Do you think 467.00 is Enough Child Support for 4 Children??

@stacy624 (2776)
Canada
May 28, 2007 9:36am CST
OK my Ex was told to pay child support with in the guidelines as to how much he makes so his amount for 4 children was 467.00 .....However there have been things like school trips, hair cuts, back to school clothes ect ect I have asked him if he could help with a little extra money ....He tells me that he pays his support and that 467.00 should put a roof over their heads, food, clothing ect. What do you think, do you think 467.00 is enough a month to cover his children's cost?? Thank you for reading Stacy
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
28 May 07
Well, I'm in the U.S. and so I'm not familiar with Canada's divorce rules. Usually it's stipulated in divorce papers how much a mother gets from the ex for child support. It should also be in there about how to handle other things like you've mentioned. Child support is usually based on how much income the father has coming in. If the father makes more money through raises from his job then the woman should take him back to court and have the support amended. Other wise, I'm on his side. You should make do with what he has been ordered to pay. If you want more then take him back to court and let a judge decide. Those are your kids, too, and you have some responsibility to pay half of their support, also. That's just my opinion.
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@Michele21 (3093)
• United States
28 May 07
I agree, I would be thankful to get anything!!
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Thank you for your Opinion, I understand and I do pay well beyond half on my end. The thing is that he changed jobs and is making well more than he use to but wont provide me with his income tax statements. But indeed this is one of the reasons we go back Tomorrow. Thank you so much for your response Stacy
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@Michele21 (3093)
• United States
28 May 07
I think you will always py well more than half of the expenses just because the kids live with you and you are their Mommy!! I hope you get more support when you go back to court!!
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@lillake (1630)
• United States
28 May 07
Wow, my partner pays more than that for his 1 son with his ex. I don't think that's enough for 4 children at all.
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@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
15 Jun 07
I have a deadbeat ex that was ordered to pay $40 a week for our daughter. He hasn't paid and I can't seem to get the state to do their job, I am thinking about sending them a bill for me doing their work. I may start getting support soon for her keeping my fingers crossed. I have another support order for my son with my ex husband he was order to pay $85.00 a week which is 340 a month he got behind, thinking he was hurting me and I would run back to him, that he has to pay an additional $20. in arrears. So yeah I believe you should be getting more if he is making more, you are raising and supporting four of his children after all. Petition the courts for a review. Your childern deserve to benefit from increases in earnings, because they would if you were still together. They are his kids too after all. Good luck.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
I agree =) Thank you so much for your Response! Stacy
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@rusty2rusty (6751)
• Defiance, Ohio
28 May 07
I think it is more than enough. As i don't get anything for my oldest son from a previous marriage. But on a side note. I do know how expensive it is to raise a child. Child support is suppose to help raise the child. Not support the child.
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• Defiance, Ohio
28 May 07
I am glad you are getting something. I am sure he knows all to well how much kids cost to raise. But you have to think about the area you live in and what the rules and guidelines are. I know where I live in Florida. A parent does not pay child support for more than two children at a time. Once those two kids are of age or out of school. Than the said parent starts paying for the next two children.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
I'm sorry you didn't get any help I cant image....but you know this man is having kids all over and I think that he needs to see they cost money. Maybe this will open his eyes and start supporting the kids he does have 1. 11 yr old son - pay nothing 2 me with 4 children -467.00 3.New wife expecting any day But I am grateful I do get something I had to fight for it! Thank you for your Response Stacy
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
Its amazing how they have different rules in different area's I would have to say I am very grateful to be here in Canada and to be able to get something for all my children, for every little bit helps. Thank you so much Stacy
• Canada
28 May 07
if he pays every month you should be thankful. my ex pays every 6 months or so or whenever he feels like it. do you have it stated in your court documents that he has to pay extra ordinary expenses. this would include paying for half of meds, medical visits, school trips, sports they want to go in. maybe you should look into having something like that in there. that way when a school trip comes along you will have a little extra help with that.
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• Canada
28 May 07
your not wrong. he should definately be helping out with things like that. my daughter just got glasses 2 weeks ago and i made her dad pay half. he told me he didn't have the money. i said i don't care you find a way to come up with it. i said i was doing whatever it took and that's what being a parent is about so he needed to find a way. he ended up bringing me money. i was shoked cuase he's never payed for anything before.
