Oregon Transgender Man Says He's Pregnant

@Debs_place (10524)
United States
March 26, 2008 8:02am CST
Ok, this guy is born a female, kept his female organs but became a male. He got married, his wife has a hysterectomy so he has decided to use his female organs to have a baby. Her family does not realize he is transgendered. Many health care professionals won't deal with him. It is downright confusing to me at least, Biologically he is the mother, yet he is the child's father. How will this impact this child? And society and our laws? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341595,00.html What do you think?
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@Ravenladyj (22936)
• United States
26 Mar 08
wow thats a new one....BUT whatever works for them (the couple) HOWEVER one thing I find HIGHLY disturbing is the simple fact that the medical community won't do their damn jobs!! I think that is just HORRID and shameful in all honesty...We're talkign about the well being of a child AND the "mother" of that child and her (his) health.... "Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs. Health care professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognize Nancy as my wife," Beatie said. "Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive" I find that absolutely REPULSIVE...its disgusting, cruel, hateful, narrowminded and they should ALL be damn well ashamed of themselves as far as I'm concerned!
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@reinydawn (11649)
• United States
27 Mar 08
Ravenladyj - if I had the power to give you best respone, you'd get it!! WELL SAID!
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@mememama (3077)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Good for them, they love each other and want a baby, hmmm sounds like a lot of couples right? The person that is pregnant used to be a female, became a male but kept his uterus. He fell in love with a woman, who can't bear children, so he used his uterus to carry the baby. I must be very liberal cause it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me! I think our society is too conservative for this situation, which is a shame. There is no law against such things, thank goodness, so it can't affect that.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Have you forgotten about the child????? Its the child you need to consider...I could care less about the 2 weirdo's..............
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@mememama (3077)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I don't consider them weirdos. I didn't forget about the child, sounds like this couple loves each other and would love that child. Can't say that all straight/hetero/non-transgender people feel that way. Open up your mind a bit, it doesn't hurt I swear.
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@foxyfire33 (10009)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I agree with you mememama. I really don't understand the big deal. I know he lives as a man now but this isn't all that different from a lesbian couple using donor sperm to get pregnant. And even less confusing IMO than gay men using a surrogate and a donor egg that they impregnate with their mixed together sperm, which I have heard of happening. Bottom line is, it's a loving couple who want to be parents together, the world needs more of that and what difference does it make who carries the baby.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I read over this report a couple of times to make sure I had everything straight in my head. Personally I think it takes a lot of courage for what they are doing. Considering how some will view them and how the medical field is giving them trouble. Personally all that really matters, in my opinion, is if the child will be loved and well taken care of. That is what is important. Now a days what is normal for a family? Most of my niece's friends don't come from the nuclear family most of us were raised to believe in. They come from single parents, divorced parents and so on. Some live with grandparents or with aunts/uncles while others have their mother and a step father along with father and a stepmother then there are some who have two mothers or fathers. I don't feel it matters so long as the child is raise with love and caring; their needs are taken care of and they are given support from their parent(s). The rest is just superficial nonsense. I think society as a whole needs to stop looking at the outer trappings and worry more about what really counts. Can they have this child and raise it in a healthy, safe, and loving atmosphere? If the answer is yes then leave them alone and let them do what needs to be done.
@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
27 Mar 08
You are 100% right, if we lived in an ideal world, but that poor little girl will have many issues to deal with, just because kids can be cruel.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
27 Mar 08
The thing is though unless someone tells the kids that the parents aren't the normal mother/father pair how would they know? By the time the child is born and old enough to be around other kids the one will look like a father and the one a mother so unless the parents of other kids cause problems it shouldn't be an issue.
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• Singapore
27 Mar 08
it's pasted on the World Wide Web for all to see.
