Stop interfering - for goodness sakes!

Australia
May 11, 2008 1:44am CST
You know, one of the things I really hate is when people interfere in things that are absolutely none of their business. Take yesterday for example. I was at work as a checkout operator in the grocery store when I heard a young child screaming as she entered (she would have been about two years old). The timbre of her voice indicated that she was throwing a tantrum for some reason. She was laying in the shopping trolley kicking and screaming. Her mother picked her up and tried to pacify her but she just continued kicking, arching her back, wriggling and screaming even louder. Eventually she managed to wriggle out of her mothers arms and threw herself down on the floor and continued her tantrum. Her mother stood beside her, following the instructions of the text books to just let the child cry it out. After about five minutes of this a crowd started collecting around them arguing with the mother about it being wrong to treat the child so etc. By this time the little girl was actually starting to calm down, moments of silence between bellows, not quite so loud etc... so the tactic was gradually working. All of a sudden this woman (no relative... different nationality altogether) just picked the little girl up off the floor and placed her back in the trolley. Well, of course the sudden attention caused the child to increase her protestations once again so she went right back to where she started. The woman who had put her back in the trolley started to wheel the trolley into the store with the mother trailing behind her. I heard the poor child screaming the whole way around the store. In this situation I felt sorry for both the mother and child. The mother was doing the right thing by allowing her child to calm down on her own but nosey people had to come and interfere with the situation... like they had any right to do so. Now I know it's hard to listen to a child screaming inconsolably like that. If the child had been hurt perhaps help would have been appropriate but because she was only throwing a tantrum interfering only caused the situation to worsen. What would you do in a situation like that? Would you approve of the mothers strategy? Would you feel you should intervene? Personally, the whole situation made my blood boil. I felt like going over to the woman who picked the girl up and telling her to put her down again and stop butting her nose in where it wasn't wanted or needed... but I was working so couldn't do anything about it.
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• United States
11 May 08
Sounds to me like the women knew each other. If the mother proceeded to follow her around the store? If thats the case they may be inlaws or just friends. I personally would have removed little miss from the store spanked her bottom and took her home. Then she would have gone to bed and I would have a sitter so I could return to the store. However if she did not know the lady then there would have been another scene in the store me taking the lady out!! Strangers should never interfere.
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• New Zealand
11 May 08
Unfortunately, if that were to happen in NZ and many other pc correct countries in the world if you spanked your child you would be arrested and end up in court. What a wonderful, if sometimes stupid, world we live in.
• Australia
11 May 08
I received the impression that the ladies did NOT know each other from the way the one that took control was talking. She was merely being overly assertive (bossy) and telling the mother how to handle the situation... which the mother was already handling perfectly well. And as rover said, unfortunately we can't just spank a child in public without being vulnerable to child abuse accusations... and there is no point punishing a child 5, 10 or 20 minutes later because by then they have completely forgotten the incident and would not understand why they were being punished.
• United States
12 May 08
Then I stand corrected. No way would I have tolerated someone interfering that way! The lady should be ashamed of herself. From raising five children of my own I have learned that what worked with one did not work with another and as parents we must be allowed to parent our children in our way! (abuse of course is out of the question)
@Amberina (1541)
• United States
11 May 08
I think the woman who stuck her nose in is probably a control freak, the mom should have stood up to her an just as the control freak went to reach for the child the mom should have put a stop to it right then and there. Controlling people need someone to put them in their place.
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• Australia
11 May 08
I'd say calling the woman a control freak is probably correct. But as with most control freaks, they tend to be intimidating and that makes it difficult for less assertive people to resist them. My father was a control freak and quite frankly, people like that traumatize me. I'm only gradually learning to stand up for my own rights against jerks like that. In that particular situation however, I would not have hesitated to tell the woman to get her hands off my child. If she had not I would have been calling for security or using my mobile cellphone to call police.
