don't pray about the book of mormon!

@ParaTed2k (22980)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 12, 2007 2:35pm CST
A friend of mine recieved an Email with this warning. "Don't Pray About the Book of Mormon, That is How They Get You In!". Now, I'm not sure how this works. Christians are telling other Christians NOT to pray? Aren't we supposed to seek God's counsel in all things? As Christians, don't we strive to live according to Christ's will? The Book of Mormon claims to be Scripture. The fact is, it either is or isn't. I don't know about you, but to me, if something claims to be the word of God, I don't see where praying about it is out of line. I mean, can a Christian ever be wrong in praying about anything? I may be wrong, but to me what is wrong is telling Christians not to pray... in fact, The Bible teaches that it is Satan who tempts us to not pray.
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
13 Nov 07
I have an ex-friend in my building who is mormon. She says that they told her in the mormon church or somewhere that she should pray about whether or not the mormon religion is real. If it is, she would get some kind of warm feeling to assure her that is was. Now, come on, I know I do not need to go there. She also gave me a copy of the book of mormon. I skimmed through it and put it down for a while and eventually I disposed of it. I have heard what she has to say and I have studied the religion a little over the internet. I have also read about the life of this Joseph Smith guy. Not to be one to put down anyone else's religion, but I believe that it is a cult and I am not falling for it.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
You all but ignored the Book of Mormon, looked to other people's opinions of the LDS Church and even the life of Joseph Smith. Since the Book of Mormon doens't claim to be the opinions of others, or the life of Joseph Smith, was that a real investigation of the book? If you put as little effort into your job as you put in the Book of Mormon, would you still have a job? Of course, you have every right to your opinion of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and you have every right to voice it. In fact, I thank you for doing so. However, it doesn't seem like you did much to come to your conclusion.
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
13 Nov 07
Believe me, before when I responded I was trying to be nice. First of all, why would Joseph Smith need to write a second Bible, when the original said all that was needed to know. I read about Joseph Smith being married to more than one wife and how it was printed in the newspaper and Joseph had the place burned down. He was taken to jail and killed at least one person before he was killed. My ex-friend claims that Jesus and the devil are brothers. She said that God is on a planet somewhere having children with his wife. She said that mormons believe that the darker your skin, the more cursed you are. Not to mention the fact that some believe you can have more than one wife. She believes that a prophet healed her and not God. She believes that a Christian hast to be perfect to get to heaven. Therefore, she is very self righteous and no one really likes her. Her best friend is my roommate, she says that this girl is jealous of me. What more do I need to know. If I research a religion and I don't find anything good about it, why would I continue my search. It doesn't benefit me in the least. The only reason I read as much as I did was because I wanted to know what was wrong with this girl's belief system. I am satisfied now.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
Well, you certainly did your homework but from what you are saying (and the words you are using) I'd say your sources were more from those hate than those who love, but again, that is your choice. Your ex-friend also sounds like she has a few screws loose and needs to learn a bit about compassion and love, but that is her problems, not the LDS church's. Anyway, it's up to you to decide what to accept and what not to. In the end, that is what we will all be judged on, and I'm just as happy that it will be Christ who judges Mankind, not me. ;~D
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@Modestah (11192)
• United States
13 Nov 07
um, yes, that sounds like a rather odd request. I did pray regarding the LDS faith and the book of mormon years ago when I was going through my spiritual searching. I did not like the implication from those who were teaching me that I prayed errantly or not fervently enough when I was not compelled to become a member of their faith. now, this may have just been those half a dozen people I was in contact with or it may be the routine answer. but, it did not set well with me. *shrug* but, as far as telling some one else to not pray, that is confounding. isn't it?
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
I wish I could tell you why you didn't get an answer, it could have been what they said, it also could be just a matter of timing, that's between you and God. I'm glad to hear that you at least tried though, and yes, it is confounding to hear people of faith tell others not to go to God for answers.
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• United States
13 Nov 07
All religions are a cult if you ask me. Religions are so primative. Then again, humans are still primates if they are still killing each other and fighting over petty and meaningless things such as this.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
Who is killing people over the Book of Mormon? As far as I know, that hasn't happened since the the time the Federal Government declared war on the Mormons and sent U.S. Army Artillery Units to the Salt Lake Valley.
