American or Foreign Cars! Which Do You Prefer?
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
United States
July 12, 2008 1:19pm CST
Over the last twenty years, I've owned only American made automobiles. But lately I'm really becoming really annoyed at the problems that keep popping up.
I own a Ford Windstar minivan. It runs great. It's very comfortable and I really like it. It has 80,000 miles on it, so it's relatively new in regards to today's standards.
I do all the things you are supposed to do. I change the oil on a regular basis. I get it tuned-up, using the best spark plugs and wires. I rotate the tires and make sure all the other fluids are fresh.
But lately it's been one thing after another. About 2 months ago my engine light came on. I took it to get serviced and was told that I needed to replace two oxygen sensors and a manifold gasket that was leaking air, causing the the fuel to burn lean. That repair cost me over $500.
Then about 2 weeks ago I took my car for inspection and was told it failed because part of the subframe was rusted. The subframe basically holds the engine and transmission in place. If it had rusted completeley, the engine and transmission could have fell to the ground as I was driving. That repair cost was $1230.
Now my passenger side rear brake light isn't working. I changed the bulb. That didn't fix it. I changed the socket ,the bulb goes in, and that didn't work. I took it to Firestone Auto Repair and they said they couldn't fix it. I had to take it to a place that does electrical work on cars. This morning I talked to them and they say that just the diagnostic costs will be $100 and they think it's a module and weren't able to tell me how much that will cost until monday.
In addition to that, one of my door locks won't go down when I press the button and the cruise control doesn't work. I have to manually press the door button down in order to lock the door.
I feel that a car with 80,000 miles on it shouldn't be giving me this much problems when I do everything the manuel tells me to do in order to keep it running correctly.
NOW CHECK THIS OUT. This is what made me ask whether do you prefer American or Foreign Cars.
Since my car has been in the shop, I've been using my cousin's 2nd car. It's a 1996 Nissan Altima and he doesn't even drive it. He keeps it parked in a lot across the street from his house. It has 180,000 miles on it.
Everything on it works perfectly. All the power windows work. The power door locks work. The air conditioning work. The power sunroof work. It drives like a charm. DO YOU SEE MY POINT?
That is why I want to know which car to you prefer? American or Foreign?
Lloyd
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9 responses
@KrauseHome (36445)
• United States
15 Jul 08
Well, we have a Subaru Forrester. Ours is a 2006, and we really like ours. We have had no real major issues with our car, and overall we now will always prefer a Foreign made car over American. Yeah, they might be a little more pricier if something needs fixed on it, but they seem to hold up better in the end as well.
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@KrauseHome (36445)
• United States
16 Jul 08
Yes, Subaru's are very nice Cars, but quite expensive as well. It would be nice if they could come down in price to make everyone be able to afford them more.
@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Jul 08
There is no doubt the Forrester is a good car if a little bland
all the best urban
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Jul 08
Most foreign cars these days, at least the Japanese ones, cost just as much as American cars to fix. Congrats on your Subaru. They are definitely one of the better brands available. Unfortunately they don't have any low cost models for poor folks like myself.
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@desertdarlene (8911)
• United States
15 Jul 08
My whole family has been involved in the car industry at least at one point in their lives. They have been engineers, mechanics, worked in leasing and rental companies, or worked on the assembly line. So, I feel like I owe a little loyalty to American cars. But, this last time that I went to buy a car, I was this close to buying a Toyota or Volkswagon. I used to own a Geo Metro, which is really a Japanese car with an American brand name. All I wanted was another very small car with good gas mileage and reliable. I really didn't get what I wanted 100% because they just don't make cars like that with an American brand name anymore. Volkswagon had fantastic deals on the type of cars that I want and Toyota had exactly what I wanted. All the foreign car companies had a variety of small vehicles with great gas mileage and were very reliable. American car companies seem to have the idea that everyone wants a gigantic SUV.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Jul 08
Well, American cars are foreign cars to me. This is my impression of the cars of various countries.
American, overweight, underpowered, ugly, garish, fuel guzzlers.