@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
12 May 08
Is she not a close friend? Unbelievable! I mean if she is totally s stranger, I don't think so it's proper to do it. I would agree with the moter's strategy, She knows best her child SO I am pretty sure it was the best method to stopher, If I was the mother, I will start insulting those people by minding their own business and own life! Just very unpleasant!@
• United States
14 May 08
Very true maybe she thought that she was able to help, I know in reality, it will give some trauma to the kid , she is completely stranger, I don't understand why there are people who are really like that, I will just pray that I will never encounter such or else I know, I will be bad! Cheers!
• Australia
13 May 08
I agree entirely. I received the impression that the woman was a complete stranger. If that had been me in the mothers place I would have been extremely angry and would have told her to get her hands off my kid (while inside I seethed and felt like hitting her).
• Australia
14 May 08
In a situation like that... you go grrl... be as bad as you like.
@naty1941 (2336)
• United States
11 May 08
I agree with you 100 percent. People should not interfer unless the child is in danger of hurting herself or others. The mother was doing just fine and the child was trying to manipulate the situation.
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• Australia
11 May 08
I don't know about manipulating the situation as she was a little too young for that... but she was certainly trying to manipulate her mother for whatever reason. I applaud her mothers stance, she stayed calm despite the childs behaviour, she watched over her but let her scream it out. Until that other woman interfered everything was going fine. Interfering like that is just so wrong.
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@jcj_111776 (3216)
• Philippines
12 May 08
I've been a mom for almost 5 years now. And with my son, I've seen all the tantrums. Now, whenever I see a child having a fit especially in a public place, I completely understand how the mother feels. But I will not intervene like that. For one thing, it's a total disrespect for the mom. And it will only confuse the child. Mom's always the one who disciplines her and all of a sudden, a stranger pops out from nowhere and whisks her away like that! I approved of what the Mom had done. To just let her child slowly calm down on her own, as long as her child can still see her. To assure the child that Mom is just there. It's just a little uncomfortable for tantrums to happen in a public place. Especially when there are those who thinks that the parent "lets" the child misbehave. They don't understand the real situation and they assume that they know better. It will always be a different tactic of pacifying a child for every parent. Because I've experienced that for my nephew, trying to pacify him during his tantrum makes it worse. His mom explained to me that in a few minutes, he will calm down and eventually stop crying and screaming. I would have intervened in some way if I've witnessed that the child is being physically inappropriately hurt by the mom that made her cry like that. But if it was a tantrum and it's plain to see that the child is not harmed in any way, I might have said something to the mom to at least help her feel a little better.
• Philippines
12 May 08
I was the same way too when I was younger. I thought as soon as a child cry, we should pick them up at once to pacify them. But we know better now.Before I became a mom, I was actually like some of those criticizing people. I thought it was indeed a sign of bad parenting to just let children cry their eyes out until they're spent and tired. But first hand experience was a big wake up call for me. I learned from my son that trying to pacify him at once is not just applicable all the time. Maybe the day of understanding and realization will come for those criticizing people too.
• Australia
13 May 08
Well, we can hope they will learn but I doubt it. My experience has shown that people who have 'been there and done that' still tend to forget what it's like to deal with a willful child. And their means of dealing with it changes. I remember my mum would send me to my room when I was screaming. Now she can't handle my kids doing it and seems to think I should do something about it and not just let them cry. Not that the two older ones do that now LOL.
• Australia
12 May 08
Yes, I would have supported the mother. In fact, the customer I was serving at the time went over and told her she was doing the right thing. I remember the first time I saw that tactic used I was horrified. I had a housewarming and my partners cousin came to it. Her son was about 18 months old and he chucked a wobbly, she just put him on the floor and let him scream. Being an inexperienced 20 year old I tried to pick him up and he just squirmed and screamed louder so I just left him on the floor and let him yell. His mum explained to me that doing that was the best way to deal with it. Which is something I now know to be true. Shock! Horror! I actually interfered myself... LOL. But as I say, I now know better.
