Quit blaming the parents

@Swtrose (3385)
Canada
May 15, 2007 12:56pm CST
Peer pressure plays a big role in determining how children and teens acts. Society needs to address that and quit blaming 'parents' for the actions of their children. When do we as a society start holding children accountable? As a society we need to stop and identify how peer pressure affects children. Peers can play a greater role in a child's life than the parents. I'm sick of hearing "if a child misbehaves in school" it is the parent's fault or if a young girl goes looking for "love" and becomes promiscuous it is because she did not get attention at home or if a boy hits a girl it is because he was hit. This is not always the case. Snap out of the stereotype. It is unrealistic to assume that it is always the parents fault. Rant over!
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
15 May 07
I would be ashamed if peers played a bigger role in my kids' life than I did. I don't know how I would justify that to myself, let alone my children. I consider myself resposnible for my children's actions until they are 18, and only hope I have done the best possible job I can in raising them. After they hit their majority, I can't be held legally responsible for them, but I certainly hope I will still play a part int heir lives.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
15 May 07
You missed my point. Your kids might be angels at home and you are most likely a wonderful parent, but if your child gets mixed up with the wrong crowd at school. gets in trouble should you as the parent be labeled a bad parent?
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• United States
16 May 07
Preachers' and cops' kids do tend to get in a lot of trouble statistically speaking...
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• United Kingdom
16 May 07
That is why I specifically said it's not true in every case. You are one of a minority even if you are not prepared to believe that. I know children who have gone off the rails despite having loving parents but I do agree that parents being more strict might make the child want to rebel. This is why a good parent needs a balance. I don't think overly strict parents are necessarily good parents, not that they are bad either. But, yes, if you r parents were too strict then yes, it is at least partly their fault that you wanted to rebel in the first place.
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@patgalca (18181)
• Orangeville, Ontario
15 May 07
It is up to the parents to educate their children and keep an open relationship so that children are not afraid to talk to them about what is going on at school or where ever. If something happens at school (and lots of stuff does) there is always a "he said, she said" attitude and the teacher doesn't know who to believe. Besides, being a snitch doesn't bode well with friends. I have seen different types of families and I think the family dynamic plays a very important role on how a child turns out. Our neighbours are two working parents whose son (12, 13 in July) comes home to an empty house every day. Other kids know there is no adult at home and hang around, try and get in the house and eventually the police had to get involved. I am home for my children when they get home from school. If they need to rant, I am there. If they need to jump for joy over some achievement, I am there. It is so important to me and to them. My daughter had to deal with a very bossy friend. I had to point out to her that she was being shuffled back and forth between her divorced parents and that she probably wasn't being heard so she turned on my daughter, one of the meek and mild types who couldn't stand up to her. I did speak to the teacher and asked to have their desks be separated in the classroom. The teacher acknowledged that he saw something wrong between the two and did as I asked. That "child" has now moved to a different district and a different school. But we live in a small town and my daughter hates running into her. We're not sure if they are going to end out at the same high school or not. Another family dynamic includes step-parents and step-children. I can't begin to imagine what that can do to a child. In some cases it can have a positive affect, but I have no doubt children struggle with these "intruders". Also, children each have their own unique personalities. My parents raised five children all the same, but we are no way the same. My middle sister was quite the rebel as a teenager, got pregnant, the whole nine yards. Is that my parents' fault? Is that society's fault? There are other examples but I think I've made my point. Do you think society is responsible for these situations? Society and schools and parenting seminars can help, but when you take on the role as parent, you take on the whole role. It is a full-time job, and it isn't easy. But you choose to be a parent then you have to put your whole heart into it. We have to stop putting the blame somewhere and be proactive as parents.
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• Canada
15 May 07
I think we both are missing the point. The one i am tryign to make if you teach your child right form wrong adn they choose to break rules adn stuff it is not your fault but if you do not teach them then yes you are being a bad parent.
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• Canada
15 May 07
Youa re so right about the parents establishing good communication with your children is the cornerstone of the relationship. I do not put much faith in schools to stop anything been my experience that the teachers adn councilors are too over loaded with being politcally correct and too busy cover their A$$ from beign told they are not doing their job to help with estrablishing behaviours. One of my sons was given 3 days off for beating up another kid that was bulling my sons friend my sons asked him to leave them alone and this kid who was 3 yrs older kept it up adn made it worse so my son was pu in a spot where he was going to have to fight. He told me this before they had a fight and explained what was going on and i talke to the school abotu it and they said that they cannot do much about it. When my son drilled the bully in the nose the school sure did things abotu it. We are resposible as parents to teach and guide our children to be members of society we as a society have aresonsiblity to halp parent sraise their children. AS they say it takes a village to raise a child.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
15 May 07
Again you have absolutely missed my point. Yes parents play an important role, but why does society stereotype all parents. If your daughter was to get in trouble tomorrow or end up pregnant how would you feel as a parent if I called you a bad parent?
