Cost of a higher education too high?

education - not for everyone and that's a fact
@arkaf61 (10881)
Canada
September 30, 2007 11:00pm CST
Maybe I am wrong but are we going back - or are we still - to the times where a higher education is just for the rich? I have to be honest, I never gave too much thought to the cost of my own education. I know I probably should have but at that time my life was easy and my parents had no trouble affording it, so it never became something I really needed to think about. University seemed to be something that I would naturally go trough and even though sometimes we would talk about about it money never really come to be an issue. But that was then, and this is now. I am not leaving at the expense of my parents and indeed my life take a few turns to the complicated side. Money is an issue and I am now thinking at university prices and joining in thought all the people that I used to hear talking about the prohibitive costs. At that time I was young and since there was never a problem or a doubt about me going to university I'm afraid I didn't really understand what they meant. I do now. MY daughter is finishing high school next year and wants to study law. I want her to. I really do. But unless she gets a few scholarships and a few grants I"m not really sure of how I will do it. I am looking at tuition fees, books cost, this.. that....are they crazy or is it just an elite that can go to university without worries but the hard studying? I feel so in the middle ages! Educating the youth should be governments main concern and costs should not be in such a way that only some can do it without getting themselves or their parents in debt for life. They're the future after all.
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@myjack (132)
• China
1 Oct 07
I quiet agree with you.The tuition fees became higher and higher,buu I really don't understand the reason.I will tell you the situation in China,in 1980s,the higher education inmy country is called "elite education",quite a small ratio of the graduates from high school could enter universities or colleges,and the fees isn't a beg problem for the students ,for quite amount of fees are paid by our goverment.However,just in the last decade,due to the population soar seriously every year and the needs of the development of our nation,universitis recruit more and more students ,on the contrary ,the fees rocket at the same time.you know what,the tuition cost nearly half of the yearly income for most families,that even excludes the other fees,and the goverment don't pay for them any longer.So I hope the goverment and some organs of our country could resort to some measures to ease up this situation.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
1 Oct 07
I hope the same. If education is to be our expense - which is fair enough - the least that could be done was to make it affordable. I've seen plenty of that in the past and thought it wouldn't happen in the present. Just because someone is rich and can afford it, doesn't mean that they will be a good whatever it is that they set out to be. I remember a case of a friend that went through almost all possible courses - the parents could afford it of course - he didn't really want to be anything in special, studied medicine for 1 year, it wasn't his cup of tea so studied architecture for about 2 years, didn't work either, this and that he ended up settling for law but isn't a good lawyer either. Still he took the space of people that really wanted to be one of those things, just because his parents could afford it. What a waste! Meanwhile there are people who really want and could be a good - something, whatever it is that they want to be - and can't because it's almost impossible to afford it all.
@myjack (132)
• China
1 Oct 07
I sympathize with what you said.The high tuition has caused many tragedies.In China,every year,many students had passed the entriance examination,but,just because they can't afford the tuition,they had to give up the precious oppotunity.Though recent years,the goverment has provided some loans and scholarships for the students,however,that couldn't solve the problem for everyone,quite a lot of families have to undertake the heavy burden.