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• United States
13 Nov 07
I was not saying that anyone is killing anyone over the "Book of Mormon", I am just saying that it is a cult and it is primative like all other religions out there. I do not believe in religion, I think religions are a joke. If you want to believe in the "Book of Mormon", then go ahead and believe what you want, but do not force others into believing what you believe in and do not expect everyone to be accepting of your beliefs.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure how anyone "forces" anyone else to believe in anything. You are free to laugh at religion, or even religious people. Heck, if the line is funny, I might even laugh along with you (even if it's at my own expense). For people who don't believe in prayer or God, that's fine, don't pray about it. I'm just entertained by people who DO believe in God and prayer when they tell others NOT to pray. ;~D
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• United States
13 Nov 07
I don't understand why certain Christians put down other Christians? There are different paths that are under the Christian label. I thought that all you have to do to be a Christian is believe in Christ. And if that is really true, then any form of Christianity is as same as all the others.
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19 Apr 08
have you ever read the book of mormon? Please give me one verse that even begins to be equil to the bible.
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• United States
19 Apr 08
It doesn't have to equal the Bibe. When did this become a competition?
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@katprice (807)
• United States
27 May 10
Mormons are not Christians.
• Canada
29 Mar 08
My husband is a Mormon, and I'm a Presbyterian. I plan on staying as I am, and he plans on staying as he is. Two Missionaries who thought otherwise, tried to convert me and BEGGED ME to pray about becoming a Mormon. I told them NO, because I do no pray for anything someone tries to force me to pray about. I did pray, though. This is what I prayed. Dear God. Please help my husband and I to understand eachother's faiths, yet to still remain strong in our own. Please help those from our respective churches to understand that neither of us plans to convert, and that all religions are important in the world today. Please encourage indiiduality and unity in us and in the rest of the world, and helpmy husband and I to do what is right for us, without the influence of other people. Amen THAT is how I prayed. Don't play that the Missionaries message is meaningul to you, that is to say, that you will come around to their way of thinking, rather pray that you will do what is right for YOU!!!!!! Unfortunately prayer, and influencing your prayer is how they get you involved. If you don't let them influence you, you will do what is TRULY right for you.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Mar 08
Fair enough. The only thing I would disagree with here is, instead of praying for what is right for "YOU", we should pray for what God wants for "US". After all, he's the only one who gets to say what is truly right for us and what isn't. I wish a long and happy life for you and your husband... and hope that the problems that usually befall any mixed faith marriage only serve to give you two more reason to work together instead of tearing you apart.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Mar 08
PS: Once in awhile we (as LDS) need to remind ourselves of our own 11th Article of Faith... "We claim the privalege of worshipping almight God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege. Let them worship how, where and what they may." ~~~~ If anyone tries to "proselyte" you again, just smile, thank them for their concern and tell them that if you have any questions, you'll ask your husband. ;~)
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• New Zealand
28 Apr 08
HI there. I am on the same side as the discussion writer is. I am not sorry that I am either cos I totally agree with him and that is that. You are taking your choice and your Husband is taking his choice and that is good in some ways cos you are using what God gave you - your Freedom to Choose. Catch ya later.
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@shae24 (20)
• United States
13 Nov 07
I totally agree. You can't go wrong with praying, and if your prayers are going in the wrong direction, fine, God will correct that in you, atleast you are talking to him and seeking him. If one does not agree with the book of Mormon, then why not pray to God to change that, and if you do agree with it, then why not pray? I personally do not agree with it, but I do beleive that when you are praying, about anything, you are recognizing God and fellowshiping with him, and he loves that and will take care of the rest.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
Exactly! It doesn't matter what the question is, if someone is wondering about it, it is never wrong to pray about it.
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• United States
19 Apr 08
This is an old discussion, but I thought it is interesting. The email sounds rude and misrepresenting. Anyone who professes faith in God would not tell someone to not pray. That is our means of communicating with Him. How is He supposed to let us know if we are on the right track or the wrong one. I had been a member of the LDS church for a little over 5 years(attending on and off), well I guess I am probably still considered a member but haven't attended the church for several years. I felt the presence of God while I was there, and received plenty of blessings and hope through my time there. But I became stagnant in my spiritual growth, so I moved on. That's what I do. If there is truth in something, it fills you and helps you grow. But just like schools, soon you have to move on. peace and blessings
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Apr 08
Exactly! In fact, my studying tells me that there is only 1 who teaches us not to pray...