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@starr4all (2863)
15 May 07
I have to disagree. It's a parents obligation to teach their children right from wrong. If there is a good foundation laid out by the parents then the child will not follow "peer pressure" blindly. There are also needs to be good communication between child and parents. Also, peers should not play a greater role in a child's life than their parents. The parents are the ones (should be anyways)who raise the child and teach right from wrong, not their friends.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
15 May 07
I disagree! Yes it is the parent's obligation to teach them, but you can be the best parent in the world and still have a child who gets in trouble.
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@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
15 May 07
I dont believe that it is the parent's fault if a child misbehaves in school. We as parents always hope that we have taught our children the basics of behavior and right from wrong. I object to parents who try to run interference for their kids when they do get in trouble with the attitude "my child would never do that". Kids are kids and they see what they can get away with and do it. My kids got in trouble in school. One even ended up on probation. I always told my kids that if they got in trouble at school, they'd be in trouble twice, once from the school and once from me. There is peer pressure and some kids respond to that pressure, no doubt. Eventually they learn especially if the parents dont coddle them.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
15 May 07
Oh don't even get me started on the parents who think their kids can do no wrong. Do you want to start that discussion or should I? lol
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• Canada
15 May 07
Good rant but there are soem truths to it as if you estabish a good relationship with your child then they will feel comfortabel talking to you about different groups of friends and will not need to feel the peer pressure and they will be less likly to do what that group is doing but then again they may just do it to fit in no matter what. A parent should step in when there child does follow acceptabel behaviours in school and public but using the excuse "kids will be kids" is nto right either.
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• Canada
15 May 07
As a parent it is ourt job to teach them what is right and expected of them and if they break rules yours or otheres then they should be expected to be punished. A parent job or resonsibility is to teach and show you cannot make others responisble. I know mine broke rule cut class etc and they were punished for it but they nerveer did things like vandalism, or steal these things.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
16 May 07
Ravenladyj, I never said she was a bad kid. News flash a majority of teens think the world resolves around them and that does not make them a 'bad' kid. Honestly I don't think there is such a thing as a bad child. I believe that all some children need is some guidance, but is it fair to stereotype all parents when a child rebels?
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
15 May 07
huggiebear22, I have a wonderful relationship with both my children. My daughter is almost 17. She works, volunteers and does chores. However she smoked for a short time, and has cut class. Should I be blamed as a mom for her cutting class or should my daughter be blamed? She knew the consequences and paid the punishment.
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@4cuteboys (4099)
• United States
15 May 07
I agree, although there are SOME parents that ARE to blame, and that sort of makes the rest of us look bad. Peer pressure is ridiculous and it was even back when I was in school, and I know it seems to be even worse now!
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
15 May 07
I think it is because kids have more to deal with then they did 10-20 years ago. Times have changed.
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• United States
16 May 07
I agree that a child that acts up in school, skips school or whatever at school is the child's fault, and generally--at least where I'm from, anyway--it is the child that gets detention, not the parents. Now where we lived before I yanked him from their school and started teaching him at home, that was a different story. The school was making us come to meeting after meeting and it ended up in court, long story, so I won't go into detail. I also agree that young girls sometimes do become promiscuous, but it is their own mistake to make. Parents don't (at least I hope they don't) teach promiscuity, they teach the opposite. Children rebel. And when they rebel to the point of being uncontrollable, it's time to start teaching the difference between rights and privileges. But, on the other hand, parents are responsible to a point. If a child has a bad home life, that child is going to act out in other places, mainly school. If some parents didn't leave their children to be raised by TV, babysitters & neighbor kids, there would be a whole lot less promiscuity going on. Notice this problem with teen pregnancy wasn't always here. People used to teach their children to not screw before marriage, and had dire consequences if they did. We don't have that anymore. The economy has made to where even 2 parent families have to work full time and limits parenting time. Though many of us find ways around that and still continue to parent our kids, I can see why some people find it much easier to send their kids off into the neighborhood with no supervision to do God only knows what. Basically, it's six of one and a half-dozen of the other.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
15 May 07
IMO Parents ARE to blame first and foremost....yes there are other factors but those factors ONLY come into play after the parent has already established and set the stage for the childs behaviour and attitude....but it all starts at home right from infancy so yea IMO on the list of influences parents is top of the list
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
16 May 07
Do you not teach your children to take responsibility for their actions? Peer influence can be a factor in causing teenagers to commit wrongdoings. How do you explain good parents with teenagers who have gone astray?