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
10 Oct 07
i Know what you mean. And it's a pity isn't it. In my opinion just because a person has enough money for the tuition doesn't mean that it's the best person to be a professional in the field. ANd sometimes that ones that would be better, can't afford it. Shouldn't be like that. It should depend on people's abilities and not money.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
30 Oct 07
I can understand your concern with the cost if higher education. Like almost everything the government gets involved with costs more to operate. In the US it is the rich and the poor that get to go to college. The rich because they can afford it and the poor because the governement pays for it. If your parents are working for a wage and make over $60,000 combined income then you are not elegiable for most financial aid programs that are based on financial need. You can compeate for preformanc based scholorships. Society seems to put more importance on the poor getting an education than the middle class. I talked to a congress man once and his reponce was look at what I was earning now and I should have been putting money away all along for my children's education. I pointed out that It was only in the last two or three years that I was was making this amount and and before that I was paying off my student loans and the cost of my Masters Degree. The Congressmans responce was you have to draw the line some where. I have helped my children attend college and and it is not easy. My daughters are still paying off the loans. They also worked two jobs in the summer and two or three part time jobs during the school year. To pay for college my sons have joined the Military (they also felt an obligation to the country to pay back and protect our freedoms) and have money for college. When a professor found out that my daughter was paying her way and working in college to cover the expences he told her she was either very rich (combined family income less than $90,000)or her father was stupid for not lying on the college financial aid application. Inhder class of 30 students only 2 were not receiving financial aid. THe best way a colleg can get more money is to threaten increas costs and then the state and federal governmnet will increas the fincanal aid to help the poor students. You recrute the poor and get your money up front and then these students drop out and they keep the money.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
31 Oct 07
If you were in the US you might be considered amoung the very rich. According to the IRS the very rich are the people who make $75,000 or more and they pay clost to 80% of the taxes. The bottom 25% receive most of the government assistance. Of the poor in the US 46% own their home, 75% own a car, 95% have one or more color TV's, VCR, DVD Players. A recient study found the over half of the population considered below poverity are overweight. I had a friend who due to a poor relationship had to make major changes in her life. She had to accept government aid for two years. She was then able to get a job as a teacher and started at $29,000 with a 80 mile a day round trip commute. When she sat down and figured her government aid vs her teaching salary. She was shocked but not suprised when she thought about it but she was taking a $6,000 cut in benifits by working. It seems that the government is trying to make everyone equal. IF you have money they will take it (20% of the people pay 80% of the taxes) and give it to the bottom 20% trying to see that they have every benifit that the working class has. We need to stop this I am entitled to everything I want with out working for it.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
30 Oct 07
You are right, of course. If we had a lower income my daughter would be able to have more help. It almost makes us want to be poor! We're a typical middle class family. Our income is not that bad, but it didn't allow us much saving for our children's education either since we were also paying of our own loans. SO where does that leave us? Making too much to benefit from most help, and making to little to be able to afford it without help. A shame, really.
@Fishmomma (11377)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I have a daughter in college now. The cost is to high for many families, so they end up in debt. College loans can take some people over 10 years to pay them back. I speak from experience, as I paid off my loans, which took me almost 14 years.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
10 Oct 07
I hear you. It's just that in my opinion it should have to be like that. I know Universities need funding, but governments should pay more attention to education - instead of all the silly things they pay attention to. After all they can give grants to research the most crazy things, they spend money on the most ridiculous things, but fall short in one of the most important things.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
30 Oct 07
I know what you're saying, arka, but it varies a lot depending on what you are. From what I know and have heard, Higher education is extremely expensive in countries like the USA, and also expensive (maybe not so much but still very much) in others like Canada, etc. There are countries in which there are free loans for students etc. In here, In Spain, university education is relatively cheap, which is good. You can go to a public university and get public help so that the burden is not too big. Obviously, if you choose a private option things get way more expensive, but public universities have a good quality in Spain.
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
30 Oct 07
Yes we actually have been considering letting her go back to Portugal for her University studies. The situation there is very close to what you describe in Spain. The cost of public university is not that high. Or course private is another story, but public universities in Portugal are very good. I just have trouble understanding how some countries can do this and then some that are said to be more "advanced" can't. WHo knows, in the end, my daughter will go back to Portugal again and we will be able to make things do without the huge loans needed here.
@wisedragon (2325)
• Philippines
2 Oct 07
I agree schools keep on increasing their tuition fees. I'm not gonna fall into that trap because I know that schools can only teach you 10% of everything you need to know. They cannot teach financial intelligence because the professors themselves are probably financially illiterate. So why spend 100% of your savings for 10% knowledge? Sounds like crap to me.