German, well engineered, sometimes over-engineered ugly cars, they need to learn that the Panzer tank is not the epitome of automotive style.
French, well made but ugly, a few Peugeots aren't too ugly and their diesel engines are superb.
Italian, unreliable but beautiful
Japanese, reliable but terminally bland
Swedish, ugly but reliable
British, very variable, some beautiful and iconic, some brilliant engineering some dire.
My vehicle is a Land Rover Defender, amazingly reliable even when driven over terrain that would destroy most vehicles. Beautiful, agile, reliable, robust and the most environmentally friendly production vehicle in the world.
all the best urban
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Jul 08
Wow. Your explaination of the different cars really put everything in perspective.
I would agree with you that many American cars are overwieigh and use too much fuel.
I know the Land Rover is a very good vehicle. You always see it in the animals show in Africa. It seems to be able to drive over all terrains.
Thanks for your reply.
Lloyd
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
28 Sep 08
I've had it with my car. It only has 82,000 miles on it right now and it's one thing after another.
Now the engine light has just came back on and requires a new top head gasket to stop air from seeking in.
My airconditioner is not working because of an electrical short that has wiped out my odometer, ABS system and defrost abilities.
I did some research and found out that these are common problems with Ford minivans, but yet there is no recall of these vehicles.
To repair all these items will cost over $2000. I give up. I'll be getting rid of this vehicle shortly.
And I won't be investing in another American car.
Lloyd
@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
14 Jul 08
It used to be that Ford and Chevrolet were the great American cars. Now we have foreign cars overtaking the old guard sort of. My parents had chevys, fords, pontiacs and even a volkswagon. They were all good vehicles. I have had over the years a 65 mustang (I can't believe I got rid of it) 69 Nova which was one of my best, a dodge dart, 77 thunderbird (like to have that back, too) a minivan, a stationwagon and a pontiac trans am. Over the years I have seen quality of things change. Plus I thought I was buying American. No Honda, Toyota, etc, Foreign cars, I didn't want. Then I discovered that many of my "American" cars were only assembled in the US and most of the parts were made elsewhere like Mexico, Canada, C
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
14 Jul 08
I was like you. I always wanted to support the American auto worker. But I can't keep getting screwed.
With gasoline selling for over 4 dollars per gallon, I can't keep shelling out money on repairs.
Both the 65 Mustang and 69 Nova were classic cars. It's ashame you don't have them anymore.
Lloyod
@fpd1955 (2074)
• United States
14 Jul 08
When I was younger, I owned a Pontiac Firbird and a Ford Mustang. Both gave me severe headaches with mechanical problems and I had them only two years. I have owned a Mitsubishi Sapporo (similar to a Dodge Challenger) and a Toyota Pickup truck. I changed the oil regularly and never, ever had any problems with them. I had them both for a number of years. I did own a Ford Ranger for 10 years that was a great pickup. I didn't have any major problems with it until the last year and then it needed a new transmission. I own a Chevy malibu, 2002 now. I have had such problems with the theft alarm system preventing me fro starting my own car!! This has happened too many times to remember the count. I have been told the GM cars with this type of passive alarm are famous for this problem.
Other than major problems with American made cars, little, annoying things happen with them that I never had with my foreign made cars. Rearview mirror falling off, door handles breaking or seatbelts misfunctioning. I would say the best american made vehicle I owned was my Ranger. it was good to me!
PEACE
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
14 Jul 08
So it's just not me who feels that American cars aren't up to speed when it comes to quality.
And the little problems you mentioned like the rearview mirror falling off, door handles breaking or seatbelts misfunctioning have been part of my experience over the years.
I really hate to say this, but my next vehicle just might be a foreign one.
Lloyd
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
15 Jul 08
It's ashame that our once great auto industry is going through such hards times, but they have no one to blame but themselves.
It's almost like they took us for granted. They should have focused on producing fuel efficient and quality vehicles. Instead they went for the high margin SUV and Trucks.
I've also heard about buying cars made on Monday. With all the technology available, they should be able to produce a quality vehicle regardless of the condition of the employee.
Like you, I feel my next car might be a foreign one. And I'm really sorry to say that.
