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Which regime is better? Marcos or Arroyo regime? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 81/100. gsgonzalez2007 (714)   ranked 215 out of 4,367 in philippines3 years ago

Why did you say so? Give your honest opinion.


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1. luvbabs (66)   ranked 4,334 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

Definitely the Marcos regime. Life was safer, simpler. The economy was better. Corruption was not that rampant. Politician still had sense of honor during the Marcos era unlike now.


myLot reputation of 56/100. bizcntr (232)   ranked 1,267 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

Oh they are both corrupt officials.


myLot reputation of 91/100. g_aileen09 (750)   ranked 232 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

who isn't?

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2. myLot reputation of 83/100. lilyoungfella (979)   ranked 61 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

I'll go to Marcos. I have read on my friends thesis that Philippines before was as competitive as big countries. Peso was as close to dollars. There was peace and ordinance in the country.

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3. myLot reputation of 68/100. renbace (239)   ranked 2,018 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

they are very different i must say... but i prefer the marcos regime... for reasons that.. Marcos did a great job in creating a country... but unfortunately.. as most people believe..his downfall was because of Imelda Marcos... and came a great depression in our country... when gloria became president.. the country was at much greater depression than that of the 80s... and it just kept falling because of so much controversies in the government and in society... it was a hard environment for progress...

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4. myLot reputation of 83/100. lilyoungfella (979)   ranked 61 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

It is said that, the greatest dictator of this country had fell from his position because he is being dictated by his own wife. I think Philippines is one of the countries being looked up to now if Marcos had only continued his leadership.

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. whacks (758)   ranked 1,567 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

Accordingly, Marcos is still the best. People did not just understand and they ousted him and what happened. The country did not move on. Only those few who have taken advantage of the situation got what they wanted. Poor Philippines.

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6. myLot reputation of 71/100. milasol (464)   ranked 693 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

The Arroyo regime is better, no doubt about that. No need to compare in fact. What Marcos ruined, President Arroyo is fixing. ALL the problems that we have now- ruined economy, huge economic debt, poverty, corruption, politicized military, Muslim seperatists, private armies, practice of guns goons and gold during elections, desaparecidos, poverty in Negros, human rights violations; are ALL because of the Marcos regime. That regime is the reason why we have been left behind by ALL our neighbors. President Arroyo is now burdened with putting things together and getting the economy right on track, and we could hardly give her administration credit for it. More importantly, for the politically conscious out there, we practice Democracy under President Arroyo, while we did not under Marcos. I guess another reason why our country will never move forward is because many filipinos fail to see, or maybe are just too dumb to realize how Marcos screwed up the country. Or maybe, many of us did not get the right kind of education or lacked it significantly. We emulate villains. I don't believe it, we seem to be getting dumber and dumber by the generation. Such a pity.


myLot reputation of 73/100. everlasting (9958)   ranked 314 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

what democracy are you talking about? marcos dispersed rallies too but not as violent as that of gma regime. did you have actual experience on what they do on rallies? maybe not, because you just blabber away praising that evil without an idea what she is doing. i experienced both regimes. maybe you are the one who is dumb here!

the desaparacidos now are more than 200 since 2001. if gma has learned her lessons, she will not allow this but this is more than marcos regime. the extra judicial killings in her regime is more than 700 and she is the one responsible for that because she is the president. she said that she is not responsible for these killings but she is praising palparan!

by the way, i have been meaning to ask you how much are they paying you to do this? No one in their right mind will praise or protect somebody who is evil and without soul. our people are dying and nothing is happening to alleviate their suffering. You kept telling us that she is doing something but nothing is felt, nothing is seen, nothing is heard. All her promises are nothing.

Have you attended the women's day celeb where she is the guest of honor? what micro finance is she talking about? you should have seen how upset she was when she learned nothing is happening in her government.


myLot reputation of 71/100. milasol (464)   ranked 693 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

Ok, now your response is a no-brainer really. You said desaparecidos have increased. Correct! Who started it? MARCOS. We are deep in debt, who started it? MARCOS. You claim to work for an NGO that helps people. I'm starting to doubt that, because you are not aware of how and where it ALL started. It did NOT start with GMA for crying out loud. Next, i'd like to toss the question back to you, who's paying you for your GMA smear campaign. As i mentioned before, i work as a private consultant for a semiconductors company, i worked as a consultant at ADB, the government would be the last institution in the world to pay me. In fact, i am paying the government that is why i care about where my taxes are going. If there's anybody who should be concerned about this country more, it is me. I pay more taxes than you do, so i have more at stake here. By the way, try refreshing yourself on Philippine history, to keep in touch with a reality. The reason why the country is so left behind is because we do not understand our own history. To say that Marcos is better is such a FARCE. I lived as a child in those days, and i knew what it was to live in fear that any opinion said against the regime could kill you. ALL the negative comments aimed at President Arroyo, published in the Philippines press is crystal clear proof that Democracy is live and alive. I think ALL the political prisoners during Marcos' time would agree that we are more Democratic now than before, and a statement that democracy is worse off today is going to be laughed at at as joke.


