Did the judge steal his neighbors land? What if it was your land?
By ladyluna
@ladyluna (7004)
United States
November 14, 2007 10:28am CST
Hello All,
There's a firestorm brewing in Colorado. A retired judge has sued for, and been awarded 34% of a parcel of land, adjacent to his own property, that is owned by a neighbor.
The judge has been trespassing on the vacant lot next door for years. And, now that the owner, who lives in the same neighborhood, wants to fence the lot, the judge used the legal system to demand ownership of better than 1/3 of this piece of property.
The legal owner has been paying taxes for years. And, has attended to the care of the property. In other words, weed control, etc... So, the land was not abandoned. It was not condemned. It was not confiscated for back taxes. Quite simply, the retired judge wanted it, and used the legal system to get it.
Here's the link to the story.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58670
What are your thoughts?
Do American's have property rights, anymore?
Should the judge be able to lay claim to this parcel?
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@frecklelip334 (1668)
• United States
14 Nov 07
i know. i'm in colorado myself, and this makes me suspicious of EVERYONE and EVERYTHING right now. i can't trust anyone, and that makes me sad, but we have to protect ourselves anymore. it's all just so ridiculous. i could go off on a huge rant right now, but choose not too!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Thanks for the follow up Frecklelip.
Well, I'm glad that Boulder isn't your style. I don't live too far south of yáll, so I'm pretty familiar with the insane antics of Boulder. As often as I'm stunned by the local politics of Santa Fe, there is no doubt that Boulder is truly the Twilight Zone, even as compared to Santa Fe.
What, specifically, do you like so much about Glenwood Springs? Isn't Glenwood Springs in the western part of the state? I think that we've driven through it, but I'm drawing a blank.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Hello Frecklelip334,
Are you in the Boulder area?
I completely understand why you'd prefer to avoid the huge rant. No pressures. Just a friendly reminder that since your are a CO resident, that you at least have the option to start hammering your state legislators, and other elected reps to start applying pressure.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, Freckle!
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@frecklelip334 (1668)
• United States
15 Nov 07
no ladyluna i don't live in the boulder area, not my style! haha!
however yes, i'm about ready to rant to our legislature on SEVERAL issues concerning colorado lately. it's getting hard for me to love colorado like i always have...i'm a native, but am almost looking to get out of here...too much nonsense going on right now and i feel i am being pushed out by certain minorites and pushed out of good neighborhoods, cuz it's all so dang expensive anymore...no land is safe, they have to build build build on all of it, all the dang cookie-cutter homes, it's ridiculous. i would love to move to glenwood springs, such a town of proud people who take pride in their land and the true culture and history of colorado!
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@titaniumsoul (1191)
• Singapore
15 Nov 07
I will say good luck to the retired judge. He has to take care the large parcel of land all by himself. Ha Ha Ha. If it was my land, I will ask for his evidence of ownership else he has to pay money for it.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Hello Titaniumsoul,
(Chuckle, chuckle) Too funny!
You make a very good point about demanding proof of ownership. I'm confident that the owner did raise such concerns. How else would we, the reader, know that the owner has paid the taxes owed consistently and timely?
What is really sleazy about this scam is that the retired judge is most likely using very antiquated, no longer appropriate, obscure laws to steal this land. It stinks in so many ways.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by. I always look forward to your participation.
@titaniumsoul (1191)
• Singapore
16 Nov 07
Whether he got the land through stinky or honest ways, he still have to take care of that large parcel of land. I think the retired judge has too much money to spend, how about asking him to send some amount to me, I gladly accept it. Just kidding.
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@titaniumsoul (1191)
• Singapore
16 Nov 07
Whether he got the land through stinky or honest ways, he still have to take care of that large parcel of land. I think the retired judge has too much money to spend, how about asking him to send some amount to me, I gladly accept it.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Good for you for starting this discussion. I almost did, too. But I pooped out and did not get around to it.
This man and his wife are members of the bar. A judge and a lawyer. To some of "these people" the rest of us are sheep to be shorn given that we have antiquated obsolete concepts like right and wrong. These two did this merely because they knew they could. "These people" can only be avoided and ignored when and where possible.
I personally think the fact the orginal owner was current on his taxes proves he should be allowed to retain title. If not, the new owner should be required to at least reimburse the taxes the "real" owner paid over the years.
The judge and lawyer wife must have some "pull" with the local legal establishment to get away with this crap.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Great observations and speculation Red!
I concur with your points.
Of course, going after a refund of 34% of the prior taxes paid for all those years would be an submission to the courts decision. That I would not do, until I'd exhausted every other avenue.
Given the size of the lot, the legal owner may not be able to sell the remaining 66%, because it may not meet the minimum lot size requirements. This is what I suspect the judge is angling for. If the legal owner cannot sell it, as complying with current zoning laws, then the only option is to hold on to it, or sell it to the owner of an adjacent property.
