McCain's speech helped my decision
By taface412
@taface412 (3175)
United States
September 5, 2008 8:56pm CST
Last night after I got home from a long day at work- where I was struggling having stayed up for Palin's acceptance speech- I happened to tune in on McCain's acceptance speech. Well, I am glad I did. Because after all the rush of the week with the Palin introduction I still consciously wondered if I should still write in Ron Paul. But as McCain spoke I got to really hear him. His words, not what others said he said. And it was one specific phrase that clenched my decision.
"The first pork-barreled bill that crosses my desk" he will veto and make those names famous. This is what got me. I do believe he was referring to the S-2433. And if people had read up on this controversial bill then they understood what he was referring to with this strong political statement. This is the bill Obama sponsored that will require the next president (whomever he might be) to develop and implement a strategy to help end global poverty. Which requires 7% of the US gross national product to be contributed to foreign aid. Adding up to $65 billion dollars a year. So what is Obama talking about wanting to lower taxes.....there is written proof that he wants not only to raise the taxes, but he wants to make US foregin aid subservient to UN mandates.
Secondly, I was further impressed with the fact of wanting to improve upon on education system not fearing that the bad teachers would become upset. I am myself preparing to re-enter school to become a teacher support his comments about getting rid of the bad teachers. We should never have to face the facts of children who are illiterate making their way through each grade level and then becoming illiterate adults. And as McCain said it should never be anyone other than the parents and students making the decisions on education. There has been too much parenting by schools going on.
Thirdly, we all want our troops to come home. Now I have never been in the military, but my father has. And I have to say that having grown up respecting anyone in a uniform who defends me and my country, I would much rather have a man who is a decorated POW in the White House bringing the troops home than someone who has no military experience.
I am trying my best to only listen to the actual information on these candidates and not the who, what, why, when and where of their personal lives. And I am looking forward to the VP debate on October 2 between Biden and Palin.
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@snowy22315 (209009)
• United States
6 Sep 08
You can certainly vote for whoever you wish. Dont forget that Bush and the Republicans started this war. The war is costing us 350 million dollars a day. That does not include the expenses of the vets coming back for treatment. I believe McCain is trying to lay the groundwork for an invasion of Iraq. He almost said so in his speech. He made nearly no mention of the economy and what he is going to do to help the average American. Unemployment is at record levels. McCain is clearly going to follow the policies of the Bush administration and screw the middle class and
allow his big oil buddies to run the show. Shell was one of the biggest sponsors of the Republican convention. If you want more of the same vote McCain.
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Okay then, what say you about Obama's bill? And how exactly is he going to change things as he has said? I am curious.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 Sep 08
ANd as for the "no mention of economy" I do believe he touched upon by stating he wants to create jobs here...not to be reliant on foregin oil, and create competition with foregin markets....
@missybal (4489)
• United States
6 Sep 08
When we invaded Iraq it took more than Bush to do it... the Democrats had to vote for it too and also it was something a large percent of American's agreed with. McCain wanted the surge for so long he knew we needed to do it, he's had stated many times he disagreed with how Bush handled the war... Bush was not tough enough. The surge has worked, should have happened a lot sooner, our men are coming out of there. Obama was for a while they fighting against funding our troops. The biggest problem is with the cost of gas, and oil going out of control and no energy plans that should have been done long time ago... They are finally working on it after congress got back from their vacation when they should have been taking care of this country. McCain has nothing to do with oil companies. The reason he got that money was because he was for drilling something we should have done 8 years ago. Obama got over half a million dollars for his campaign from oil company executives...some when he started to say he may allow some drilling. Of course more is going to be donated to the one who is not for over taxing them. Obama's plan to take from the rich to give to the poor will only hurt everyone. What company is going to hire more people or start new industries or give raises when they are looking at twice as much money coming out of their pockets? The people in the middle with small businesses in communities that people depend on to provide employment will be hurt the most... My area big time. How is that check Obama is waving in front of peoples eyes going to help if their are no jobs? It's basic economics 101.