Lloyd
@sunkissed (4330)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Hi Lloyd I have been drive Foreign cars for as long as I can remember. I have had such good luck with them that that is what I have stuck with. I started out in 1989 with a Mazda RX7 I have been driving forign cars ever since.I am now hooped on Hyndai's. I have had very good luck with the last two I have owned. I first had a 1999accent, then traded it for a new 2003 Elantra because it was a bit larger.I just paid it off last month. I have almost 70,000 miles on it, I too change the oil regular. i have never had to have a tune-uop on it yet.It has never been in the shop, except for the 5 wrecks I have been it, that tore the other peoples cars up, but miner damage to mine.I sware by these cars.I always say, they are like a timex watch,"They take a licking & keep on ticking".I have hauled wood,etc in my car , it is very durable, practal, and dependable..
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Wow! That is amazing. You've got 70,000 miles on your 2003 Elantra and it's never been to the repair shop.
I would worship a car like that. I always thought Hyundai was the worse of the Asian imports. I guess I was wrong.
Thanks for letting me know about the dependability of your foreign car.
Lloyd
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Jul 08
Just so you know Lloyd, you're not entirely wrong about Hyundai. Until 2004 they and Kia were considered to be the worst Asian automakers. They were still a young company and their quality was inconsistent. Sunkissed has a 2003 so I guess she lucked out. All their cars over the last 4 years have been rated very well by Consumer Reports and the 2008 Elantra is on the CR recommended list. Right now I'd say their reliability is just below Toyota, Honda, and Mazda, but ahead of all the American car makers.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
14 Jul 08
Thanks for that information. I knew I had heard that somewhere before.
It's amazing that such new automobile companies can surpass the United States in quality in such a short period of time.
What are we doing wrong? Don't we have the desire to be #1 anymore?
Lloyd
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
14 Jul 08
It is pretty much the same story in Australia... as the two Australians Motor companies... Ford and GM are American affiliates.
Ford and GM are old technology by world standard... and they have been very slow in upgrading. I don't really know the reason why. Their whole interest has always been to power big cars with big engines and lots of torque. And as long as there is a market for it... they will keep on doing it.
NASCAR plays a big role in the American motor industry to keep it alive.
And so does V8 Supercars in Australia... where only two manufacturers are allowed in the race... Ford and GM.
They build basic cars for ordinary people. They are not in the luxury business... and the attention to details has always been very poor. Everything is build cheaply. 35 years ago... they got away with it... because there was next to no luxuries in cars. You had a simple but strong car.
But even so... those Australian cars were rust bucket after 10 years. And it would be a lot worse in America... because they put salt on the roads in winter to get ride of the snow and ice... and it is that salt which cause the rust in your car.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
14 Jul 08
I agree with you that Ford and GM have focused too much on big vehicles. I can't believe the size of some of the "locomotives" I see people driving.
They should have foreseen that this type of marketing could not have continuted and began to focus on well-built, fuel efficient cars.
But the American people kept buying those monster vehicles and they kept making them. Now they are in a bind.
It seems that many American cars are finished around the 10 year mark, while Japaneese vehicles seem to last forever.
I don't know what it's going to take to turn this around quickly, but I hope they figure it out.
Lloyd
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
14 Jul 08
Australia is still making big cars... but they have been greatly improved with new technologies and are more fuel efficient. But still not as efficient as a Japanese car. But of course... that is related to the size of the car.
Many people in Australia still travel long distances by car... and if you have a family... a large car is still the prefered choice for comfort.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Back in the early eighties we bought a used Honda Civic; it was a 1980 model and I think we got it in 1983. It worked like a charm and got about 45 MPG. It had nearly 200,000 miles on it when I had an accident with it and our insurance company totaled it because it would have cost to much to fix for what it was worth, according to them at least. We then bought a new 1985 Civic and we had that for over 11 years and there was over 200,000 when someone went through a stop sign and hit me, pushing me into a brand new parked Cadillac. Again, the insurance company totaled it, if that wouldn't have happened I have no doubt in my mind we'd still have it. Meanwhile, we got a new Honda Accord in 1993 and over 300,000 miles later and not a single problem with it my husband was hit head-on by a truck as he sat waiting to pull into the parking lot where he works. Again, we got screwed by our insurance company! Now we have a Pontiac Montana minivan which we really like as far as how it rides and the gas mileage isn't that bad for a van but it's spent almost as much time at the garage as it has anywhere else! There was a leak around the windshield since we got it and they've "fixed" it repeatedly and finally said simply they didn't know what else to do about it so we're kind of stuck. They've even replaced the windshield twice, once because they broke it at the dealership.
