Open call to Catholics

United States
September 13, 2007 10:24am CST
I posted a discussion with questions regarding the Virgin Mary and other Catholic saints. I have had only a few responses but not a one from a Catholic. This is an open call to all of you to show us where your beliefs come from. Please understand that I am a former Roman Catholic and I have never found the answers to these questions in the bible. That is what I am looking for.... answers from the bible. I consider the bible the UNERRING word of God. I know that you believe in the bible but also the infallibility of the church. I don't consider ANY human infallible so I am returning to the word of God who IS infallible. So please find me scripture to answer questions about your beliefs. You only serve to help your religion not my beliefs if you can do so.
1 response
@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
13 Sep 07
You will be waiting a long time because there is no place in the bible that says to worship Mary, pray to saints or any of the other things that catholics do. However the catholic church is the oldest formal church in the world and also the largest and I would hazard to guess that the origins of such practice is from the pagan roots that can be seen in a lot of Christian churches and practices. Lets look at it for a minute, Jesus is the son of God and also is God (John 1:1) that makes Mary the mother of God, now the church wants pagans to stop worshiping their Gods and turn to the God of the bible so they gave them a Goddess, Mary. Most pagan religions have many deities, so the church gave them the saints. Now the church tells the pagans that unless they start praying to the "one true God" they will all burn in hell (a place that nobody wants to be) or worse be called out as a witch and murdered so pagans take a look at what they are being handed and find that there is a God, Goddess, and lesser deities and special days of worship coincide so why not move over to a faith of similar ways to save souls and lives. That is just my opinion of why the catholic church does the things they do. There was a time that the church told the people not to read the bible because they wouldn't understand it and the priest is trained to show them the way, so the people were at the mercy of men in power to give them the truth and teach them the right ways. As a matter of fact my recently passed grandmother remembers being told not to read the bible that she wouldn't understand it, but on the other hand my other grandmother has read the bible countless times in her life and she doesn't pray to saints and Mary. Take from this response what you will but it is the way of the church to hold the people at the mercy of their faith.
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• United States
13 Sep 07
Hi Addysmom - thanks for answering. I know that the beliefs are not biblical. I know that they have their origins in paganism. I have had several people defend the Catholic church but none can back it. SO that is the reason for this post and the one about Mary and the saints. I want to give them the opportunity to defend their beliefs using the unerring word of God NOT what they have been taught. Ex: a person uses scripture that encourages us to pray for one another as a defense for praying to saints but that verse was written to living people about living people. I would like to see how it supports praying to saints.
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@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
13 Sep 07
You will never get that defense from them and if you question them they will give you the old fall back excuse, "you just have to have faith". You have to love that one, they use it any time they can't defend their beliefs or they don't know the answer. As a former Catholic you have had your eyes opened to the truth about the bible to them that makes you dangerous because now you are asking questions. I say good for you, question away and make them give you a real answer.
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• United States
13 Sep 07
Thanks mum. God called me to him while I was actually in Catholic school. Every day in religion class I was uneasy. I had this feeling so deep in me that what I was learning wasn't right. I began to question the nun and got in trouble for doing so. Then began preparation for confirmation and I KNEW it was all a crock. How on earth can a man annointing your forehead with oil give you the seal of the holy spirit? It can't only God can do it. They have tried to support themselves a few times but never with proof that it is scriptual but rather with proof that it is not not scriptual (in other words they give things to say "well it says this and that doesn't say you can't do this" - I hope I made some sense).