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@katprice (807)
• United States
27 May 10
momma, the original post deals specifically with praying about the Book of Mormon, not prayer in general. No need to "pray about it" anyway! The Word of God in The Bible - Deuteronomy (4:2) clearly states that we are not to add unto these words. Adding to The Bible is a no-no!
• United States
16 Nov 07
I have to agree with you, PT2k. Whether it's the Book of Mormon or anything else I might be concerned about, my response as a Christian is to pray. I'd be rather wary of any Christian telling me not to. I pray about most things, from small things to whom I should vote for to major issues.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Nov 07
Thank you! What gets me is, these people say they are Christian, but scripture tells us who it is that teaches Man not to pray... right?
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@katprice (807)
• United States
27 May 10
God has already made His will clear about these books. (See Galatians 1:6-9) Therefore, to ignore what God has already said - and to still ask him anyway - is to ignore what He has already stated. Deuteronomy 4:2 says, Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you. Praying about something God has already made clear is to ignore God's word to us, and allows us to fall into error.
@MntlWard (880)
• United States
13 Nov 07
That email is probably from one of those groups who think Mormonism is a pagan religion, because it's not the flavor of Christianity that group prefers. This might also be a part of a smear campaign against Mitt Romney by some other candidate in the primary. In my mind, if prayer works, then it will tell you the truth about the Book of Mormon, I would think. If that's convincing people to convert to the LDS church, then maybe there's something to it. I don't really believe in prayer, but it does seem odd that folks who believe in prayer think it will mislead people.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Nov 07
Agreed! If you don't believe in prayer, that is one thing, but for people who do, prayer should be the First order of business to know if something is the word of God. To these people it seems they'd rather you listen to them than go to God.
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• New Zealand
28 Apr 08
Hi there. Totally agreed Mntl Ward (398), I would have to totally agree there cos there seems to be more and more people who think that of this Religion. I may be back it up cos I am one of their Members, but I am not doing cos of having to either cos there is such a thing as choice, I could have totally ignored this topic and just gone on my own Mary way but I am not that ignorant where the Church is concerned and don't just out right ignore it online as if I was nothing to do with them. Catch ya later.
• New Zealand
28 Apr 08
Hi there. If they choose to not pray about the book then that is entirely their choice but as for me I am not that worried about supposedly being sucked into the Religion. I am a Member and I have not been sucked in yet. It is entirely My Choice and I have chosen to do what I have been asked. I may not have an answer or maybe I have just not heard my answer or it could be possibly that I have just ignored the answer or not been the way God would like me to be but that is just the thing we are not all perfect and we don't listen all the time. I am sorry anybody if I sound like I am preaching - I am not trying to. I am just trying to reply to this discussion the best way I can. Catch ya later.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Apr 08
True, if they choose not to pray about the Book of Mormon (or anything else) that is their choice. But I question anyone who claims to believe in God, but would tell someone else to listen the them instead of praying to our Heavenly Father.
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• United States
20 Apr 08
If you go to the website of Barnes and Noble and search 'mormonism' you will see books with titles like "Escape", "God's Brothel", "shattered Dreams" and "the God Makers", a book that I read myself several years ago. These books are written by former members of the LDS church. In "The God Makers", the author does a very good job of describing the origins of the church. Joseph Smith was only 14(?) when he prayed for a new religion. He was also illiterate when he wrote the Book of Mormon. Most people in the rank and file don't have any idea what the church teaches and what the leadership believes. Like they do believe in what is called a "Burning in the bosom" when praying about Mormonism. They also believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers and God is their Father, and that God was once a man and that Good Mormon MEN, when they die, will get their own planet and many wives with which to populate that planet with "spirit Babies". Their doctrine has changed many many times over the years. (even though JS received it from God.) They call the Book Of Mormon "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" and that it was given to him by "Angels". TheY claim it is compatible with the Bible. Yet The Bible says in Gal.1:8 But even if we or AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, should preach to you a different Gospel he is to be accursed. and in Rev 22 it says that anyone who adds to this book would have all of the curses of this book added to them. (anathema)
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Apr 08
