock it up and work together as a team we can. But we should be more disciplined than we are, " she said.
In recent months, the Army has told drill sergeants to back off the recruits in the dining halls as well. A few months ago, sergeants would hover over new recruits, rushing them through meals, quizzing them about Army regulations and chastising them for minor infractions like carrying their drinking glass with one hand instead of two.
The dining hall still is far from relaxing. But drill sergeants no longer shout at recruits. They aren't allowed to order overweight privates to skip dessert. At first, some drill sergeants refused to embrace the new directive. "There was a lot of balking on the dessert rule, " says Capt. Meng, who oversees 11 drill sergeants. "I have had to say, `Don't even mention it.'"The Army also has cut the amount of running troops do in boot camp by more than 60% in the past three years. "A lot of these kids have never done P.E. or sports. We were injuring too many by running too much, " says Col. Greg Jolissaint, an Army physician with the command that sets baseline standards for boot camp.
Instead of running, privates do more calisthenics and stretching. They also are spending more time learning the basic combat tasks they will need in Iraq or Afghanistan, such as how to spot a roadside bomb. Last month, Sgt. First Class Kevin Staddie, who spent a year in Iraq, was teaching soldiers how to move through a city under enemy fire. Suddenly he called a halt to the exercise. A private who was slithering on his belly lost his only canteen. Sgt. Staddie asked the private if he knew the temperature in Baghdad in August.
"It is 115 degrees, " the sergeant said in an even voice. "Will you give me a solemn promise that you'll do a better job securing your canteen? You'll get a whole lot further."The private nodded and rushed to continue the exercise.
Soldiers also get a few more chances to succeed, say drill sergeants. Not long after she arrived at boot camp, Pvt. Starr Mosley was accused by another soldier of writing letters home when she was supposed to be training. Her drill sergeant ordered the 18-year-old private to crawl on her belly through the barracks and chant: "I will not write letters in the war room."Pvt. Mosley, who said she wasn't writing letters, refused. The Army offered her a fresh start in a new platoon. There she struggled to meet the service's marksmanship standards, her drill sergeant says. Sgt. Darren Baker, her new drill sergeant, spent hours coaching her. "Without him I would have quit, " Pvt. Mosley says. "He was down there in the dirt helping me."A year ago, a drill sergeant wouldn't have taken as much time working with one struggling soldier. Today it is part of the job. "We're all working more one-on-one with the privates, " Sgt. Baker says.
Soldiers with certain medical conditions get more help as well. Recruits with mild asthma now are allowed to carry inhalers with them. Privates who come to the Army with a history of mild depression now can take Paxil or Zoloft. Both changes, pushed through last fall, ar


actual photo from iraq, should bct be easier?
 

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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. armywifey (738)   6 years ago

I think it is ridiculas that they are softening up on the soldiers in basic training. Most people I know have said that the basic traiing of the past is what made them Men, now they are treating them like sissy pansies. These men and women have to be hard to do what they do and to see what they see.


myLot reputation of 88/100. lilttownmommie (891)  6 years ago

i agree

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2. myLot reputation of 55/100. sndcain (3075)   6 years ago

This is ridiculous. It's the friggin ARMY...it's SUPPOSED to be tough. What the hell kind of damage are we doing to our men and women? Because the enemy certainly won't be "mentoring" our soldiers.

This is a bad, bad idea.

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3. marinejunkie (15)   6 years ago

First of all, I am stationed in Iraq. This weak approach to training is what is getting young men killed over here. They want their "soda and ice cream" so band that they forget that there are those around us waiting to kill us. It is disgusting to hear the comments like "will you give me a solumn promise that you'll do a better job securing your canteen, you'll get alot furthur" and mention that a drill instructor said that. I am a Marine, we would never in a million years treat our recruits this way. It is a disservice to them and will eventually get them killed. I am not on a "cushy" base where we are afforded the luxuary of being "soft"! We fight daily, with rockets and bombs blasing all around. Someone should really smack some sense into the idiot who thought this was the right thing to do. We have about thirty soldiers from the army here. Just to help you see the big picture- we have to train them for combat, maintain security for their convoys, and show them the right way to handle weapons. This is a basically trained soldier? They would all be dead if we were not here to help them. We are on a forward operating base where all the fighting takes place. Never have I seen a more retarded way of thinking than this. Good to go army- way to set your troops up for failure! Ten years ago when i joined the Marines, it was still ok for a drill instructor to "physically" counsel you. Now, I hear the army has a stress card that if displayed to the drill instructor- they must be left alone for 24 hours. What the *(*! are they thinking? Are these new guys going to hold up a stress card to some insurgent when they are stairing down the barrel of an AK47? God help them all, and make me more patient for stupid people with stupid decisions like this one!


myLot reputation of 55/100. sndcain (3075)  6 years ago

God bless the Marines. You guys rock. Stay safe over there...


myLot reputation of 88/100. lilttownmommie (891)  6 years ago

I agree, things should definately be like they were, not soft, when I was in basic just last year we still got shark attacked when we got off of the cattle truck, when we left the reception barraks, and as soon as we got to Ft Leonardwood we had a drill get on the buss and start sceaming at us to get off the bus, tuck in our shirts, dont put a back pack on your back, ect. I feel for the families of these people, they are going to die

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