myLot reputation of 68/100. renbace (239)   ranked 2,018 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

I believe that Milasol has her point and everlasting you have your point.. but she did give an opinion.. i think there is no need to curse and conclude here... yes after the marcos regime the philippines was left with so much depression, they even said that Cory Aquino did a terrible job.. why? well people were desperate... i have to be honest.. that i was not even alive then, but according to many( as i consider reference) they say that it was a hard time trying to stand up again after a victorious people power. It was during Ramos' time that things in the philippines got better... as i even remember the dollar was only 20 pesos back then, but when the Estrada Administration took over, sadly the country began to fall apart... after people power 2 Arroyo got her position as president, let us say.. that yes she tried to gain the country's trust but has failed at many angles... as she was reelected.. and the Arroyo Administration was yet again ruling over the country.. this is what they call the false administration.... yes i believe that we can not move forward for many of us cannot see... i will be honest.. that i have not been part of rallies... for simple reasons, but do you think(this question is for everlasting) do you think that all those people rallying know what they are fighting for... i don't think so... maybe out of a thousand... only 100 know what they are really fighting for... even at the simplest form of administration.. let us say a school... tuition fee increased by 7.7%... many students will oppose of this i'm sure... but how many... when a rally was presented at the university i was in a year ago i tried asking everyone if they will be part of the rally, some said yes.. i asked them why... sadly only a few answered me back with the answer i wanted, and that was ofcourse that they were fighting of no tuition fee increase... on the other hand. more students were after escaping classes and having long breaks while the rally continued... same goes for the past rallies i have passed along.. i ask some.. what are you rallying about? they answer me back... they are going to give us something later... to this i agree with what milasol answered that we should be well educated of what we are tyring to solve before taking action... try to find its greatest weakness... but i still say that the marcos regime was better...


myLot reputation of 71/100. milasol (464)   ranked 693 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

Hi Renbace. I checked out your age, 18? is that right? Obviously you weren't born yet back in those days. I hope you don't get me wrong, but i hope your elders told you exactly what life was like back then. Back then, people could hardly speak up and say anything against the regime. It is hard to imagine how things were in those times. About tuition fee increase, price of commodities, well this is due mostly because the the price of oil in the world market. For tuition fees of course, a university needs cash in order to maintain its buildings, pay an increasing number of teachers, fund researches, basically, to upgrade the level of teaching, thus this also contributes to the increase. Things seem to be worse now because of the compounding effect of wrong economic policies that were implemented in previous administrations. Imagine a foreign debt that increased significantly during Marcos' time, whose interest in itself, is so difficult to pay. Imagine a politicized military which feels that it has the solemn right to seize power. As i said earlier, let us understand history. History is not just about memorizing dates or names, more importantly, it is about understanding the WHY's and HOW's. Happy Easter!


myLot reputation of 68/100. renbace (239)   ranked 2,018 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

yeah... i wasn't born back then... according to some documentaries i watched before.. they said the country was running good at first.. then it just turned up ugly in the end.. then i just asked my folks currently.. and yeah you were right... i would now prefer the GMA Administration... at least democracy is still present... and filipinos can still breathe... without thinking of harm or worst.. death... i've heard.. that once a government official wanted to kill you.. it would be instantly... thanks for your very great point.. and lesson.. i hope others would listen to you as well.. and learn....i've realized a lot for the past years i lived back in the philippines.. many do not listen anymore... they don't tend to understand... they take action before even analyzing....that is why we fail in many things... i've been contradicted many times here in mylot for my theory.. i feel pity for them... thanks anyhow..... Happeee Easter


myLot reputation of 59/100. borg_queen (1943)   ranked 1,899 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

"I don't believe it, we seem to be getting dumber and dumber by the generation."