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
He did provide and wasn't making a whole lot which didn't bother me in the least, The thing is now he is working a full time job somewhere making way more than before and not wanting to contribute. I have asked him several times for his income tax statements which he refuses to give but will have to now that I have the ball rolling. This is all about our kids. Heck I settled for 1.00 year spousal support that I didn't have to but Don't care about him and I just about the best and well being for our children. Thank you so much for your thoughts in this Stacy
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Thats just it, I don't have any extras stated that in place but am going to for sure ask Tomorrow and see what they say. I mean my oldest daughter Cierra needed a retainer that cost me 2800.00 plus she will need braces after which is another 2500.00 which I don't see how it should be all on me, maybe I'm wrong in my way of thinking..... Thank you so much for your response Stacy
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@vokey9472 (1486)
• United States
28 May 07
I think that child support is never enough to cover the costs of raising children. Here in Texas child support is 20% of his take home income. Which means if he only makes $100 a week take home, you only get $20 a week in child support and we all know that barely buys a small package of diapers. I think that you are lucky that he even pays his child support. Alot of men don't. If his job has changed and he is making more money, take him back to court and get the support ammended to reflect his change in income.
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@vokey9472 (1486)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Oh, I agree that more fathers need to step up and take care of their children. I just wanted you to see how it is for some people in other parts of the US. I think men should be forced to pay more than 20%. I think they should be forced to pay 50% of their children's needs. Regardless of how much money they make. Those are their children and they have a responsibility to them.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Thank you for the eye opener please don't get me wrong ...I just think that not just my Ex but other daddy's out there should stand up to the plate when it comes to their children's Need Not WANTS but needs. I Went almost 2 years before getting any type of child support I had to take him and get his pays deducted through the family responsibility office, When he left me here with 4 kids No money closed my account I had to go and defend for my children to keep them together and supported. My kids are my life and I will do what ever it takes for them as long as its helping them in the right ways. Thank you for sharing your information with me Stacy
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@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
28 May 07
ok I guess I'm gonna play devils advicate here. My first question I guess is are all 4 his kids, I ask this because I've seen all to many times that not all the kids belong to the guy yet they are expected to pay for them anyway. Secondly I know that support is based of their income so if he doesn't have the extra money to give then he's doing his part in paying his support. Depending on the age of the children also depends on how much money they will need. The older they get the less expensive things become. I noticed earlier that you stated the cost of rent, and gas as the bills you have to pay. Frankly its not his job to help you pay those things. The money he gives you are for clothes food and basic support for the kids. The rent you pay is your own problem because you chose to live there. Same with the gas you use to put in your car. Frankly be happy you're getting anything there are plenty of people who don't get any help.
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
3 Kids are biological his my 1st daughter is not but was born and given his last name because at the time he wanted to raise her as his.....Yes when I took him to court the very 1st time he was a No show and the judge nailed him for 800.00 a month. I felt sorry for him and knew he couldn't afford it so I went and settled for the 467.00 with him working as a temp. He is now working full time and has not provided me with any of his income tax statements. My children's ages are 10, 9, 8, and 6 ....The rent I can some what agree but I have to accommodate for his children to have a place to sleep. My ex and I lived here in the same place before he left and I didn't want to bounce my children home from home a separation/Divorce was hard enough on them I didn't want to change to much around them. Same as the gas and hydro I mean I have to cook for them and they need to shower and get their clothes washed, ect. As far as gas for the car that has nothing to do with my children expect it gets them from place to place such as after school activities back and forth to school, any doctors or specialist appointments ect. But overall you right I should be happy I am getting something over nothing =) Thank you very much for your response Stacy
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@vmoore709 (1101)
• United States
28 May 07
Of course not! We pay over that for my husband's two kids from his first marriage. Unfortunately, if he stays in a job where he doesn't make much (my ex-husband's case as well), the courts will not make him pay more support. If you hear he gets a new job, or, if you're not on those terms, go by the court house and fill out paperwork requesting additional support. You never know...you just may get it.
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
You know if he was just to take them once a while and got their cuts, or some back to school clothes shoes, seen them more then every other weekend it would be no issue, I have no problems taking care of them as I have this far but as it gets tighter and tighter he doesn't care. Just the small things would make a big difference. Thank you so much for your Response Stacy
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@saralee1 (1983)
• United States
28 May 07
Well, here in America, I was first floored to discover you were only paid 467.00 a month for 4 kids, because I thought you were from "USA" ha ha! My mother received 1,200 a month for 6 kids, and was on public assistance, after my father quit his job, in the late 80's. Indeed, men who do not pay for their children should be castrated.(of course my husband doesn't agree with the castration method, he sees it is a bit harsh) But, indeed, your ex has left you in a bind, and it is ridiculously unfair! As a matter of fact, I think most mothers who have to raise their children on their own should receive some type of support, and not expected to act as if they are a "supermom" both bringing home the bacon and cooking it too! So, thank God you live in a country that recognizes these needs, because in the USA where I live, there are so many people that have to fend for themselves, and so many restrictions, you aren't even allowed to have an idea! It didn't used to be this way, but it is now. in America, that 467$ wouldn't go very far at all. maybe for one child, and that is about it, and THAT would be on a strict budget, never mind the medical or dental coverage. I feel very fortunate that I do not have children at 35, because I know what my mother went through, and so many single mothers out there, trying to raise their children. I'd almost suggest letting HIM try raising those children for a year,on 467$ a month to let him know exactly what it is like, because he needs to bear his responsibilities as well! May GOD bless you, and keep you safe...