I guess I'll sum it up by saying if and when I can find an American car that's as good as all the Hondas I've had I'll be more than happy to get one.
Annie
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
13 Jul 08
See that's what I'm talking about. You are the second person to respond to this discussion saying how well these foreign cars work even though they have many miles on them.
My car only has 80,000 miles on it and the repairs seem to be non-stop.
I'm sorry that to hear that people keep running into your Hondas.
Your story about the Pontiac Montana sounds very similar to mine. It's spending too much time in the garage for a newer vehicle.
It's ashame that we have to be bothered by pesky problems such a leaky window.
Thanks for letting me know how dependable Honda's are.
Lloyd
@glazedonuts (52)
• Philippines
28 Oct 09
I'm here from the Philippines, and from where I am Japanese carmakers are the king of the crops. Back in the seventies, although im still not born yet then, american cars are the only ones you can buy, my father is a racing enthusiast and has a 1980 Ford Escort RS and also a 1978 Dodge Celeste, both speed monsters here in the philippines. Of course in America, they are turtles as the measurement there is based on Mustangs and Camaros, not to mention Corvettes. My father's cars are great, especially the Escort, which he can reach a top speed at almost 200km/h. But come the eighties, Toyota came, and in less than 2 years, had overtaken Ford and GM's reign and the two companies are forced to evacuate the Philippine market for some time. After Toyota, comes the whole japanese bandwagon, and suddenly all cars, trucks, anything , became japanese. Late eighties came Honda, the latest player back then. Although he didn't depose Toyota when it comes to mainstream cars, in the 1992 and up, its Civic became the standard of excellence. If you own one, you are perceived to be cool, i think here it started the modding generation, followed by cars like the mitsubishi evo series, and many more. Honda Civic became synonymuous with advanced engine technology and whatnot, thats why lots of pampered rich kids here like to own one and race drag it in our avenues at night. And then came the late nineties, specifically 1998 and the world opened up again, come Ford then GM through its Chevrolet brand, and boy was I became very happy again...ok i'll fast forward it, American car companies, although they came back and you will never have to import their cars again, what with large tax shipping duties, never took the crown from the japanese automakers. They became comfortable by being one of the ever widening choices for car buyers here in the philippines, their competition ranged from mercedes, subaru, porsche, audi, hyundai, kia, and the newly arrived chinese brands like ssangyong and those from india. But they will never par with the top 5 carmakers here namely, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Nissan, and Honda. Suzuki and Isuzu had their niches so I can't align them to the top 5, although they are like ants here in our streets. And from what I've seen people still cling to japanese cars, and i think americans already knew why. No matter how much i love american cars, japanese cars always makes me awed and surprised..I hope the new facelift of GM today and for that matter, Ford also, they should follow Toyota's way and still with their own identity. If they became the Dell of the computer industry..Then I can be proud of them and buy many of their cars to enjoy. But as of now i think I'll stick with the japanese cars for the moment still. BTW my wife worked as a call center agent of GM tier 2..boy GM has lots of complaints, way lots and lots..She wish she can really help those poor folks that own GM cars. One person from Phoenix onws a hummer and boy only 2 weeks and it had already a problem, i think i''ll ask again my wife about that. every day she has stories of unfortunate folks who bought new GM cars that often fails within 5 months time. In my life span I only heard it then. I pictured and thought cars are supposed to be broken after long periods of time, as it should always have. But now it proved me wrong. Now im beginning to think these past years it correlates to the situation GM is in..hmmm...










