Pro Lifers need to simplify abortion for their cause...

Of course all life is worthy...even for the unborn child. We think too much of ourselves and what we think is best for us, but we need to think of others and in this case, the unborn child who has the right to life. God has a plan for EVERY life and only He has the right to decide when it should end for someone.

With all due respect, and I do not know you, but from what I have gathered you have had an abortion. If you don't regret having one, then why are you so defensive against those who appose abortion? Since when should others opposing opinions affect your life? I am pro-life, will always be, but I will say this. I can't control what another woman does with her body. I can only control my own. That is all I am worried about. If a woman decides to abort her unborn, that is something she will have to deal with. When abortion topics come up, religon does as well, and some people including me tend to forget that God is the only judge. Why should humans judge others?

No Ravenlady, you're not the only one. I sometimes feel they should change the name to "Pro-Fetus" and get it over with. It's all about the “baby” breathing air, they don’t even give a squat about the quality of life it will have. All they can say, is “someone” will adopt it. Yet, we have hundreds of children waiting to be adopted as we speak. Sure wish those “someone’s” would step up. Anyway I am getting off track, here. Yes Pro-lifers, at least the majority of them, treat anyone outside the fetus, invisible and unimportant.

I guess they want to speak for the one who doesn't have a voice. What gets me is the anti abortionist who blow up abortion clinics! Those lives that they take are not worth something? Come on! I am far from pro-abortion. I do not like it but realize there are instances it is needed. As birth control I completely disagree. As someone said in another discussion - people WANT to adopt newborns. If you were just careless; then why not give that child a chance? But that is just my opinion and I am not trying to judge anyone.

Ravenlady - I have read all your posts on here and my heart goes out to you and I agree with everything you have said. I am now and always have been pro-choice. I once took a friend of my daughters to a clinic for an abortion. The boy who got her pregnant was Catholic - but that didn;t stop his Mother giving her the money and telling her to go get an abortion. This same woman belonged to the right-to life movement. Different matter when it affected her little boy - who incidentally was an a$$ then and still is. When the firl and I got to the linic - there they were in all their clory - Right - To - Life - banners posters and all. The one thing that stuck me was that around 80% of those demonstrating were men. Now that struck me as - who in the heck are they to tell us women what to do.

Yes, all life is worthy, but if you feel that you need to take this as an option that is your right. People who feel they should be punished, well they will be. Because for the rest of their lives they will have to live with that choice. Even if at the time it seemed like a good idea. I would never tell anyone not to get an abortion, but i would help her see it may not be the best choice, but I will be their for them no matter what they decide because thy have the right to chose to do.

No, your criticism rests on the logical fallacy of equivocation all the best urban

All former fetus love to use the word fetus. It's a safe word for them. As a former fetus, the abortion issue is a separate issue from the problem of ding bats and retards, who open their legs everywhere, get pregnant and then do not care for their children. Or, just off them. Personal family finances are a separate issue. No child brought those issues to the table. The so-called adults did, but the child will be punished for the sins or stupidity of the father or mother. Having more children than you can handle is what? A birth control issue?

I think ALL life is worthy...that is why I am prolife, for someone to say that we arent thinking about the lives of the family is just appalling. If your family cant deal with another life, then you should kill it? So, if one of my kids is in a way challenged and thus creating some sort of burden on my family should we just shoot him? No way! If your family cant handle another baby, take precautions, tubal ligations, vasectomy's... You cant give 9 months of your life to YOUR child? Ok, so your family cant deal with another kid...Adoption!! I really cannot see this twisted logic. It sounds kind of selfish.

No Ravanladyj, you are not the only one who notices this. I have often asked what the difference is if someone gets an abortion and the person who kills the doctor who performs the abortion. They are both taking a life. There are a number of reasons that someone might feel the need to get an abortion. That is their choice and should be respected. For those that don't like the choice that another person has made well then when they are in the same situation they can chose the alternative.

What I love is the ones that claim all life is precious, specially when a child would be born with SEVERE deformities and definately would be better off dying in the womb than even chancing a birth. And yet every prolifer I've seen is saying it's humane to kill off all the pets if they have simple health issues.

