Why Harvard, Just Why?

@rodney850 (2145)
United States
April 9, 2008 9:21am CST
In an article I read today by Georgie Anne Geyer I was not only shocked but dumbfounded by the actions of one of the oldest Christian universities in America! I will not rewrite the article but will let you people read it for yourself here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucgg/20080408/cm_ucgg/exercisingarrogance I want to know exactly why and under what circumstances you abandon your principles to pacify a group of people who will not be happy no matter where they squat in this world!!!? They bring their customs and religious practices with them from their part of the world which is fine by me; but when they start being offended by MY customs and MY religious practices and want ME to change for them, that is where I draw the line. Shame on you Harvard!
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@MntlWard (880)
• United States
9 Apr 08
Isn't religious freedom something we hold dear in this country? Harvard is a private institution, so they don't necessarily have the Constitutional mandate to facilitate religious expression, but as a private institution, they are free to make *their own choices* as to how they cater to their students who are paying them a buttload of tuition. Furthermore, to say that Harvard is a "Christian school" is misleading. It may have been founded as a Christian school, but it's not a Christian school in the same vein as (for example) Bob Jones or Liberty Universities.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
9 Apr 08
MntlWard, Although it is true our country is founded on religious freedom the one thing that rings true here is "pacify". Why should the school policies and day to day routines of the majority of the students be significantly changed to pacify the few Muslims that attend? If you, as a Muslim, CHOOSE to attend an American school, Christian or no, you as a Muslim shouldn't be so arrogant as to expect special treatment!
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@MntlWard (880)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Has it crossed your mind that there are likely to be *American* Muslims attending this *American* school, and are you sure that these concessions were "demanded" rather than simply requested?
@Destiny007 (5819)
• United States
9 Apr 08
There are way too many in America who are all too willing to appease and tolerate things which are detrimental to us as a nation. Why should we give up our souls to tolerate anything that should not be allowed in the first place. People who come to America for a better life, better education or whatever other reason should be expected to accept us AS WE ARE, and not try to change our culture to fit into what they just left. If they miss their old culture so much then I suggest they take the next plane home, or boat, or wade back across the Rio Grande. We as Americans have a proud culture which to me is much more valuable than some imported one foisted upon us by some homesick foreigner. If you don't like us as we are, then instead of trying to changes us to fit your ideals I suggest you go back where you came from.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
9 Apr 08
Destiny, A great big AMEN to that! We as Americans had better wake up to the slow undermining of our culture before it is too late!
• United States
9 Apr 08
This was a very good article. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I hope everyone reads it. It is so true. What am I talking about? Go read the article. It's worth the time.
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@eden32 (3975)
• United States
9 Apr 08
I don't think anyone needs to abandon their own principles or beliefs to be tolerant of others. In this article we're talking about students attending Harvard. I pulled this from an article in the Harvard Gazette,"This year, Harvard's tuition is $26,066 and the total cost of attendance, including tuition, room, board, and other charges is $37,928." with tuition that high, it's not hardly accurate to say 'where they squat...'. The call to prayer and a time of day when women can exercise alone is not unreasonable or exceptional requests. It's as reasonable as a blind person asking for special permission to have their seeing eye dog on campus. It doesn't stop another from exercising their religious customs or from exercising in the gym during co-ed times.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
9 Apr 08
Eden32, By squat I meant general geography not necessarily Harvard University. Yes it is JUST an occasional "call to prayer" and JUST allowing for a time for the women to exercise alone but where does it end and what do we give up next? If you or I immigrated to Iraq or Iran or Syria or any other Muslim country do you think for one minute concessions like these would be made for us? Not in this lifetime!
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@eden32 (3975)
• United States
9 Apr 08
You and I wouldn't immigrate to Iran, Iraq or Syria and expect religious tolerance. We know that that is not part of the political climate of those countries. The United States is (at least on paper) a country that protects religious freedoms, personal freedoms, etc. I'm failing to see what anyone has given up to allow these things to happen. Students asked for some things to be added to student life at Harvard. Any student can ask for provisions or changes, and if it's deemed reasonable I'm sure those changes are made. It stops when the changes are unreasonable. That's pretty much how life works on any level. If your child's curfew is 8pm, and they ask to extend it to 9 for a special occasion. You decide if it's reasonable and answer accordingly. If you had said yes, and that leads your child to ask for it to be pushed to 10 now; you would say no because now it's an unreasonable request. Back to the article, women asked for private time in the gym (let's assume they asked for 1 hour each day) they were told yes, if next week they ask for 1 hour each day but 6 additional hours on Tuesdays; well now that's unreasonable. Or if they said thank you for the 1 hour, but we want the hour that the men's basketball team usually use it; again that's unreasonable.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
9 Apr 08
The problem I see here Eden is not necessarily these small concessions but in the big picture, where does it all end? For example a small drip coming from a dam is very insignificant when it is just a drip but the erosion factor when water is moving at any rate soon makes the drip a dribble which in turn becomes a stream and so on. I dare say if this was any Christain religion making these requests the ACLU would be all over it!By the way you are right, I would NEVER relocate to a middle eastern country!
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@goergineo (1498)
• Jordan
11 Apr 08
Why are putting shame on harvard. Harvard is great man. and it is just an opinion. do not over react.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
11 Apr 08
I thought I was shaming Harvard University, I didn't know the man!
@gewcew23 (8010)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I know this is hard for some to understand but America was founded by, may I dare say Christians. Sorry how many founders of this country were muslim, just an idea. To some you just cannot appease everyone. If you appease one group you might offend another.
• China
10 Apr 08
In China,I mean we do not abandon our principles to pacify those guys. If they want me to change for them.That is impossible.
• United States
9 Apr 08
What has happened to our backbone and pride when we allow this to happen. Of course lets not forget the illegal immigrants who can get benefits, think we should not speak English and we are doing nothing about it. Maybe the illegals should get together with the muslims and fight it our who is gong to win in taking over our country because we DAMN SURE DON'T SEEM TO CARE.