This is not a new trick. It is however, sleazy any way ya' look at it.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I don't think we have ever had many property rights. The IRS and government can come along and take your property. I think we are only renting property, even when we pay taxes, upkeep and the originl cost. This is appalling when the legal system fails the legal owner. This judge dude has no morals or integrity as far as I can see. This is outright stealing. I totally disagree with the judge (that title is a hoot!) being able to lay claim to this property. Sounds like some left-over laws from the late 1800's are still on the books.
By the way, think about this. True freedom comes not from ownership, but by owning nothing. Think of all the things you own and how they end up owning you. This in the form of paying taxes, insurance, upkeep, etc and the time spent to maintain all this property. Is it worth the time spent worrying about losing the things you have? Even holding cash can be temporary, as it can lose value over time. Just a thought.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Hello Sigma,
I have long agreed with you about the absurdity of us renting our own property. It is a real thorn in my side.
I agree that this judge is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Of course, you phrased it much more politely -- " ... no morals or integrity...".
If it were me, I would counter sue for rent for the judge's unauthorized use of my property for all those years. I would also file criminal trespassing charges, and I would darned well finish putting up the fence, while I appealed the case.
I understand what you're saying about freedom by way of no attachments to inanimate objects. However, I'm pretty 'old school'. So, I'm rather fond of property rights.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
14 Nov 07
That eminent domains case awhile back demonstrated that property owners have no rights if someone wants your property bad enough.
This judge is a criminal and a thief, he has already admitted to illegally trespassing on this property for a long period of time, and used this fact as the basis for stealing his neighbor's property in court.
No, the judge should not have been able to lay claim to that property, and it looks like he capitalized on his relationship and contacts with the court system to get his judge buddy to find in his favor.
This is a fine example of the law abusing property owners.
There was a time when stealing a person's land would get you shot by the owner.
Now the law helps you to steal it, if you have the right connections.
Am I the only one to notice that this judge is very possibly a democrat considering that his plaintiff partner is the former chairman of the Democratic Party in Boulder county?
That kind of helps further illustrate how the democrats view private property and citizens rights.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
14 Nov 07
This is one of the more outrageous examples of this sort of thing. Here is another link with lots of info on the same scoundrels:
http://www.landgrabber.org/
Stories that make an honest person's toes curl. But you know, the more history you read, and the more life experience you get, the more you begin to realize that this is not anything new. The difference is that the internet brings things to the limelight that used to happen but they got swept under the dirt. Many of those westerns people watch on the movie channel has some basis is fact underlying the plots despite all the Hollywood hype. Fencing off people's creeks to steal the water, cattle rustling, tearing down people's fences are dramatic examples. But thievery is going on all the time right under our noses, isn't it? What about that judge (blissfully now former judge?) who sued the poor couple who ran a laundry, pretending that he was grievously harmed over a misplaced suit? Of course, it was his own lawsuit that was misplaced, along with his common sense and sense of decency, but see how you get me off on tangents? There needs to be a huge public outcry whenever these kinds of things happen, but the public, that is you and me, is too overwhelmed with other kinds of silly bureaucracy to have time to take out and act on every incident. And the perpetrators know that.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Hello Drannhh,
Thanks for the second link. Very informative article.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get your toes a'curlin, or off on all sorts of tangents. Well, that's not really true. I love your tangents. They're always informative and entertaining. So, I guess I'm not really sorry about that part. Yet, the toes ... I am sorry for that. Unless of course, you incorporate your toe curling into your yoga stretching ... (ar, ar, ar)
Yes, fortunately the internet does allow us, live 24x7 access to learn of these old style, yet still oh-so-sleazy tricks.
Let not your heart be hardened, my friend. If Farah posted the story, then you can bet there will be that "... huge public outcry...". Sadly, Boulder is so full of completely nutty residents, and administrators, that we have no guarantees that a huge public outcry will affect any change at all.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Hmm, the Ostrich? I'll have to learn that one Drannhh. I can think of certain times where that pose would be very helpful.
Of course you're right! There's nothing funny about what this bottom-dwelling former judge is trying to get away with. As is the case in most instances, education and awareness are our most powerful weapons to combat these kinds of ravages against decency. It's good to know the Ostridge pose, yet not so good to be stuck in it.
I hope you had a lovely shopping adventure!
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Fear not! After doing just enough yoga to uncurl my toes, I did the best possible remedy for news-induced stress...went shopping. Sorry for having been so humorless, but there just isn't anything funny about people abusing their authority and getting by with it. You did well to bring the issue to the attention of myLotopia, though, because we cannot stand around with our heads in the sand all of the time. Doesn't sound like any yoga pose I know. The ostrich, maybe?
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
15 Nov 07
People with power have been abusing it as long as there have been people with power. Yes, it's wrong.
As Destiny pointed out, in this case it was related to the Democrats, but I knew that as soon as I saw the story was on World Net Daily. They wouldn't report on a Republican abuse of power, except to make excuses for it.
@seabeauty (1480)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Oh wow that is scary. You mean my neighbors could take my land from me just because they want it?
This is a first.
Being a retired judge was to his advantage. He knows the laws and could get away with something like that.
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