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myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa 5 years ago

Do you like me feel Frank Zappa was an under rated guitarist, or do you think he's a better writer of lyrics?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)   5 years ago

I belong to the biggest Zappa fans to me he was one of the best music composers of the 20th century. Sure his guitar playing was under rated by the critics but in no way for me, he had great skills in imrovising and he also had a unique style that stands for it´s selve. Have you listend to St. Etienne yet´,it´s totaly beautiful and hard to realize what he does there on his guitar, a kind of genius in my opinion.

He released such an amount of albums in his live i have many of them but still a lot to go for. Also his live performing group was outstanding, really sad that he died in 1993, i wish i could see him on stage for one more time.

ps. i started a Zappa topic 2 weeks ago, not much responses, but if you like to have a look on it there are some video links, maybe it´s interesting for you.


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

He did things with guitars I've never heard the like of anywhere else he definitely deserves more credit for it than he gets. I will check out your Frank Zappa topic as well.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)  5 years ago

What are your favourite songs from Zappa, to me i love tunes like Florentine Pogen or Inca Roads but there are many more, he also played a great guitar solo on Inca Roads. There a three record set out that i bought in the 80´s called simply Guitar it only contains his solo, awesome... i played Florentine Pogen in a group in 1998 only with a four member group it wasn´t easy but we got in tune with it... haha


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

I like his funnier ones like "Bobby Brown", and "City of Tiny Lights" never fails to impress me.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)  5 years ago

Yes they are good songs though i hope you also like his more complex compositions & arrangements too. Well he really worked with a lot of different styles and influences.


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

And many different musicians he did so much music in his life it's mind boggling really. I like the stuff he did with Adrian Belew and the band he had at that time.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)  5 years ago

Yes right, he allways had great musicians around him. To me i like really the time he had played with the musicians that are on the One Size Fits All album from 1975. I specialy like his female percussionist on vibs Ruth Underwood, George Duke on Keyboards or Napoleon Murphy Broke on sax & vovals, i think Chester Thompson was on drums that time but Terrio Bozzio is also awesome.
The band he had on Zappa in New York is also outstanding, i love that album.

ps. hey is that you on your avatar with the guitar, for how long are you into it?


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

Yes that's me and my old guitar, several other members of my family are into the guitar, I only started learning recently because I've started singing and it's hard to find a guitarist to accompany me.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)  5 years ago

That´s great to hear, so a real guitar player family.
I guess you write your own songs then, i think it´s a good idea that you also play guitar then but you sure will find also another mate to back you up. I play electric guitar since 1988 and yes i know it´s not easy to find the right musicians for own compositions, specialy i live in a area were most guys are into cover music. At the moment we are looking for a singer, i would like to have a female vocalist in our group.

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2. myLot reputation of 94/100. ESKARENA1 (12122)   5 years ago

i certainly feel Zappa was a great lyrasist, albeit an insane one. However, i think his writing overshaddows his guitar playing which at times is amongst the best i have ever heard
blessed be


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

Sometimes he did take his lyrics too far I think, but he didn't get to go far enough with that guitar in my opinion.

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3. myLot reputation of 82/100. otshock (205)   ranked 2 out of 8 in frank zappa   5 years ago

I absolutely love Zappa!
Do you know that he actually wrote music that could not be played on any instrument.
I think he would have made a great US president.
Very, very smart man.


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

He did get into politics towards the end of his life, would have been great to see him as president. He was a genius and is very under rated by many people.

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4. myLot reputation of 92/100. zatoichi2080 (2866)   5 years ago

From what I heard he was kinda engaged with some stuffs but don't know much about it and honestly don't care much .
Coz what I saw from him was just great as singer and guitarist .


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

He was good on vocals too but he was a great guitarist too.

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5. myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 5 out of 8 in frank zappa   5 years ago

I am not knocking Zappa but before you say he was a great guitarist you need to know who was playing that instrument at the time.

He did have Steve Vai and Joe Satriani playing with him at different times. These are 2 of the best guitarists ever. So it is good to know who was playing what you are hearing.

I do think he is a great guitar player and under rated. I saw him perform on Saturday Night Live and he did a great job.