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@Malyck (3425)
• Australia
11 May 08
Excuse the terminology, but what a f*cking b*tch! Even if she was a relative or friend, she is not the child's mother and has no right to interfere with or undermine the mother's parenting, and if she was a stranger, then even worse! It's great that the mother could use this tactic and that it was working effectively. It seems uncommon these days that parents will discipline their children or give boundaries, and instead will do whatever the child wants to keep them quiet and agreeable - breeding a spoilt generation for the most part. Good on her for letting her child have her tantrum and not give in - I also hate the noise of a crying child, but a lot less than I hate the sound of a spoilt narcissistic adult - I'd rather it be weaned out early. =P I know my mum did this to my sister and I when we would have tantrums, on the occasions that we then refused to move, she would just walk to the end of the aisle and wait until we got over it. =P People should keep their unwanted advice and actions to themselves as far as I am concerned. I would understand if the mother was doing something wrong or was visibly distressed and actually needed help, but you don't just do as you please with another person and their child. =)
@Malyck (3425)
• Australia
11 May 08
AHAHAHA! Utter BRILLIANCE! If I have children or am babysitting for someone else and end up in a similar situation, I'm definitely going to follow your lead =) I'm also not afraid to look (and act) foolish, so it's basically win-win. =)
• Australia
11 May 08
I agree entirely. Even a relative or friend doesn't have the right to interfere like that... but in this case I received the impression that they were strangers so it was even worse. Another tactic that I have used when my kids have done things like that is that I have copied them... thrown myself on the floor and done exactly the same thing, even in public (I did it in the supermarket). When I did that to my daughter she stopped mid scream and said 'Mummy, you look silly!'... my reply was 'So do you!' But it effectively diffused the tantrum. The other customers thought it was hilarious. Obviously, I am not a person who is afraid of making a fool of themselves
• Australia
11 May 08
You'll probably find that if you do it will work like a charm. I've come across several parents who have tried that tactic and it has always worked because it shocks them and distracts them out of the behaviour. The fact that they can stop instantly like that just proves that it's all for show when they chuck a tanty like that. My daughter doesn't remember me doing it but I can confirm that she NEVER threw a tantrum in public again. Perhaps in some deep, traumatised part of her subconscious she remembered it and didn't want to risk it again. LOL
@sanell (2112)
• United States
12 May 08
I would not have interefered at all, I would have felt bad for the mom, but I would have told others to just leave the area because I know exactly HOw that mom would feel, you always let the kid cry it out PERIOD. depending on the age, I know that some people when their kids have a fit will tell them they are going to leave....I have a friend who had done that, and the first time her son had a fit, she took his hand and left. He never had a fit again in any store. Also a text book case in handling behavior.
• Australia
12 May 08
I did that once with my oldest daughter. We went to a playgroup once a week and about 8 weeks after her little brother was born she started acting up (the jealousy thing that usually hits around that time). Anyway, she hauled off and whacked one of the little boys and his mother attacked me verbally. I was suffering from post natal depression and burst into tears. The playgroup was held at the infant development centre where the nurse keeps track of their development and the nurse called me in to the office to calm me down. We discussed ways to address the behaviour and I decided that if she did it again I would leave immediately. The following week she did it again after I explained that if she did we would go home. I just grabbed her and my bag, put her brother and the pram and left... she screamed all the way home because she didn't want to leave. When we arrived home I discussed it with her and said if she was going to bully the other children then I wouldn't let her go to playgroup any more. She never did it again. From that day on she behaved at playgroup.