Tell me about it. Just tune in to the top two TV channels. They are idiotizing the masses. Let's boycott them, I say!


myLot reputation of 71/100. milasol (464)   ranked 693 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

Hehehe...got that right there borg queen! That's why i'd rather have a computer and surf the net than watch TV.


myLot reputation of 68/100. renbace (239)   ranked 2,018 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

i think that the present generations and the future generations to come.. are not well... dumb... i think i have to disagree with that statement... its just now that i have reflected on that statement... i think it is the older generation that should be called with the word in question... One thing i have reflected upon and realized.. is that we were taught by many mentors to be blinded about political state of the philippines.. i remember many of my past mentors do such... and many of their students have noticed it as well.. i think not dumb.. but blinded... i think that would suit more...

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7. myLot reputation of 73/100. everlasting (9958)   ranked 314 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

Both are dictators and corrupt. They are both cheaters in elections. they are both human rights violators. They both steal our money and hid it in switzerland! They practice nepotism. They are both violators of our constitution to serve their needs. They both said they are doing this for the money but they are doing this for themselves. Both are liars. Both made our people grow hungry. Both drove our people leave this country. Both will have the worst place in our history.

gma is worse because she did not have the legitimacy of her position. until she proved that she won in the last election fair and square, she is illigitimate and do not deserve to be called president. marcos won the election.

gma is worse because she used the pension of all workers, both from sss and gsis to be used in questionable projects that the workers will not benefit. marcos did not touched this money because these are workers' money. are you wondering why is it so hard to make a loan in sss and gsis? are you wondering why the admin of these pension comapnies are hiking the membership fees?

gma is worse because instead of learning from the past, she did worse than them.

gma is worse because the leaders in asia respected marcos but looked down on gma because of the scandal on her administration like the hello garci and the fertilizer fund which still has no clear explanation because gma and her men are doing everything to stop the investigation. in fact, they are wondering why she is doing these things.

gma is worse because she is divisive. Instead of uniting the people, she polarized the people. On rallies against her, she had paid people rallying for her in bus loads.

i believe in karmic justice. gma's time is running out...


myLot reputation of 71/100. milasol (464)   ranked 693 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

Please back up your claims with data. All you are saying is hearsay that even the PCIJ would not care to investigate your claim that GMA used the money elsewhere. Hmmmm....leaders in Asia respected Marcos but look down upon GMA.....no proof again. Lets be objective and be level headed here. I honestly do not know where you are getting these ideas. Fidgets of one's imagination? Child-like precociousness? Hmmmmm....Let's be smart shall we? And base our statements on facts and not assumptions, perceptions, or hallucinations. Happy Easter!


myLot reputation of 68/100. renbace (239)   ranked 2,018 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

wow milasol.. i hope many more filipinos thought like you... and maybe the philippines wouldn't be such a mess.... can i be your friend.. i'll add you right away.. tell me more about the two administrations.. thanks.. happy keester


myLot reputation of 81/100. gsgonzalez2007 (714)   ranked 215 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

Wo-wo-wo! I hope I did not create intrigue with the kind of topic that I posted. All of you (everlasting, milasol plus renabace) though differ in views have one thing in common. Your concern and love for our country are very evident. Mabuhay kayo! I hope one day and I pray that all of us be united and stand as one to lift our beloved country and make it great again!

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8. myLot reputation of 55/100. tatzkie (491)   ranked 4,116 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

I go for marcos. it was relatively economically sound. though politically he was a mass murderer. But PGMA is worst. A liar, murderer and hypocrit.

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9. myLot reputation of 81/100. erminiasanjose (1561)   ranked 652 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

Marcos pa rin! The Filipinos just did not understand. Marcos loved the Philippines and he was sincere. For 20 years, he got out of the country only 6 times. He developed that Filipino identity and really we were proud then being a Filipino. When Cory became President by accident, Filipina means maid and the worse. Filipinos abroad are tagged as thieves. It became worse when GMA grabbed the Presidency from Erap. Then she did not clearly win in the Presidential elections. Just imagine the person occupying the highest post in the land is a cheater? What face can the Filipino show to the world?


myLot reputation of 59/100. borg_queen (1943)   ranked 1,899 out of 4,367 in philippines  3 years ago

yeah right. As if Marcos did not cheat at the snap elections causing the comelec walkout. Get your facts straight.

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10. myLot reputation of 59/100. borg_queen (1943)   ranked 1,899 out of 4,367 in philippines   3 years ago

Marcos. Because the masses then did not multiply that fast and most of our people were smarter. Seriously, I prefer freedom over some deluded dictator trying to advance the country by borrowing money and building roads. Roads. Roads and more roads. So it's Arroyo for me.

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