As for his lyrics. LOL You have to admit a lot of it was silly. But I do think some of it was good. I like Joe's Garage. It is a song that takes me back to times when I was jamming in the garage or basement with friends. I am also working on a modern version of it with new music. Some of his stuff is not for the masses.


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

Yes there wasn't a lot of commercial potential for lots of his work, and he did know who to pick to make himself sound better, he also used good vocalists.


myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 5 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

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6. chris1965 (45)   5 years ago

Though I'm a big Zappa fan I think he is overrated as a guitarist. He was mainly fidddling around with the misolydian scale. And some of his best guittar solos are are solos that have been taken from another song and mixed to a new backing track. (Some people called it "The art of "Ampex Guitar").
Cheers and don't eat the yellow snow,
Chris


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

He's one of the hardest guitarists to imitate that must mean something, and the seamless editing in of guitar solo's to different songs impressed me.


myLot reputation of 82/100. coolseeds (2513)   ranked 5 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

It is because he was not afraid to play and he had his own style. He was a damn good guitar player and I am sure Steve Vai and Joe Satriani wouldn't have played with him if he sucked.

I don't play with anyone who sucks. Well at least not in public. LOL. I am one of the best bassists in my state and I have standards & I am sure they did too.

I think that is a sign he was good or they may not have done it. Also if Zappa sucked he wouldn't have needed Satriani or Vai to play his stuff. He could have just got Slash to do it. LOL

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7. myLot reputation of 54/100. petermason2000 (187)   ranked 6 out of 8 in frank zappa   5 years ago

Anyone who underrated Frank Zappa at anything he did musically simply was not paying close enough attention. All the best musicians wanted to play with him. That says enough about the man and artist.


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

I agree Many people don't realise just how good Frank Zappa was as a musician, it's often lost under the controversy of his lyrics.


myLot reputation of 82/100. MyoanBiz (222)   ranked 3 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

A lot of what are now "best musicians" got their big break when Frank let them play with him. If it wasn't for Franks influence & help, who knows where some of these people would be now.

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8. myLot reputation of 97/100. susaneverson (4945)   5 years ago

In a career spanning more than 30 years, Zappa established himself as a prolific and highly distinctive musician, composer and band leader. He worked in almost every musical genre and wrote music for rock bands, jazz ensembles, synthesizers and symphony orchestra, as well as radiophonic works constructed from pre-recorded, synthesized or sampled sources. In addition to his music recordings, he created feature-length and short films, music videos, and album covers.
This is a short synapsis of about 30 years of his life.
How could anyone not be thoroughly impressed.
I know I am. Susan


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

He did make a colossal amount of music in his life and work with many musicians, he was an amazing man.

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9. myLot reputation of 82/100. MyoanBiz (222)   ranked 3 out of 8 in frank zappa   5 years ago

Personally I think he was THE BEST guitar player that ever was, or even is. There ARE a few REALLY, REALLY good, if not great, guitar players out there today, but no one does & can do what ole Frank did. He was also one of the best songwriters, lyrics & music, to ever grace this planet. Shel Silverstein, & Arlo Guthrie are the only ones who come close. (I'm referring to the funny, story type songs.)


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

They has been no one like him before or since I'm surprised there isn't more interest in his work, though he does have quite a cult following if you look.

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. ORyansBelt2012 (2111)   5 years ago

Frank Zappa never impressed me much.
I think I was one of those who simply didn't get him.
I didn't like or dislike him. He just didn't do anything for me and I really didn't care for his songs or what his lyrics said.
In fact, when you said guitarist, my first reaction was, he played guitar?
And I'm a huge music fan.


myLot reputation of 82/100. MyoanBiz (222)   ranked 3 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

I'll be the first to admit that there was a LOT of his material I didn't like. I guess I must have found him at just the right time as I was hooked from the first time I heard that first song which was Dinah Moe Humm. The second one was Montana. Then I went & bought Apostrophe' -on 8 track.


myLot reputation of 99/100. nancyrowina (2228)   ranked 1 out of 8 in frank zappa  5 years ago

Proves my point he was an under rated guitarist, I like most of what he did though some things drag on a bit and he did like to show off with huge guitar solo's.

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