@bdugas (3578)
• United States
11 May 08
First of all I would of told her to get her hands off my child, too many people want to stick their nose in where it is not wanted. I learned that a long time ago when while out with some friends I saw a man beating the h*ll out of a little woman in the place, no one was doing anything just watching, I mean he was hurting her, so I got up to help the woman, didn't seem to me anyone called the cops and instead of being great full, she turned around and slugged me. So much for helping! I f I have a child that is throwing a fit in the store, I usually left the store and handled it outside so that the rest of the people shopping didn't have to listen to it. The woman had no business putting her hands on the child, and she sure didn't have any business pushing the cart off, we probably would of had a brawl right there in the store, how would I know where she was going with my child. You have to let them scream it out now a days god for bid you put your hands on one of them to correct them, you would be arrested in a minute.
• Australia
11 May 08
Sorry, but I feel I have to laugh at the situation with the man and woman... it's not funny but at the same time it is. Sometimes our good intentions can be entirely taken the wrong way... like the time I offered my seat to an elderly lady on a crowded bus and she snapped at me that she wasn't a decrepit old cripple... ... I thought she was going to hit me with her walking cane! Grumpy old moo she was! LOL In this case the mother did remove her from the store, it all happened just outside the main door into the shopping centre in a little corner containing a bench to sit on etc. But that didn't stop nosey people deliberately seeking her out. There are not really many places in a shopping centre where you can go for privacy in a situation like that, nor could she take the child right through the front of the store to get her outside as that would simply have attracted even more attention. The attitude people have these days is ridiculous in that we are not permitted to discipline a child for fear of being arrested for child abuse. Under the circumstances the mother dealt well with the situation. I would have been telling the woman in no uncertain terms to get her hands off my child and called security when she walked off with the child in the trolley.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
12 May 08
If some stranger did that to me, I'd be all over her. I'm a pretty passive person but if stranger ever ever put my child in a cart and walked off...Oh....yup..you got my blood boiling. those sort of things happen all the time with little kids. I just ignore it and let the mom deal with it. I would not do anything at that point to add to the mom's stres level.
• Australia
12 May 08
Actually, the mum didn't seem all that stressed. Perhaps the child has behavioural issues so she's used to it. The only time she became stressed was when people started criticising and offering unsolicited advice. Like you, I would be very angry about something like that... in fact I would feel like punching her out (not that I would... I'm very self controlled like that)... rather, I would call security or the police.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
12 May 08
actually if the mother could have done it the verybest thing to do when a two or three yr old throws a tantrum is to pick up the baby and wrap your arms tightly' around her and sit down somewhere .then talk calmly and softly 'to the child. The child will soon cease the tantrum as she is on sense overload and is actuallyacting up because' she is overtired and does not know how to handle it. Then usually the worn out baby will fall asleep. the other method works but its annoying in apublic place and actually takes a little longer to calm down.But the other woman had no business interfering unless 'she was someone the mother knew.
• Australia
12 May 08
I agree. I have done the holding thing but the problem with that is that you can get hurt doing it, if the child is kicking etc. I've ended up with bruises all over my legs from doing it. I think the child may have been tired and we all know how kids are when they get tired... the slightest thing will set them off.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
11 May 08
If this is my child, I would want no one to touch them at all, unless I said so. Now if this person was with me, and I gave them permission to pick up my child, then yes... I refuse to have some stranger come up and just pick my child up. I did not tell them to do this! You know as long as you are in this world, you will have to deal with people whom don't know how to stay out of things. It is crazy how they got themselves involved, but they feel the need to be. It was not this woman's place to pick up her child like this. The mother was already doing her job as to letting her child feud on her own. This was all that was needed! That woman had no right! I would not appreciate this either!
• Australia
11 May 08
Exactly, it's up to the parent who touches the child, picks them up etc. I'm not a violent person but in this situation I would feel like lashing out and whopping the person who dared put their hands on my child without my permission. However, I do have a LOT of self control so I would not do that... but I would threaten to call authorities if they didn't back off.