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@foxyfire33 (10009)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Ehh...yeah it's confusing but there are more confusing situations out there. These are two parents who obviously are very serious about becoming parents so what difference does it make who carries the baby? Honestly I bet a lot of wives wish their husbabnds could have that role anyway. It's sad that he is being treated so unfairly by the medical profession. I hope he continues to have a safe and healthy pregnancy. And as for how this affects the child...I don't remember sitting around with my friends talking about when my mom was pregnant with me or how I was conceived so unless other parents are gossipy and spread it around I don't see how it's going to be an issue. Society and laws? Society will have to get over it as I'm sure he's not the only one out there. There aren't laws in place now saying who is an appropriate parent or who is allowed to be pregnant so this shouldn't change anything.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Please!!! you honestly cannot see that this child will be confused?
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@foxyfire33 (10009)
• United States
26 Mar 08
How will it be confusing to have a father and mother who love her? I could have hatched from an egg for all I cared as long as I was loved by my parents.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Well if you had 2 mothers walking around it would be ok,but ;if you have 2 momma's and one is a man momma it could be confusing to the child...That child will ask "Why are you my Momma but you are a man? thats all im saying...
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I think it's awful that medical professionals are treating this family in any way that's less than professional. Whether or not a doctor approves of a person's lifestyle, should have no bearing on the care that doctor gives his patient. The article doesn't mention who is biologically the child's father. I'm assuming they went through a sperm bank, but I'd be curious to know. I understand a bit about how hormone replacement therapy works for transgendered people. Not an expert by any means, but a very good friend of mine is TS and I have helped her sort through her own research- I'd be concerned about stopping his injections the way he did. As I understand it, he could be taking some serious health risks and it can even radically effect his mental health. I'd guess that going from being chemically male to being not only female but pregnant as well and all of the hormone changes that brings about could be a very high risk and dangerous condition to be in- all the more reason doctors should be handling his care professionally and helping to protect his health.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Whatever!
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@mememama (3077)
• United States
26 Mar 08
wow, you are so mature!
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I try to think of the child!
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@Ldyjarhead (10157)
• United States
26 Mar 08
That's just nuts. I can't even imagine a woman going along with such a thing. If he kept his female organs, then does that make his wife a lesbian or what? I'm totally confused. I can't imagine a child born of such an arrangement have hopes of being raised in any form of normalcy. How sad to distort a life in such a manner.
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• Singapore
26 Mar 08
yeah... how did the pregnancy happen!!! i personally am not in favor of manipulating the law of God. He made you a man and you stay as it is... Goodness! technology is a double edged sword!
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Yes they are lesbians and playing like a man and woman to the outside world....Don't be confused its a simple matter of 2 women acting like they are husband and wife...I am like you ,this poor child will be born into a horrible situation..I feel sorry for this innocent baby......
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@Ldyjarhead (10157)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I don't care what other parts she added, if the female parts are still there and she is pregnant, then he can't be a he!
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Haha this is soooooooo weird to me...I really pity the poor little child that is born into this family,and they wonder why kids are so messed up...People like this needs to have their heads examined .....Imagine what kind of mixed up values this poor child will face ....
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
26 Mar 08
I don't understand your "whatever" response to my reply above, and I don't know how you can assume to know anything about these people just based on this information. I know MANY transgendered people raising families. To say that they're all messed up, or automatically doing a poor job parenting just because they're transgendered is out of line. They're people, just like any other not inherently good or bad because of their gender.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Well i also know a few trassies' as well,they are nice people and my friends...I just feel bringing a baby into this will confuse the baby..You have to admit it is not a " normal setting" so what will the baby think?How will it affect the baby?Thats all i meant..
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
27 Mar 08
Even if the parents are perfect, kids will be cruel and that poor child will have to deal with a lot.