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
16 May 07
"Do you not teach your children to take responsibility for their actions? Peer influence can be a factor in causing teenagers to commit wrongdoings" of course I do...they know to own up and accept whats theirs BUT they have been raised to NOT fall into the whole peer pressure nonsense....and they don't...my children KNOW the difference between right and wrong, they know what is acceptable behaviour and what isnt and they know that if they EVER cross the line I'll beat their a$$es...so they dont....add to that the fact that I am very open and honest with my children and they know they can talk to me about anything (and they do)..I have no concerns at all about them being a part of the monkey see monkey do crap...
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
17 May 07
So you believe in beating your children if they do wrong? FYI: You are not with them 24 hours a day. ;-)
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@magica (3707)
• Bulgaria
15 May 07
You can avoid the role`s parents completely. We still accept the person as a subproduct of the reality where he/she lives. But we need to have more differentiated and individual approach when we judge somebody`s behaviour. To follow the stereotypes is just easier.
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@stella1989 (2274)
• India
16 May 07
Yes your are correct.We should quit blaming our parents for every thing. But somewhere I belive parents are responible for you almost 97 percent of our personality!! They should take some time out of their busy lifes to know their kids more precisely!! At some places parents ignore their kids. I belive that your each and every act is taken from the person whom you live with most of the time. you live with mostly with your parents ,friends,relatives or room mates.Your surrounding affect you a lot. So its not only the parents, its the surrounding what mostly affects the children and teenagers.Your parents should take care of your surronding either by correcting the people arround you or by correcting themselves only!! It more of a "complicated" thing to understand!!
• United States
16 May 07
Here's what I see. And I am not going to blame my mother for anything. During the formative years of a child's development the mother\father is in complete control. DURING THE FORMATIVE YEARS... Hitler said (PARAPHRASED): Give me your child til he is 8 years old, and I'll give you a NAZI. We can blame parents! They should be willing to accept responsiblility for what they did if you expect the child to accept the blame. Should the parents be CONGRATULATED if their child does (did) well? You betcha..then the rotten parents who ruined an innocent child and caused him\her to loose heart should be blamed when blame is due.
• United States
15 May 07
I agree with you totally. Society points the finger at the parents when a child does something terrible and a parent can only do so much. They raise their child the best they know how. If a child is with a group of kids and the group of kids decide they are going to go in a store and steal the peer pressure sometimes makes a child do what he/she wouldn't do under other circumstances. I have heard it more than once that parents should be held accountable for what their children do. As long as the child knows right from wrong I feel they should bare the consequencses of their actions. Give it a rest. Parents for the part are good parents but they can't be with their child 24/24. The best a parent can hope for is that they have laid a good foundation and the child will follow what they have been taught no matter how many of their friends try to get them to do otherwise.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
16 May 07
Well said!
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• Canada
15 May 07
Thanks having raise d 3 of my own we have a great relationship adn it is hard to determine where a parent ends and a friends begins but i belive i have doen my best theyare aactive insports not been i trouble with the law aare not players or lovem and leave em type. They know what sort of behaviour is expected from a person in society adn treat others the way they wanna be treated.
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• United States
16 May 07
I do not agree at all. I think it starts out at home. Yeah a lot of parents are just blind to what is really going on with thier kids and that is why they act out. My parents were very open with us but very strict and yes we did act out as teenagers but my parents were not afraid to call us on it and tell us they really do know what is going on. There are so many parents that don't see what is really going on or don't want to see what is going on because they don't want to admit that they may have not did something right with them. I see it for myself that every decision you make from the time that they are a day old effects who they will become. Wheather it be discipline, teachings, manners, support, and communication.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
16 May 07
the thing is though, nobody IS blaming ALL parents...I know some seriously unruly/hardcore trouble kids and it has nothign to do with the parents at all, these kids have actual mental disorders..but there ARE plenty of kids especially if the parents are in my age group, that are just bad kids and the parents are to blame...but I dont recall ANYONE saying ALL parents are to blame..