@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
12 May 08
This is just my own personal opinion, but I think the little girl has mom wrapped around her little finger. The correct thing in this situation for the mom to do would have been what the stranger ended up doing. Put the child in the cart and go about the shopping. Showing the child you will not tolerate their tantrum will teach them that it's pointless to throw one. But of course, the child's tantrum is not the topic of discussion. As the mother of that child, I would be outraged if someone else butted into my parenting style without me asking. The fact that this woman allowed it shows me that she is a push over, which also leads me to the conclusion that the child has learned this as well, hence the tantrums. As an onlooker, I would have been outraged at the stranger for butting in, and may have said something to her, but at the same time I would have agreed with what she was telling the mother. There are times I am in a store and see a child throwing a fit and the parent saying "If you don't stop I'll put the toy back" but in the end the child still gets the toy regardless of their behavior. This infuriates me, and of course I want to say something, but rarely do people listen to an outsider's opinion, so I keep going and complain to myself. Let me also point out here, I have 5 children. The oldest 3 have never in their lives thrown a temper tantrum. The youngest is only 3 months, so doesn't count. My 2 year old does throw tantrums, and I know why. I spoil him rotten, and give in to his every whim, which I never did with my other children. He was my baby (I assumed the last) until recently, so I did things differently. I am correcting my mistakes now.
• Australia
12 May 08
It's good to see some different opinions. Perhaps you are right, perhaps the mother is a pushover and the child knows it. But then, I have three kids myself and they have all be raised the same way. I never had any problem with the older two but the youngest is a handful. Extremely strong willed and defiant and quite frankly I'm hard pressed in moulding her to do the right thing. It's simply her personality. I'm still trying to adapt methods that will work with her because the ones that worked with my older two do not with her. Anyway, it seems everyone agrees that the other woman should not have interfered. Even if she was doing what you felt the mother should have done.
• Australia
14 May 08
Thanks kat, I agree entirely... NOBODY has the right to lay hands on a child that is not their own without the parents permission. Unless of course that person is a social worker sent by the government to remove a child from a potentially abusive situation in which case it is different because the government has officially sanctioned it. Unfortunately, situations where this happens are frequently not abusive at all.
• United States
12 May 08
No, I understand every child is different and one may be more difficult than another, that is just my take on this particular situation. Either way, nobody should step in unless they know the woman.
@mikeysmom (2088)
• United States
11 May 08
that woman had no business even putting her hands on that child. i am surprised the mother did not say something. i know i would have. and yes, she was doing the right thing by letting the child alone and getting past the tantrum because when you give in to them when they act like that they think that is how to get their way. it would have made me mad too to watch this going on.
• Australia
11 May 08
I was surprised that the mother said nothing myself. Perhaps she simply isn't assertive with other adults. I really don't know. Had it been me, everyone in the store would have heard me bellow... I AM MOTHER - HEAR ME ROOOOOOOOAAARRRRRR! I would have liked to intervene and tell the woman to butt out but to do so would probably have breached several guidelines of customer service. I think if I had intervened then I would have asked the mother whether she knew the woman that picked up the child and if she had said no then I would have stated to the woman that she had no right to go picking the child up.
@Remmie7 (167)
• United States
12 May 08
Hello jewelenterprises, I must say that the woman that put her hands on the child is a no no. No one other than that parent that is with you should be able to put their hands on the child. I would have took a stand and got my baby back from the woman and called or had the store to call the police. There are too many bad things happening to children these days for me to let a stranger take hold of my baby. With my baby crying making all kinds of noise and now some woman i don't know comes and take control of my situation. Now that would have taken me over the top. Now that i got that out of the way. I got to say you have to teach a child as they progress. Meaning you have to teach them and when you teach them it won't be so hard on you. I know every child is different and so are mothers. I was the kind of mother to teach my 1yr.old how to pick her toys up and put them back in the toy box. I potty-trained her when she was 11-months old. She started pulling up on the tables trying to stand not yet walking and i knew then that it wouldn't be long before i would potty-train her. It wasn't long before she started walking. I found out when you teach your child anything when they are babies they think that they are doing something and they repeat what you teach them with a smile. So i taught her at an early stage. She acted out on me for the first time in a Big department store and she never did it again. I didn't let her take control I Did. I knew then if i let her throw a tantrum on me i would regret it for all the days to come. She never threw one at home or anywhere else after that day. I nipped it in the bud. I had to for her benefit. Life is not going to let you have your way because you have a fit. Life will use that against you chew you up and spit you out. I wanted her to be the kind of person to grow up knowing that if you want something you have to work for it and work hard to get it and to get it for yourself. Not to depend on someone else to get it for you. That's why i felt so strongly about teaching her as she progressed, and it worked. By the time she was 1 1/2yrs.old she knew how to conduct herself anywhere. We went everywhere together, she didn't touch anything if she wanted something she would ask for it not go get it and then ask me. It really worked. So I don't blame the baby for any of her outburst. And maybe the mom just didn't know how to deal with her child. I hope she finds a way, because one day that same child will be a teen and by then well i hope the best for them.