26 Mar 08
I feel quite sorry for this person. I have knew a girl that was born with both sexes. There's a word for them but i cant think of it - sorry. I know she was forever taking hormones swing her body one way or the other, but she was always very confused. It was even harder when she started dating. I think shes more or less given up on that idea these days because it always ended in disaster. Then last year when I found out my friend was a cross dresser. I wasnt too surprised the reason he kept it secret was because society is still very narrow minded and Im sure his mother wouldnt be too happy to discover her beautiful little boy always wanted to be a little girl. Its just these two people has been driven to the point where they both nearly hit rock bottom because they become outcast once the truth is revealed. The gent in your story would've had his sanity tested again and again before the change. I agree with some of the comments as far as that he did make the choice, but from where im sitting, this is a pretty hard life and any bit of happiness should be welcomed. Hopefully his child would be an open minded, loving and understanding person. Dont you love diversity ?
• Singapore
27 Mar 08
I think the word you're looking for is "hermaphrodite".
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
27 Mar 08
Hermaphrodite is one word for it and inter-sexed is another.
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
Yes, it is a confusing world. ANd diversity does provide some interesting situations. But where would we be without it..in a boring world.
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@wickedangel (1636)
• Dominican Republic
26 Mar 08
Ouch! I think if she has become a he then really that's that. For me this situation is like having your cake and eating it (if you'll excuse the expression!) I think it is wonderful that there is a possibility for the family to have children but honestly what is this going to be like for the kid when it grows up. The amount of confusion it will feel and can you imagine the bullying from other kids etc. - that is not a good start for the kid, I think it is going to be awful for it. As far as I'm concerned he made the decision to become a man and should leave it at that. I agree it is completley confusing. I'm still trying to get my head around the person being both the mother and the father, I was surprised that s/he could fulfill both roles! My goodness don't people today want everything and now medicine is allowing these situtations to confuse us.
@eden32 (3976)
• United States
26 Mar 08
He can't be the bio-dad, not sure who is but it would be impossible. If he had gender reassignment surgery, which he hasn't- he would have the 'fixtures' of a man but not the 'plumbing', sorry to use baby-talk but MyLot doesn't approve of using correct terms for reproductive organs. The wife in this family is a biological female, so she couldn't be the father either. When he is quoted as saying his wife is the child's mother and he is the child's father, I have to assume he means in terms of how the child will be raised. The wife (bio-female) will not be biologically related to this child, the transgendered dad is the biological mother but will be raising the child as the father.
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• United States
27 Mar 08
Unless they used the wife's eggs.
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I agree, it is so confusing, someday that kid will look at the Mom - the actual female Mom and say 'you can't tell me what to do , you are not my Mother and the kid will be right, Of course if the kid says to the Father /birth mother - you can't tell me what to do, you are not my father - that would be true because the guy is legally a female but saying you are not my mother to a man who is your birth mother ....is down right confusing. The poor kid will go through all kinds of harassment. I hope the parents move where they are not known and I hope the kid never has to give a medical history....did you Mom have a normal pregnancy with you....just does one begin to answer that question.
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@paid2write (5202)
27 Mar 08
I think really this man has reverted to being a woman as he stopped taking the hormones to restart the female reproductive cycle. 'He' will be the natural mother and it is no different to any couple going for treatment at a fertility clinic where sperm has to be donated. I think the child will grow up in a normal loving family with a mother and a father. When the child is old enough I think it will be easy to understand that daddy was sometimes a woman and was able to give birth when his wife could not.
@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
The child may eventually understand..but I don't think it will be easy.
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22 Jul 08
Thank you for marking my response. I think I have seen some photos of this mother who has now given birth to his/her baby.
@ersmommy1 (12597)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Wow. "Which way did he go, George?" Confusing is putting it lightly. I can understand why many doctors won't deal with him. And his/her family doesn't know that they have a trans-gender family member? If he cannot tell his family, how will he explain things to a child? WOW!
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Why would the parents be obligated to explain it to the child? Many parents who adopt choose not to tell the child,I may not agree with that approach but it's not my place to make those decisions for another's family. The person birthing the child looks like a man, and will be a father to the child- the one not birthing the child looks like a woman (or rather is a woman) she will be a mother to the child. It's unsafe for many in the transgendered community to out themselves, sadly even some families could be a risk to the TG person. It's not uncommon for gays to remain in the closet for the same reasons. The problem isn't with the tg person or the gay person, it's with the person or family who would harm a person for their identity.
