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myLot reputation of 71/100. ready2earn (220)   ranked 36 out of 739 in science3 years ago

Hey all,
Yesterday I was in the process of setting up a TV in my room. During this I noticed an interesting phenomenon. After plugging in my TV to the power supply and plugging the Antenna into the TV socket. (My Antenna is an amplified one so it was also plugged into a power supply and turned on at the time)

I began moving the Antenna around to find the best position for it.

During this time the TV and Antenna were both switched on.

As I was doing this I noticed that if the antenna cable (not the power supply to the antenna but the actual coaxial cable – or whatever its called) went near the front of my TV’s screen I would hear an obvious “sparking sound” and near the area the antenna cable was touching the TV would turn distorted and bluish. (Similar to when you put a magnet near the TV)

Does anyone know why this might happen? I have taken a wild guess and assumed it had something to do with the cable - despite not being the power supply - still having some electric current running through it creating a magnetic field of some sort.

 
 
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tags:  tvs, antennas and strange things, amateur radio, coaxial cable
 
1. useradd (31)   ranked 74 out of 739 in science   3 years ago

Well, your assumption turned out to be correct. Welcome to the world of magnetic induction. An antenna is a device that captures EM waves, and in turn induces an AC electrical current. And as you've already suggested, an (AC) electric current will induce a magnetic field. Have you ever heard of building a radio receiver that doesn't use batteries or a power source of any kind? The same principles apply. EM waves and AC current act in the same manner, and this makes it easy to convert information between the two. The alternating current induced from the EM wave is sent to a speaker. The speakers diaphram oscilates with a direct relation to the alternating currents frequency that is applied to it. The frequency that the diaphram oscilates at is converted to pressure waves that we hear as sound.

The beauty of all of this, is that the reverse is true. You may have heard before that you can use a speaker as a microphone, and in truth they're essentially the same thing. A speaker is a magnetic induction motor. You apply an AC current to the speaker, and the magnetic induction causes the speaker to oscillate based on the AC frequency. Just like the antenna though, you can induce an AC current into a speakers terminals by causing the diaphram to vibrate. This is essentially what a microphone does. The diaphram of a microphone is tuned to be most responsive to the frequencies that the human voice produces. The vibrations from the human voice induce a current which is sent to a preamp stage to be amplified even more.

Finally before I get too off topic, an electric motor and an alternator that recharges the battery in your car are again, the same thing. Current fed to an electric motor will induce a magnetic field which drives the motor. Take that same motor, and put a crank on the end of it, and start winding. The magnetic induction that you create will induce a current at the motors terminals.

Ok, that was very long winded. Maybe a bit too much. What it comes down to though, is that magnetic induction is a two way street. I hope you've learned something today.:)


useradd (31)   ranked 74 out of 739 in science  3 years ago

I almost forgot. I've received a few nasty shocks from satellite dishes that have been previously pointed by touching the end of the coaxial cable with my fingers. Voltages can become quite high when radiowaves are concentrated to a focal point as they are with satellite dishes.

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2. myLot reputation of 76/100. Rittings (588)   3 years ago

Full props to useradd I never knew any of that either and it probably would have confused the hell out of me to hear the sparking sound and see that magnetic effect too.

Just how did you learn something like that??? Definetely one of the best responses I have ever read on mylot and you get my "+" rating for such a marvelous insight into the world of magnetic forces and electricity.... (not hard I guess coz I am useless when it comes to science being a musician and all).


useradd (31)   ranked 74 out of 739 in science  3 years ago

Thank you Rittings, and thanks for pointing me to this wonderful site. As far as learning about magnetic induction goes, it's required for those in most countries who are interested in becoming licensed amateur radio operators. Magnetism is very much a part of radio theory, and without it we wouldn't have radio waves as we know them.
Radio amateurs are often referred to as ham operators. If you ever see someone's house with a 40' tower in their backyard, with multiple beam antennas stacked on top, chances are that a radio amateur lives there. Not all radio amateurs have the wallet for such setups including me, and it can be quite an expensive hobby. Most amateur setups are much less sophisticated, and a piece of copper wire no longer than 20' is adequate for talking around the world when propagation conditions permit. One of the more famous, if not somewhat controversial amateurs is Art Bell, host of the Coast to Coast AM radio show which is broadcast throughout North America. Check out the following link for a picture of his setup, which includes well over $30,000US in radio equipment alone.

http://www.smeter.net/pahrump/art-bell.php

Perhaps even more impressive is this mans antenna farm shown here.

http://www.smeter.net/w6obb/antenna-farm.php

What I'd give for this guys setup!:)

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