Auto Insurance Industry Encourages Drunk Driving...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 31, 2007 10:19am CST
As if anyone needed another example of how scummy the auto insurance industry is, my own agent gave me one. Ok, you are at a party, and your friend gets loaded. You are sober, so you take the keys from your friend and drive him home. On the way home you get in a car accident. Guess what. Industry "standard" says that you are on your own. You aren't covered. Yes, you are usually covered when you drive a friend's car with their permission, but the bottom feeding "lawyers" for the car insurance industry have successfully argued that a drunk person can't give consent. So there you have it folks, the insurance industry would rather have you drive drunk than let a sober friend take the keys and drive you home.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
31 Dec 07
Actually the auto insurance industry promotes the use of taxis or having drunks sleep over. If you drive them home in their vehicle and then have someone pick you up; you have just left a drunk unattended with the keys to their own vehicle and you have no way of knowing what they are going to do. That is why, if you are going to drive your friend home, you take them in YOUR car: and, the next day, you take your drunk friend back to pick up their own car when they have had a chance to sober up.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Dec 07
So, if your friend is too drunk to drive, don't take their keys from them and drive them home... Give me a break!!!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Jan 08
But what if a group went to the party in one car... and it isn't yours.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
1 Jan 08
"So, if your friend is too drunk to drive, don't take their keys from them and drive them home... Give me a break!!!" I did NOT say not to drive them home. I said do not drive them home in THEIR vehicle and then leave them at home with their vehicle AND their keys. Or, are you too cheap to use your gas to take them home and then pick them up the next morning so that they can get their car when they are sober. I also said to call them a taxi or shuttle: especially, if YOU have had a drink or two yourself.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
2 Jan 08
Well, I guess the way around this is to remove the keys from all of your guests upon their arrival, while they are sober. At this point, they have the ability to give consent. Our laws are screwed up, that is the problem with too many lawyers. And always remember - no good deed goes unpunished.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Jan 08
"No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"... Words to live by. :~D
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
2 Jan 08
The insurance industry is kind of a dirty racket. What other legal business sells you a product or service they hope not to ever provide? Yeah, I know plenty of people have been saved from financial ruin when their insurance provider comes through, but many others have been left out in the cold because of some legal technicality that allows the provider not to pay for the client's loss.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Jan 08
Too true! Even when I was a paramedic, I wanted to provide the service for which I'd been trained. I didn't wish harm to anyone, but I did want to be there when it happened. ;~D
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
31 Dec 07
Since I don't drive I never knew this about car insurance. I think the best thing to do would have people sign a statement before they start drinking giving friends permission to drive their vehicle. You have to learn to be a step ahead of people like insurance companies.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Dec 07
Yeah, apparently you have to think like a scum sucking lawyer to avoid needing one. ;~D
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• Canada
31 Dec 07
well couldn't you argue that he told you ahead of time that if he was too drunk that you can drive or you can say you drove the car there with him and you are driving him back. There must be something more to the argument...
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Jan 08
Their is... they are scum.
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• United States
31 Dec 07
Hmmm...well that's...dumb! What if the friend was planning on getting drunk, and therefore, asked you to come along and be their designated driver, before hand? Are you not covered in a case like that as well? Just curious.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Dec 07
According to my agent, as long as the permission to drive your car is given while you are still sober, the friend will be covered.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
2 Jan 08
I have a problem with this, and I can't quit put my finger on it yet. AS you know I work in an insurance agency, and I'm really baffled as to where your agent is getting his information from. Was this case involving a private attorney for the insured? Or was it subrrogated between the two companies? I had a situation like this with one of my policyholders. She was too drunk to drive and gave her keys to her boyfriend. He proceeded to drink knowing full well he'd have to drive home. He became intoxicated and got in an accident on the way home, he hit a parked car on the street. Although our insured was negligent in giving her keys to him, we paid the claim, then went after his insurance company to recoup the loss since he was physically the driver. I guess maybe the difference in this case is that she gave consent. Every company does things differently. But what it boils down to is whoever is physically driving is also responsible for having insurance if they are going to be driving. Yeah, you were doing the drunk a favor by driving them home, but it's called an accident for a reason. I'm sure an attorney could successfully argue that had the person not been drinking to begin with the sober person wouldn't have had to drive. There are a lot of fine lines, and I'm the first one to admit I have issues sometimes with insurance practices, but I really don't think drunk driving is encouraged. I also wanted to address the poster that made the remark about insurance being an industry where you pay for a service and the company hopes you never have to use it. Of course they hope you never have to use it, but on the other hand if you are ever in the situation where you need it I'll bet your grateful it's there.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Jan 08
I've asked a few other agents from different agencies and they all seem to know abou this case and use some equivalent of the term "industry standard" in defending the decision. It could be a Wisconsin thing though. I also know that my title was a bit over the top, but I do think that this policy would tend to discourage someone from taking the keys from a drunk person and driving them home.. which to me is the last line of defense against letting a person drive drunk. I know I've had to make a few claims in my life... and while I still cringe when paying my premium, I was glad I had insurance when I needed it.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
2 Jan 08
You're right Para, it may be a "Wisconsin thing". I'm licensed in WI and IL, but do most of my business in Illinois, obviously because that's where I am. I don't really understand Wisconsins laws. Last I knew it wasn't even mandatory to have auto insurance there. Which totally blows me away. Nothing against Wisconsin, I lived there for quite some time, but with the amount of drinking that goes on in that state you'd think insurance would be mandatory! LOL