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
30 Oct 07
I see your point, however a formal higher education is needed more an more when applying to jobs or just to follow the profession you choose. SO those who actually want to continue their education are faced with great financial challenges.
@fhm1987 (243)
• Pakistan
9 Oct 07
I agree with u that govt. should be responsible for educating nationals of a country. Today's most universities are private sector needing finance of students. They claim to provide quality education but quality education is the one which is free and accessible for every individual of a state. Hats off to India and China where the institues impart cheap quality education comparable and competable with renowned institues of west.
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
30 Oct 07
Yes. Claiming better quality - which is questionable sometimes - private universities continue to grow and charge incredibly high tuition fees making it sometimes close to impossible for people to afford them. I was talking to a friend that told me that her daughter finished her studies with a debt of over 100 thousand dollars. This is not acceptable.
@ssh123 (31073)
• India
4 Nov 07
In India we have a system called COMMON ENTRANCE TEST (CET). After preuniversity course, students prepare for CET exams and if they pass with distinction, they get govt. allocation seat in medical, engineering, dental colleges where the fees is reasonable. There is second category which is known as PAID SEATS where they have to pay lump sum money to the college autorities for giving the seat. THERE is a third category called MANAGEMENT QUOTA where the price to be paid is quite high and one can get into this slot this is quite expensive and as much as a US university charges. People who get low ranking in the exams get into this category. So it is important that the students are preuiversity level score high ranks in the CET exams to avoid payment of exhobitant fees and donationsto the college. As you said , the higher education has really become expensive mainly due to increase in population, resulting in increase in cost of land and constructiom of building for universities and less and less government contribution towards education. Obviously people (parents) have to work hard, save a lot and work overtime to earn the money to educate their children. On the other hand if a family has couple of youngsters, once they get a job, the quantity of money they bring in, the family can wipe out the debts in two years. Plenty of job opportunities are available for graduates, professionals etc.
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
1 Oct 07
That's been an issue here in my country eversince, even those public schools and Unviersities cannot seem to avoid having a tuition fee hike. Teachers, intructors and others than work on schools are now finding jobs abroad because they earn less from what they do for work here. It really makes matters worse for those who cannot pay much but wants to continue their studies, these tuition hikes only benefits those who are working for such authorities concerning education. I don't know if these can be settled anymore, that I believe all of my hopes are starting to disappear.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
10 Oct 07
Unfortunately things don't look good. WHich puzzles me because without good professionals at any level a country can't keep up. Attention should be paid and we should get away from medieval practices. Yes in the middle ages only the very rich had the right of an education , but that was hundreds of years ago... it should be something of the past... not the present
@Lovett (464)
• India
1 Oct 07
Hey I agree totally with u...I m in this situation right now friend. You know I m wanting to do a masters of forensic science in Australia. I got the offer letter for a Uni called Bond Uni, but I dunno y I did not get a scholarship , causeI was always a distinctio holder till my grad. The fees then are so so high, that I could not afford it, n my Dad said the same thing,, Higher Edu is always for Rich people , we middle class are not meant for these courses. This hurt me realy badly. My dad is not so encouraging like my mom,u know, shesaid dont worry try another one n I have applied for one, lets see wat the results are!!But u r so true my friend!
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
10 Oct 07
I can understand your situation. As I said in another response, it is sad. Just becuase everyone in your family is a doctor, and your family has enough money to pay for your University education, it doesn't mean that you will be a good doctor , right? I know this is just an example but it should be what counts. I know, however, that unfortunately your dad is kind of right, but one would think that nowadays things would have improved.
@laurika (4532)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Yes I agree it is very high.In my country we actually don't pay for the education, but still it is a lot of money for parents, since they have to pay for books, transportation and accomodation and many other things.But there is a new thing in our education system, when you study more then 5 years you have to pay fee.What is really stupid I think, beucase there are many kids, who have to work and study at once.