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
16 May 07
Sure there may be some parents who are neglecting and don't give a rats tush and are blind to what is going on, but is it fair to blame all parents?
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• United States
17 May 07
You are right not all parents are to blame but I see it with my own family. My sisters think their kids aren't bad and they let them do what they want and they consider themselves good parents, but they also drink and fight in front of them. They don't physically fight but they do argumentivly fight. My husband and I don't do that and my kids have so much respect for other people and for us. They say yes ma'am or yes sir all the time. It is so proper and polite. I have gotten so many people telling me that my kids are really good and they see it's from me and my husband. So I'm not saying all parents are the reason but a lot of them are to blame because you have to teach kids from when they are babies that is when it starts not when they are 2 years old it will never work that way. Yes sometimes peer pressure may be the cause but I think it starts in the home.
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• United States
16 May 07
One more thing I want to add here. When parents cause their children to wrath and wrath hard...you'd better believe they will turn out in a way the parent never expected. Do not make your child wrath and loose heart. The blame will be on the parents who did this to their child. You can train a child and not beat him\her into submission. That is not what parenting is all about.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
16 May 07
I seen a bumper sticker the other day that said my counselor has taught me everything is your fault. I think to a point its the parents fault but when the kid knows that their parents wouldnt approve or isnt what they were raised on than they are on their own. We all follow in our parents footsteps to some degree until we get the tools to break free of that path. Sometimes its not always a better path that children follow.
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@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
15 May 07
The parents can not be blamed for the decisions that our children make...but we are responsible for the education that they get from us....I feel that it is our responsibility to teach them what behaviors are acceptable in society....but you're right in that the sterotype of it being always the parent's fault is over used! Once, we, as parents, give our children the beginning lessons of life and try to guide them into adulthood...that is all we really can do except be there to support them....the "life decisions" are up to them once they reach a certain age.
• United States
19 May 07
Thanks so much for awarding me with "best response".
@mosvph (97)
• Philippines
16 May 07
I would say the same thing - "Stop blaming the parents." A person, even with good parents, can end up very complicated. External and internal factors, apart from parents, can play a bigger role in a particular case. And a parent need not blame himself nor feel embarrassed that there are other factors with greater influence on their children in a particular case. Life is very complex. So, it would indeed be unfair to blame the parents in any way. There is little they can do to control the complex factors that interplay in the life of their children. But the stereotyping has a basis too. That is why it is a big responsibility to be a parent. Parents have the greatest influence in the formation of the character of the child from 0 to 14 years of his life. He learns values, his concept of right and wrong, his first lessons about life from his parents. The parents hold the child from infancy, tabula rasa. First the parents, then the rest (school, church, community, books, mass media, particular experiences, friends, people they come into contact with, etc.) But it is never just the parents. They can only do so much and then pray and trust that they have taught their child well to serve him in his lifetime. You want to tell your father that you are sorry. What does that show about you? You were taught well by your parents. You had good parents. They had a good child. You can't blame yourself for people talking about your parents not bringing you up well. They are not trying to understand you. Your hanging around with a person who has gotten into trouble with the law is not in itself a bad thing, is it? You know why you made the choices you made. Nor is the person you hang around with bad, is he? Wouldn't that be stereotyping if you say he is bad? You're okay.
@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
16 May 07
Well he was violent and abused me. However, you are right I made the choices not my parents and I learned from them.
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• United States
17 May 07
At the risk of being attacked myself, I thought I would throw my two cents in. I put the disclaimer in advance: I have a toddler right now, and hope to raise a teenager one day (God help me). Parenting and Peer pressure both play huge roles in children. My daughter goes to day care and seeing all the other kids eat green vegetables, or go to sleep for nap had made her follow along. Peer pressure can be good. However, as a parent, I know it is my job to give her a foundation to make decisions on in the future. There will be bad peer pressure at some point, and I hope I have given her the right tools to make the right decisions. But, she is human, and as such, she will make bad decisions. I have a job to do to raise her, and it has been the most rewarding job I have ever done. But my daughter needs to understand that if she makes a mistake, she is the one that has to deal with the consequences. At some point she will be an adult, and she may even have her own kids. Buffy the Vampire Slayer taught us that all decisions (both right and wrong) have consequences. I can only hope my daughter learns what she needs from me to go out in the world. I will always be here for her, but I can't live her life for her.
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• China
16 May 07
It's also my opinion,the children's problem depends on kinds of things, not only their parents' fault.