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
27 Mar 08
That is the problem...society, the people that the child will have to live with. And right, if adults don't know or understand, how can a kid understand. And as for the doctors--this person has undergone multiple surgical procedures to change gender and have been taking hormones and probably other meds, what is the risk to the person doing this. OBs tend to have very high malpractice and and I would think this would be a high risk pregnancy.
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@sid556 (30997)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I saw this on the news. It is pretty bizarre but technology and science have now made such things possible. I have no idea how this will impact the child as it has never been done. The child will have two loving parents and that will count for a lot. If anything will be harmful to this child it will be the media attention and other people.
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
Yes, media attention could make or break this child.
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@izathewzia (5141)
• Philippines
27 Mar 08
This is amazing! How it does it happened? And how will the child will take it? I still go for the normal procedure of getting pregnant. So there will be no confusions. And the child will not suffer in the long run.
@sid556 (30997)
• United States
27 Mar 08
And some babies are created in test tubes and then we have surrogate mothers and this is different how? it is but not that much when you think on it. The child was planned and being born into a loving family.
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@Gesusdid (1681)
• United States
26 Mar 08
thats crazy he's originally a she but is a man , with a baby ? wow i hope and pray that kid gets a great deal of counciling lol and hope and pray they dont break out the birth pictures when the child gets up and age and starts to date like " Ohhh here's your father giving birth to you " with the dad with a full beard and all , i hate to say it but whats next ?
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I don't know what is next, and I agree. Life has become way to confusing.
@jackgym (276)
• Australia
28 Mar 08
The poor bugger swallowed a water melon seed!
@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
That is certainly a simpler way of looking at it..and maybe explaining it to small children , sort of like the stork brought the baby. Hey it worked for us.
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@winterose (39898)
• Canada
28 Mar 08
outside he is a man with the insides of a woman, it is pretty complicated and I do not know how children deal with it, it is all very new these things were never done 50 years ago.
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
I don't things were done like this 30 years ago, sometimes it is difficult to know what to say to people since our mores have changed so much the last few years. So many things are out in the open, and so different, yet so many people continue to be offended by them. And if something like this is in the family...people takes stands on both sides and you never know which way they are going.
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@Galena (9123)
27 Mar 08
good for him. I'm sure the child will grow up with mum being the mum, and him being the dad, and all is well. this way they get to have a child that is biologically at least one of theirs, and if they have a good loving home for that child then you'd have to be pretty heartless to condemn it.
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
I don't condemn the action..but I do question what will be the long term outcome. 20 years from now. And I hope for the sake of the child that the parents never get a divorce.
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@sanell (2114)
• United States
27 Mar 08
It is very brave of them but let's face it, she is a she....for now, and later when the child comes, he will be a he. It is almost like why should people care, they are creating their family, why is it so hard to believe that he could not be the father? What about single moms, they play both roles usually right?
@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
Yes, single parents play both roles, but I have never called myself a father, nor dressed as a male or asked people to call me a he. I did play in a father-son hockey game (and I was not the worse one out there) but this is very different. And you are right she is a she. and I am not sure..without having the proper genitals that she can be called a he. It is confusing.
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• United States
27 Mar 08
First thing I'd like to say is that the health care profession needs to deal with this guy if he's really pregnant because that would be a real baby that he is carrying that needs attention. Second, if he wanted to be male so much to go through all that he did, then he should have adopted a child rather than "temporarily" becoming a woman again. But, that's his choice and he and his family have to live with it. If they're fine with all that, then I don't really care. I also heard that this might be a hoax, so it will be interesting to see how this turns out because the truth always comes out.
@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
Yes, I too have heard that it is a hoax...but time will tell
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@crazed_moma (1054)
• United States
26 Mar 08
"Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy’s family doesn’t even know I’m transgender." unmmmmm they do now!
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
28 Mar 08
And what a way to find out....
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