• Australia
12 May 08
Thanks for your input Remmie. It seems everyone agrees that the other woman shouldn't have interfered. I just looked at it as a normal child trying to push the boundaries then getting angry when she didn't get her own way. I'm glad you found a good way to teach your daughter. How did you actually deal with her when she chucked a tanty in the department store?
• Australia
12 May 08
Interestingly, I have tried that tactic with my daughter and it didn't work at all. She's extremely strong willed like that.
@Remmie7 (167)
• United States
12 May 08
When my daughter had her first tantrum, I told her to stop, not raising my voice but with stern-ness being firm. She then thought she'd try me so she decided to plop herself on the department floor. I then went over to her and got her up, not snatching her up but with both hands i then brought her up in the air held her to my face and said i will not buy you any thing and i mean stop, you're acting up is not going to get you anywhere and by then she had stopped her crying. But she was still wimpering so i put her in a cart and she wouldn't stop so i gave her a little tap on her leg, the one leg and she stopped. It hurted me to tap her on her leg. That bothered me more than her having a fit. I didn't buy her anything i had to let her know this behavior was not acceptable. She learned quick. I think that showing her tough love really got her far as could be. Believe me she knew mama was going to buy her something but her acting out got her nothing. She told me later at home mama i be good and from that day i had not a single problem with her being out at all, none.
• New Zealand
11 May 08
Well said although I think that we need to look at both sides affected by the tantrum. The otheer people in the shop may feel that they are entitled to shop in peace and therefore it has become their business also. Maybe mum could have taken the child out of the shop to another area until it settled down. After all the child was getting the reaction it wanted by embarrasing mum and getting attention. By removing the child it would realise that the attention it craved was not there any more. However, as far as the handling of the situation goes people should butt out and let mum deal with it in her own way. Wouldn't consideration on both sides in life be a wonderful thing?
• Australia
11 May 08
Well, I don't necessarily believe that the childs behaviour affecting them gave them the right to interfere... though I can understand how people might see it that way. I was right on the last register and the situation occurred just outside the main door into the store. The mother and child weren't in anybodys way or anything. The crowd that gathered were simply nosey people who deliberately sought out the situation in order to offer unsolicited advice which the mother didn't need. The mother was standing watchfully near her child but denying it direct attention and the tactic was working until the busy body woman interfered. Of course, like you said, as soon as the child received attention it renewed the strength of the tantrum but it wasn't anything the mother did, it was the other woman. I received the impression that her mum was quite content to stay there until her daughter calmed down.
• China
11 May 08
This thing is just a very common thing in our life.In our life there are always some people interferce in things that are absolutely none of their business. I hate these people too. Sometimes,our strategy would be effectively wrecked by their interference.
• Australia
11 May 08
Well, in this case the interference did negate the effectiveness of the strategy. Before the other woman picked her up the child was actually starting to calm down. Her interference caused an increase in the childs tantrum. I can't say I hate people that do things like that but I do believe they should butt out of the situation.