@saralee1 (1983)
• United States
28 May 07
Stacey, I would hope that all these people giving advice would walk a mile in your shoes. it is bad enough to care for one child, let alone 4, and since you didn't have a crystal ball to know all this stuff would happen in the future, if they say anything to the contrary, and they don't have 4 or more kids, it is all a bunch of hot air. because I saw what my mother went through, and a stepmother, it is a tough situation. If anything, you should be revered for having the courage to stick it out and do the very best you can in the predicament you are in! It is not your fault, and anyone can fall in the same position,and anyone who thinks otherwise, is a dang fool!
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@Michele21 (3093)
• United States
28 May 07
I am sorry you get so little for 4 kids!! But the amount he pays is based on what he earns from his job. He apparently doesn't make that much money if they only give you $467. My ex works minimun wage and I get like $250, of course that is when he is working which isn't very often. So I don't get much of anything for my daughter. But that is okay because he doesn't come around anymore which I am thankful for. I know in Texas the amount is figured by 18% of his wages for the first child, 15% for the second and so on. It gets smaller and smaller for each additional child. Ig he gets a better job or something you can ask them to review your case and hopefully thay will make him pay more. My case is up for review in a few months but of course he isn't working that i know of so nothing will change. Oh well.
• United States
29 May 07
Lucky you. I only recieve $200/month for my daughter when I was receiving it he is now not paying I am going to put papers in to have enforcement after him again. I have not had my order evaluated in 10 years since the original order was done in court. I am going to have them look at that. Wish me luck today.
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Hey there I understand, But his sister was telling me he is now making much more money than what he was. I mean some of these men try to get off easy, and I guess with him having a son who is 11 that he pays nothing then our 4 kids and is now expecting another, I think he needs to stop and pay for the children he has already brought into this world. Thank you so much for responding Stacy
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
I so do wish you all the Best wishes, Good for you, please keep me posted Stacy
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@maddysmommy (16230)
• United States
29 May 07
I wouldn't know for sure Stacy if that is an adequate amount to support 4 children. Just by looking at it I wouldn't think that would be enough to cover expenses. That is roughly $110 and some change for each child, per month, and that doesn't sound to me enough to cover clothing, school, food, shelther for each of them. I only have the one son so I can't imagine what it would be like raising four children.
@maddysmommy (16230)
• United States
29 May 07
Totally agree with you Stacy and I hope you are able to file for more! They are his kids too and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot he would be filing for more money from you also! Good Luck Stacy!!
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
All I want is to see fair and if he has enough to pay for a new family his 1st family should come 1st! Some of these men have No clue but need to be shown just how expensive they really are. My kids didn't ask for this and it is so up to me and their dad to provide with all we have and I know on my end I give it my all!! Thank you so much for your response Stacy
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@Caila611 (992)
• United States
29 May 07
WOW that doesn't seem like a whole lot. My ex pays $265./month for one child plus half of medical insurance, lunches, extra curricular stuff. Because I'm remarried we don't bug him about field trip money and school clothes and such but the other stuff we do. But no that amount your gettingfor four kids doesn't sound like it will amount to much!!
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
Thats all I really want to see for my kids the half of medical insurance, lunches, extra curricular stuff. But my Ex says the 467.00 is suppose to do all this and more lol.... Thank you for your response Stacy
@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
28 May 07
Don't you receive the Canada Child Tax Benefit each month? I'm guessing that you receive a good thousand there, therefore 467.00 is enough and 40 a month on school trips? Yeah right! My children do not go on that many school trips.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Hi there yes I do receive the Canada child tax that helps pay for a lot such as our rent, utilities food ect, As far as the kids school they go almost once a month to places. Thank you for your response Stacy
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@4cuteboys (4099)
• United States
28 May 07
Wow no not at all! My hubby pays well over that for 2 kids per month per the guidelines, and my ex sends more than that as well for two. That is NOT enough! That being said the court systems are very unfair about the guidelines sometimes. If my hubby and I got divorced I would get a minimal amount for the three kids we have together since he already has to pay support for the first two he has. Sucks, and unfair. 467 is not anywhere near enough. I'd tell him so.