@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
6 Sep 08
"This is the bill Obama sponsored that will require the next president (whomever he might be) to develop and implement a strategy to help end global poverty. Which requires 7% of the US gross national product to be contributed to foreign aid."
Sigh...
The Global Poverty Act allocates NO funding whatsoever. You have been lied to.
Read the damned thing yourself if you don't believe me: http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.2433:
Stop taking bogus talking points at face value.
"Thirdly, we all want our troops to come home."
And McCain said it's not important when they come home, as long as they're not being killed: http://clarusvisum.blogspot.com/2008/06/mccain-when-iraq-troops-come-home-is.html
"I would much rather have a man who is a decorated POW in the White House bringing the troops home than someone who has no military experience."
Even when the former is the one who gets WORSE marks from all of the veterans organizations when it comes to voting on veterans' issues? Especially the new GI Bill, McCain felt it was "too generous" to our troops (!). Of course, McCain tried to take credit for it after it passed with huge bipartisan support (he publicly opposed it and didn't even bother to show up to vote for it). McCain tries to use his former service as a smokescreen for the fact that he has been ANYTHING BUT a supporter of the troops in the Senate.
Meanwhile, Obama gets higher marks from veterans organizations that track Senators' voting records ACROSS THE BOARD, and he strongly supported the new GI Bill.
So how do you justify favoring McCain on this issue?
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
6 Sep 08
"how do you think the US will aid in the ending of global poverty?"
You said that the act "requires" that the US give 7% (!) of its GNP to the UN. Does the act say that or NOT? If it doesn't, why are you pushing thisi false claim?
Don't move the goalposts--just answer this simple question.
"In fact I have a letter from Rep Jim Bunning who states "the legislation also mandates that 0.7 percent of the [US] gross national product be contributed to foreign aid""
1. Oh, so now it magically becomes 0.7% instead of 7%? Please, use your head--don't just parrot talking points.
2. Who cares what some dude says? I linked you DIRECTLY to the ACTUAL legislation. You claim to have read it multiple times. Forget what some guy says about it--what does the ACTUAL LEGISLATION say? Does it agree with that claim? If so, quote the relevant passage. If not, admit that you were mistaken/misled and move on. But don't go around pushing false information.
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
7 Sep 08
I have looked at it again and I admit it does not state a specific figure and it was in the letter which it did referring to what an estimate would/could be of total cost. Now first of all this is my first election where I want to look at issues. And considering how confusing it can be in reading such wording which causes such confusion excuse me for regarding to a Senator's letter.
The fact is I believe Obama has contradicted himself in terms of him wanting to lower taxes, but a bill with his name on it will raise taxes in the long run. Because after all In sect 2 paragraph 12 it states in January 2007 the dept state's office of the director of foreign assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of the US foreign assitance. To help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people...in the international system.
and in sect 3 it states the policy of the us to promote the reduciton of global poverty where it mentions the UN Millenium development goal .
Does the US already provide assistance? Yes.
Look as a beginner at looking I admit I became overzealous. But I am concerned with our future as a whole. And I hope for everyone's sake that you are right in putting solid belief behind him if he is elected.
So I will not refer to specific amounts when speaking on this topic in the future unless I see it, but I still want to hear what others have to say about it. Because for some reason people focus on the numbers when I think the actual controversy is the fact are the mandates that will be required by the US to follow according to the UN. So I will do what I always do sit and listen.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I have read the bill. And I have re read the bill. ANd after you reading the bill how do you think the US will aid in the ending of global poverty? In fact I have a letter from Rep Jim Bunning who states "the legislation also mandates that 0.7 percent of the [US] gross national product be contributed to foreign aid". Also you make no mention of how it ties us in with the UN. Which is the MOST controversial issue with the bill.
It was originally rejected. Then was introduced again. Biden helped push it through.
SIgh away. Because if and when it comes into effect I know you will be sighing even more.