Wow - I just sat and read all of the angry posts here. First, let me say I am 100% pro-life; however, before you stop reading or get angry again, let me go on. I worked in a crisis pregnancy clinic for 4 years. It is a non-profit ministry that thrives and operates on donations only (including 25 paid staff members). We helped the girls explore all of their options so they could make a FULLY informed decision. In those 4 years, I have seen girls choose life, choose abortion and place for adoption. Our main goal there is to walk with the girl no matter what her choice was. Yes, we wanted them to choose life for their child. We had resources to help them with that if they were young or low income or just plain scared. If she chose to place for adoption, we helped her find an adoption agency she could work with. If she chose abortion, we didn't kick her to the curb because she chose something we didn't like or support. We have an entire post-abortion program set up to help people that experienced abortion whether 2 days ago or 20 years ago. We never condemned someone for having an abortion. It is not an unforgivable sin. We don't use graphic pictures of aborted fetuses to make a point - that is the wrong approach, in my opinion. Yes, the baby is a big part of the picture, but more importantly, the girl, the boy, the parents, the family need the support and compassion. You will be ineffective if your agenda is only to save the unborn child. If you make the girl feel ashamed or worthless, your pro-life stance is void. Everyone involved is a life that is worthy. I'm sure you can tell that where I worked is a Christian ministry based on biblical standards. But there is nowhere in the Bible that I know of that says, one life is more important than another. God has a plan for all that he creates, but He has also given us a free will. In my opinion, abortion is never ok, but it is just that. . .my opinion. I'm sorry to all of you that have encountered pro-life extremists (the kind that blow up abortion clinics, tell you that you are a bad person, or try to make you feel shame).

That is a great point. I mean I think people get so caught up in the logistics of abortion and tend to focus in only on that that they don't even look at the bigger picture. Like facts that some people don't have the financial situation to have a child, may have other children and already struggling, or so many other reasons. I think that one should really look at the reasons that an individual is getting an abortion. If you are using abortion as your method of birth control- then there is a problem. However, if a mistake happened and after looking at your situation (financial, emotional, etc.) you realize you don't have what is needed to provide for and take care of this child during pregnancy or thereafter- then an abortion may be a suitable option for you.

I may not agree with your views, but I will try to never condemn you for having your own opinion or free will to do anything. As for the pro-lifers who pass judgment and condemn those who are pro-abortion, take time to think about WHY they have those views, and what their reasons are for having an abortion. Like I said, I am not going to have to answer for someone else having an abortion so why should I put another person down and condemn them? Think about it, some women who have abortions regret it for the rest of their life. Why should I make their guilt worse? Encourage them, talk to them and help them understand YOUR views rather than be hostile about it. I am VERY pro-life and proud of it. Why should I shove my views down someone elses throat? People need to worry what is going on with their own bodies, mind and soul before they harp on others. Raven, is soooooo right though. People can be flat out disgusting with their opinions. I sure would hate to be them and live the type of life the really live.

The logical difference is killing the baby life and changing of the parents life, and that the baby didn't make the decision to be created and is therefore not responsible for the consequences of the decision. But obviously abortion is more suitable in some cases where it was a mistake and has to be corrected.

Hi Ravenlady, I would just like you to consider the points I make here and understand I mean no disrespect for your opinion or your passion. While in college I had a close friend who decided to have and abortion. Her story is the same as everywoman who has ever confided in me through friendship that she has had abortion. My college friend was middle class and intelligent. Others I have known did not have our supportive upbringing. What she had in common with others of lesser means and undeducated women who I know about is this... At the point they were stuggling with making a decision they felt -horribly alone, scared and like failures. If any of the men in their lives had been loving and supportive that might have changed everything. I don't know your story but not having ever been in that situation I can only try to understand the depth of their desperation but can not. Was my friend smart enough to persue an adult relationship and be more responsible in terms of birth control, of course. That only added to her humiliation though. She went into such a dark place -she scared me. I think the solution to abortion is to offer women in this situation support and understanding to bring this precious life into the world and if they decide not to raise the child find someone who can. Reduce this desperation and the crushing burden only forced on women and we will reduce the need for abortion. Please separate our very real friends from the surreal political and exploitive political process. My friend could not got to her parents-In her mind that was not possible- I disagreed and considered risking our friendship to call them but didn't. The choice however misguided was hers to make. She doesn't deserve to be called selfish or be humiliated while leaving an abortion clinic by protestors for and against. She more than any of us is aware of the value of life.

I think your are in your opinion about abortion. And like you I have also my own about this. Abortion is an absolutely wrong and it is a crime of murder. And absolutely I am not favor for this. And I think the fetus have life and like us she/he have a right to see this wonderful world.

all thiis makes me think of what Ive always been taught in that you cant care for another till you can care for yourself sometimes we have to make hard choices and people dont agree with them luckily they arent in control of your life your life is yours and all you neeed to do is to be at peace with your own. No one can truly say you are wrong no one has lived your life felt your feelings etc we just have to learn to accept we are all different and make different choices doesnt mean you are wrong , right and wrong are our own perceptions man mad ideas cant right and wrong coexsist? raven I dont bellieve in abortion myself but I also dont bellieve you are a bad person for your choice you did what was right for you that isnt selfish if you werent able to care for yourself and your family it would not be fair for the child or your family.. thats my thoughts take care everyone