Those books are jokes. Yes, they were written by former Mormons, but there lies show nothing but hatred. There is another book called, "The Truth About the Godmakers", which details the falsehoods, half truths and misrepresentations Decker and Hunt were willing to go in their "ministry". I remember in Desert Storm, a Muslim man handed me a couple of pamphlets about Christianity. I read them, just to see what they had to say. You could have taken the names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and replaced them with Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. It read almost the same as the anti Mormon filth that you recommend here. The pamphlets also questioned the origins of the books of the New Testament and claimed that Jesus' body was never placed in the tomb at all, but carried off and given a Muslim burial fitting a prophet of Islam. If you choose to disagree with LDS doctrine, that is fine. You have every right to disagree. However, if you are going to disagree, wouldn't it be better to find out what we truly believe, and then learn if it is God's truth from Him, instead of reading trash from a few people who have more of an ax to grind against the LDS church than a "ministry"? btw, as far as "adding to the word" it says the same thing in Deutoronomy, so unless you are trying to say that everything past there is false, you need a new argument. John the Revelator was talking about adding to what he wrote. He wasn't telling God that He has to shut up now. ;~D
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@stephang (47)
16 Nov 07
OK after reading all your responses I think I need to clear a few things up. I am a member of the LDS Church (Mormon). For the start I have seen the picture and I doubt that it is real. There are some websites where you can create stuff like that. I also don't think that any Church would make a public sign like this. Now I have prayed about the Book of Mormon and I did get that feeling that it was true. It is not here to replace the Bible but its here to help us to come closer to God. We don't believe that you have to be perfect to go to heaven. We can't become perfect in this live. Its purely not possible. So to belive that would just be silly. We also don't belive that the darker your skin is the more you are cursed. If we are healed we always believe that God has healed us. He is the all powerfull and all mighty one. He has the power to do it and he does it sometimes through other people. There is also loads of false things about the Mormons on the Internet. If I want to find something out about the Baptists I would not go to the Jehovha Witnesses or the Methodists. I would go to the Baptists. If I want to find something out about BMW i wouldn't go to Mercedes or Dodge. So if you want to find something out about the LDS Church I suggest you go there. If there have been Missionaries that have been angry to you because you didn't accept their message then they are absolutly wrong. Our Church doesn't tell them to be angry. We respect everyones believes and so if you say sorry i don't believe that the book of mormon is true then they should accept that and move on. Hope this clarifies a few things.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Nov 07
Well done.
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@Pitgull (1523)
• United States
18 Apr 08
There inlies the hypocrisy...
@stephang (47)
19 Nov 07
I found that website where you can create church signs online http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/
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@katprice (807)
• United States
24 Apr 09
I think that it could be taken to mean that praying about it is a form of self-brainwashing. What you think about, you bring about, after all. The "pray about it" phrase is used quite often in the organization and it is a way of steering people to see things their way.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
24 Apr 09
Wow! Praying=brainwashing? I have heard a lot of wild interpretations of the term "brainwashing", but that is among the wildest. Most people misuse that word, in fact it's rare to read the word in the context of it's actual definition.
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@katprice (807)
• United States
15 May 09
Nowhere did I say that praying equals brainwashing. Praying about something leads to concentrating on it, thereby giving energy to it and ultimately manifesting it. That's a form of self-brainwashing. It's a tactic your organization uses when someone needs a little push to see things their way.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 May 09
"Nowhere did I say that praying equals brainwashing." Oh really? What did you mean by this then? "I think that it could be taken to mean that praying about it is a form of self-brainwashing." If you think anyone can be brainwashed while living out in the public, you need to re-examine your understanding of what brainwashing is. People join and leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints every day, if the leaders are trying to brainwashing us, they are doing a pretty poor job of it.
@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
29 Mar 08
I am no longer in the church, but I spent a few years in the LDS church. I still believe that the book is true. I prayed about it a lot! I also believe that the men who have run the church have corrupted it. Just like man has done to everything Holy since the tree in the Garden of Eden. I would never tell anyone not to pray about anything. I would just add to pray about the book AND the church.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Mar 08
While I disagree with you about the "corruption" part, I totally agree with your point. Faith isn't a matter of not having it one day then 'poof' you have it all the next. Each time we learn something new, we need to question it. The way I question things is I take it to our Heavenly Father in prayer. After all, His definition of truth is the only one that will matter at the judgement day.
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• United States
29 Mar 08
By corrupted, I meant changed to be what man wants. And I do the same. I prayed, at first, about the truth of the Book. I still believe it to be true. I later prayed about the church and if that was where I should be. I am no longer there. I am actually ordained now and perform a street ministery.
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• United States
16 May 09
If Christians are telling other people not to pray, they aren't Christians. Seriously. That's like seeing your preacher at Hooters.