@missybal (4489)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I'm glad you feel that way. I at the beginning of this election really had high hopes for Obama and thought he was really for change, but after a while I realized the change he was planning was the wrong kind of change. And with Palin on the ticket I am positive that is what our country needs. As a military wife I have learned that this world in not pretty. We need someone who can make tough decisions that will give it to us straight. And we need to bridge the gap between Democrat and Republican... everyone needs to work together in order to get this country to it's glory days again. And although we as American's live in a far better world then the rest of the world, we need someone with experience to help us pull ourselves up again... and not a handout.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Kennyrose, I noticed you mentioned obama never signed a bill, but did you happen to read up on the bill that was introduced in the Senate in December of 2007, S 2433. Obama sponsored it and Biden pushed it through. This bill not only will require the President to develop and implement a strategy to end global poverty (which is why most people become offended when it is mentioned, because we all want to help out righ?) Well, it also in the fine print makes the US become subservient to the UN. This is Barack Hussein Obama. This is his running mate.
And I believe this is what McCain was referring to as the "first pork-barreled bill" that crosses his desk. ANd these are the names I believe he will make famous for sponsoring such a bill. I am so glad I read up on this bill before I heard his speech. And I think that is why he specifically said the words he said, so the ones who did read S. 2433 would would understand.
Pass the word, so people can read it for themselves. Democrats, Republicans and Independents.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I agree I felt the same way about Obama until I saw his true character and intentions. And do me a favor thank your husband for me and my family.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I'm also looking forward to all of the debates but I'm afraid our agreement ends right there...lol! I really don't see McCain doing anything to help our economy because all he talks about is lowering taxes for businesses and the wealthy. His economic plan doesn't include a penny in tax cuts for the middle class while Obama's does. His education plan is the usual GOP spin about "school choice", which sounds well and good until you realize it entails giving vouchers for parents to send their children to private schools paid for by taxpayers but that will just be like giving a discount to the wealthier parents while leaving the lower income families stuck in the public schools which will get worse since their budgets will be cut. There are many families who, even if they could afford the tuition they'd have no way to transport their children to a private school. As for having a POW in the White House to bring our troops home, I'm afraid McCain will not only not bring our troops home from Iraq any time soon but that he'll also get us involved in another war or two which we can ill afford. He's already said there could be a possibility that he'd reinstate the draft.
Basically, I don't trust McCain at all. I know that's not a popular opinion here but I don't really believe a thing he says today because it's usually the opposite of what he said yesterday and by tomorrow he may say he never said it.
Annie
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Well as for the economy I know he specifically mentioned in his speech about the drilling of oil here...which helps our economy out all the more. No more importing, and the taxes stay here making US stronger. Creating more jobs here, not supporting those jobs in other countries. Why do you think the gas is under a $1 in Iraq?
And as for Obama supporting tax cuts. Read his bill he sponsored that was introduced to the Senate in Dec 2007. S. 2433. In this bill it will require the US to contribut 7% of the National gross product to FOREIGN aid. 65 billion dollars a year. It also ties the US (in the fine print) in with the UN. Making US to answer to the UN. Now you tell me? How is Obama supporting lower taxes? How is Obama supporting the US by bringing our troops home? What are his stratgies in these areas?
Do not get me wrong I am not about the war at all. I am not about not helping the world. But as a representative wrote in a letter to our household in reference to the S 2433 bill the US does play a role in responding to global challenges and humanitarian needs around the world, but it will result in the imposition of a global tax rendering the US to be subservient to the UN mandates.
And as for the opinion, everyone is entitled to it. I just hope it is based on facts. And maybe McCain is not 100% perfect for the office I think he is the one who is the most qualified with the proof of his service to the nation regardless of what others say. This nation was founded upon a constitution. What will happen to that constitution when we have been sold out.
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@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Good to hear people listen to both sides, even though I've already made my decision I still listen to both sides so I'm informed and then I can become biased.
@celticeagle (189915)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Sep 08
It helped mine also But, can we really trust any of them now?
