What Does "Patriotism" Mean to YOU?

@anniepa (27955)
United States
July 12, 2008 1:48am CST
Here's an article with some different opinions on patriotism and what it means to different people. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/04/patriotism.opinions.irpt/ It seems that since 9/11 there has been more written and said about patriotism and the lack of it than probably ever before. Before the start of the Iraq War, those who opposed it were often called "anti-American" or even traitors. There have been many different indicators of patriotism such as wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin or flying the flag outside our homes or placing a flag magnet on our vehicle. During the current Presidential campaign there has been even more talk of patriotism than usual with Democratic nominee Barack Obama even being called anti-American by some and his wife, Michelle, has come under considerable fire for making a comment that this is the first time she's been proud of her country. Obama has been accused of not placing his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance as well as during the National Anthem, which actually isn't a requirement for many if not most people. He was also attacked for not wearing a flag lapel pin on a regular basis but then when he started wearing one he got attacked for that, too - go figure! GOP candidate, John McCain made his own controversial remark on several different occasions about how he never really loved American until he was deprived of her company but it got far less attention than did Michelle Obama's "proud of my country" statement. Which leads me to ask - does loving your country mean you have to love everything its government and leaders has ever done without question? I like the analogy about if your child brought home a poor report card when you knew he could be better, would you be "proud" of him in that instant for that one thing? Probably not, but does that mean you didn't love him? Absolutely not! We all show and express our displeasure with various things our government and politicians do on a daily basis here on myLot, but does that make us anti-American? I certainly don't think so! I know I love my country and what she stands for. I love the freedoms and rights we enjoy and I love our veterans who have given their lives so we could have them. I support every single one of our troops who are serving our country as I write this regardless of my personal views about the Iraq conflict or any other war, past or present. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily proud of everything our country has ever done! I'm certainly not proud when I hear about our great nation using torture, which I bring up now because it's being discussed on TV as I write this. I'm not personally proud of the fact we've killed many innocent Iraqi civilians and destroyed their country beyond recognition. This isn't meant to be a debate on the Iraq war, I was just giving a personal example of my own feelings. I'm not proud to know we have children going to bed hungry or elderly people who can't afford to heart their homes or buy medication they need. I'm not proud of the fact many American citizens have been discriminated against throughout our history; these things have certainly improved but I don't think our job is done. I'm not proud of the fact that about a quarter of those Americans who are eligible to vote ever actually do so, which was a large part of what Michelle Obama was talking about when she made her infamous "proud of my country" comment. She was at a political rally talking about politics so I have no problem believing here when she says she was referring to how people, particularly young people, have become engaged in the political process this year like never before. I could go on for hours listing different ways in which we can or should be proud of American and ways in which it's rather hard to feel a great deal of pride but that's not my intention here. I'd like to read what the rest of you have to say, how you feel about the whole idea of patriotism and love of country. Do you agree that we can love our country without agreeing with or feeling proud of everything it's ever done? I think if you love someone or something you want it to be the best it can be! I love American and the PEOPLE that make it and have made it the best place in the world in which to live but I think American and its people can make some improvements. In so many ways I'm as proud to be an American as anyone could be but if I were to say there are some things that don't make me so proud that does NOT make me anti-American or unpatriotic! Annie
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@Smith2028 (797)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Annie, the answer to your question is unequivocally No. Patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with agreeing with your government without question. Patriotism is loving your country because of what it is and because it is good. A patriot questions leaders all the time because their love of their country runs so deep they can't help but question to maintain the country they love. A patriot loves their country for not only what it is, but also what it can become. Development of any society, group, klan, or tribe always involves change. Change due to questioning authority, questioning due to a leader taking a country down a path that the true patriot realizes will take their country from what it is to something they don't want it to be. It is more patriotic to question our leaders than to sit by. I believe that few people in this country have a greater and deeper love for where they live than I do. Each day, I remember that I am blessed to be living here. We truly have lived on a shining city on a hill. People risk life and limb to be here, to step foot on our soil so that they may experience the American way of life. Only in American can one be Americanized. America is unique in the fact that we do believe in Americanization. Immigrants from India, living in the US for years, becoming US citizens can become Americans. An American who emigrates to India, will never become an Indian. It is more than a way of life, it is a blood and birth thing in that country. And I'm not saying that is bad, I am just pointing out the immense opportunity in my great Country. A Patriot is willing to do whatever it takes to preserve their way of life, but isn't going to abuse that privilege. A man killed a Gas Station owner following the attack on our soil and when asked why, he responded with "I am an American" Well it turned out so was the guy he shot, albeit of Arab decent, he was born and raised in the US. THIS IS NOT PATRIOTISM. Patriotism would have been to join the military to defend what we believe in this country, not to take vengence. This country is good. Granted everyone and everything makes mistakes, and certainly I do not claim that my love of my country is based on Perfection. We have learned a lot through history, but must continue to learn and if that means making mistakes, then we make mistakes, but we must understand them, and learn from them. And I believe we will.