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Thank you so much for your Response....You know it just kills me that these men think they can bring a child or more into this world and when the relationship goes sour turn their backs on the kids, I not speaking of all men because there are alot of good daddy's out there that do care and give it all. But my Ex already has a son he doesn't pay for, then has our 4 and is now expecting which will push the kids needs even further away. When I go tomorrow I'm just looking for fair for my kids needs thats all. Thank you again for your response Stacy
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@tim_un (354)
• Malaysia
29 May 07
If devide the earn into 4, one child only spend 110+ per month,and meaning 4.00 per day per child.Do you think is possible to spend 4.00 for 1 child per day including hair,food,cloth,transport? I think thats really not enough in my opinion.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
WOW thank you Tim I never thought of it that way .....Thanks so much for your Response I appreciate that =) Stacy
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@nangel78 (1454)
• United States
29 May 07
That does not seem like enough to cover the costs of 4 children especially when you have to consider food, clothing, daily necessities, entertainment for children, and things like that. It should not only be on one parent. It should be both.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
Thats the key it should be BOTH in any case =) Thank you so much for your Response Stacy
@carolscash (9492)
• United States
28 May 07
That is quite a bit of money actually. My husband pays $50 per week for his son and I know that it costs more than that to raise him and we have helped with extra things at times. However, you have to remember that Dad also needs money to live on. If he gets remarried, his new family shouldnt suffer because he had a previous family. He needs to be able to help care for both families and if he is giving you $467 a month then I am not sure that he could care for another family. IF you have custody of the kids, you will pay for more than he will and that is just how it is.
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
28 May 07
Men need to think of these things before they get women pregnant with their children. I mean you cant just have a child and when this go belly up with the relationship it stops, he needs to put fourth more into these children over here before even thinning of starting another family. I think over here in Canada they want to stop these dad's from walking away from their responsibilities. Thank you so much for your response Stacy
@Nardz13 (5055)
• New Zealand
29 May 07
Hey stacy, I dont agree with $467.00 being enough to cover and support four children, definetly not enough especially per month, that is a bloody joke if you ask me. Children have needs and expenses, like school books and school fees, clothing, not too mention food. You need to get more out of him... Goodluck with this your children deserve more...
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
Thank you so much for your Response I really appreciate it =) Have a great night your Friend Stacy
@Cassy1976 (796)
• Australia
29 May 07
I am in australia and I would consider myself lucky to get that much if I had 4 kids, a very close friend of mine gets a whole $5 a fortnight off her ex and that is what the government says is reasonable! HOw sad is that
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
OMGosh thats unreal!!!!! SICK!!!! Your friend is a very strong lady/mother ...She is amazing in my eyes. I'm so sorry to hear this thats just plan wrong. But I guess we need to remember What goes around Comes around. Just when (I) think my life is bad there is always someone worse off. Thanks again my Friend for sharing with me Stacy
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
UNREAL.....I couldn't image. I cannot believe that. How many children does she has? Does she get any help anywhere? why on earth would the government think thats enough? WOW thank you for sharing Stacy
• Australia
29 May 07
She could get help from the government but it really isnt alot so she chooses to go to work full time to pay for all her kids needs and wants, she has 2 children, I dont know how the government thinks this is reasonable but he is a part owner of a business and they can fix the books so that his income is very small (when in reality it isnt) and that is all she gets
• United States
29 May 07
I have just the one child and I can't imagine having to support her on just $467.00 month! Kid clothes are super expensive. Then there are the dentist bills, and braces. And, the fun extras that no child should be without. I can't imagine how he thinks that such a tiny amount would be enough to feed, house and clothe four children. He did live with you before, right? So, he would know exactly how much bills you are paying. He can't actually imagine that $467 us enough to pay all those kid bills. So, is he just fooling himself, or punishing the kids just to get back at you. I don't know. For the record, the mandated court child support payment is the minimum that a parent should pay. They shouldn't take it as the maximum and skate off into the sunset assuming everything is just fine. Just because things don't work out between two people, doesn't mean that his financial responsibility suddenly has ended. Just because he's not 50% of the marriage anymore, doesn't mean that he's suddenly become 50% Dad! His responsibility to be a good Dad hasn't stopped. If your Ex were smart he'd take care of his kids, and do the right thing, even if he had to get three jobs! Take his sorry butt back to court as many times as you need to get what your kids deserve. Don't let him get away with it!
@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
Thank you so much, You are so Right! and you know what the sad part is ...He has a 11 year old son prior to us having 4 that he pays NOTHING for never offered and his new wife is expecting any day. I think he needs to see what it takes to truly pay for children! We are going back! =) Thank you so much for your support I really appreciate it Stacy
@jackwa (28)
29 May 07
my ex was told to pay child support for my 3 year old son. nearly a year on he has not paid a penny. ok he is to young to have school trips and school clothes but he still needs his hair cut and food and other stuff but now i have given up. i keep telling myself i have managed this long with out his help i can manage in the future
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@stacy624 (2776)
• Canada
29 May 07
Don't give up, It really make me sad to see these men not care about the well-being for their children. Is there anyway you can take him back to court? I to had the problem of my Ex not paying until I went through a 3rd party who collects every last cent straight from his job, do you have anything like this where you are? If you can I would Check into this and see what your options are. Please keep me posted and Best of luck to you and your son Stacy