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13 Jul 08
I think your characterization of the Iraq Incursion is somewhat skewed. It's not really your fault though, it is because you see this through the lens of the liberal news media and how they portray the conduct of our efforts. Annie, if water boarding extracts information that leads to the killing or capture of enemy combatants, and saves American and Allied lives I am all for it. In so far as the deaths of innocent civilians, Annie, that happens in any armed conflict. Our military leadership has gone to unprecedented efforts to minimize the loss of innocent life. Millions have been liberated from a brutal Tyrant. Imagine a democratic nation in the heart of the middle east. Who da thunk it! Thankfully we elected the right man for the job in 2000, and again in 2004. May God Bless George W Bush, Our Armed Forces, and May God Always Bless America. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, and the Beacon of Hope for the rest of our planet Earth. Otherwise a Generally Agree with your thesis.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Jul 08
The problem is, as I see it, water boarding doesn't usually extract accurate information. I have to say, we did ELECT the right man for the job in 200 but the Supreme Court "selected" the wrong one. In 2004 the only reason Bush got reelected was because of massive fear-mongering, like the D1ck Cheney saying - and I'm paraphrasing a little - "Vote for John Kerry and you'll likely die"! "Millions have been liberated from a brutal Tyrant." That was several years ago, several thousand of American deaths ago. Thousands of newly recruited terrorists in Iraq ago. Annie
16 Jul 08
Annie, You ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG with regards to the 2000 Election. Bush Won Florida. Recount after recount determined that G W Won Florida, Independent recounts also confirmed this. The Supreme Court Decision was based on Equal Protection Under The Law. Although the Democrats attempted to portray the GOP as having "stole" the election through a party line vote in the Supreme Court, it was in fact the Democrats who tried to overturn an election by "selectively recounting only in areas where they had the best opportunity to gain additional votes. This disenfranchised the voters in the remainder of the state. You either have to recount the entire state or not at all. One can't pick and choose where they want a recount. Bush Won Fair and square. The argument that the left brings forward concerning the popular vote is irrelevant because We don't elect the President based on the popular vote. Because the decision to halt the recount was made by the Supreme Court and it didn't go the dems way they portrayed this in a way that painted Bush as an illegitimate President, heck Steve Wonder could see that. Thus the Dems have been against nearly eveything Bush has been for. The Democrats have followed a policy of Obstruct, Obstruct, Obstruct. Greatly to Our Country's Detriment. If it weren't for the LOONEY LEFT, we wouldn't be dependent on foreign oil today either. The Democrat Party has brought great harm upon this country and I will Never Vote Democrat. Long Live The GOP! The GOP, The party of Lincoln and Reagan.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Patriotism means loyalty to your country. It means that you that you will also defend your country if you have to. You will also stand up and back the rights for your country too.
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@DarkDancer (1011)
• Dayton, Ohio
13 Jul 08
For many patriotism is, your country love it or leave it. For me it's more like this. Your country, love it and change it, fix what's wrong. There have been some times in the recent past that I have been less than proud about some things that have come out.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Jul 08
Fantastic response! You put it in a small number of words but you put it perfectly and said it all in those few words! I agree with you 150% here. I love my country but you're darn right there have been things that have made me less than proud. Annie
• Dayton, Ohio
15 Jul 08
Thanks, and thanks for the BR...
@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
12 Jul 08
I think we can love our country without being proud of everything. I just came back from another country that was spotless. It was well taken care of and people cared about it's appearance. It made America look like a cesspool of filth. We trash this country and if we loved it we would take better care of it. I wouldn't want people visiting here and seeing how dirty and rude some people can be. It paints a bad picture of us. I wish we could all work together to make it the best country it can be. But it seems like most Americans are too wrapped up in themselves to care.
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13 Jul 08
" Thank you for your interest in the history of the greatest nation that has defended freedom for the entire world. There are so many people that feel a one world government is the savior of the human race. This government.".....Thomas Jefferson
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