Why are Democrats held to such low standards?

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
October 15, 2008 12:45pm CST
Could someone answer this question for me honestly? Both Republicans and Democrats hold Republicans to much higher standards in politics than they do Democrats. In 1988, George H.W. Bush chose Dan Quayle as a running mate. Dan Quayle had been a US Representative for 4 years, a US Senator for 8 years, served 6 years in the national guard, and earned a law degree. Despite that he was constantly mocked as young, inexperienced, and a dangerous choice for someone who was only a heartbeat away from the presidency. Fast forward to 2008, and we now have a candidate, a Democrat, who started his campaign for the Presidency with only a year and a half in the US Senate, 7 years as a state senator, and no military experience. Somehow, the majority in this country now feel he is ready not simply to be Vice President, but to actually hold the highest office in the land. Even Hillary Clinton, the runner up, only had 6 years in the senate and she was the "experienced" choice. Now look at the Republican side. McCain, despite all his military experience, House experience, and Senate experience, was criticized as being unqualified by Obama's supporter, Wesley Clark, claiming that he has no "Executive Experience". Not only was it a lie (McCain was Captain of the largest Naval Air Squadron), but it's a standard nobody held Obama to. McCain then chose Sarah Palin as his running mate, a woman with 6 years as mayor, 1 year as chairperson of Alaska's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, and 2 years as Governor of Alaska. Obama's campaign, and all of his followers now attack her as being so dangerously inexperienced that they can't allow her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. To this day they can't provide a single excuse as to why her qualifications are inadequate for the number 2 job and yet Obama is somehow qualified for the number ONE job. Can anyone explain to me this double standard? Why is the bar so much lower for democrats?
9 people like this
11 responses
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
15 Oct 08
The Democrats are a forward looking party trying to find new solutions to new problems. New ideas tend to come from younger politicians who have less experience. Obama is the third candidate in his forties with less experience than his opponent that the Democrats have run. The other two (Kennedy and Clinton) achieved the presidency. They have all been very smart, very articulate and extremely well educated and the American people thought they were good choices. Years of experience are not the only standard to consider. If they were, the US senators who have been members of the KKK would have made excellent candidates for the presidency since they tended to have many years experience in government. You talk about holding Republicans to a higher standard and then you list Sarah Palins 6 years as mayor of a small town in Alaska. There are a hundred towns the size of the one she governed here in Pennsylvania and no one would seriously consider 6 years as their mayor a serious qualification to be mayor of Philadelphia much less vice president of the US. I think you have to consider the job as well as the years spent doing it.
3 people like this
@4magoo (396)
15 Oct 08
Let me think about this: Obama - President of the Harvard Law Review McCain - almost at the bottom of his naval academy class and crashed how many planes? I lost count. Okay now ... which one has met the higher bar? Now let's compare the other two: Biden - came up from meger means to a long term senator Palin - mayor of a town of 5,000 and two years as governor of one of the smalles states in the nation. Let's think about this bar?
2 people like this
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
15 Oct 08
5,000! Jeez, I said in my thread that there were a hundred little towns in Pennsylvania the size of the one she governed and none of their mayors would be considered qualified to run for Mayor of Philadelphia. I was wrong, there are several hundred little towns in Pennsylvnaia the size of that one.
1 person likes this
• United States
15 Oct 08
Why do any of you care what a bored Brit (Mr. Magoo) has to say about our election. He should be paying more attention to his own country....his politicians are NOT perfect. He has attempted to make an comment to every response in this discussion which would be of more influence if he was an American voter.
1 person likes this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Do you really think it matters what McCain's GPA was 50 years ago? I finished community college with a 2.1 GPA. That is no reflection on my intelligence, it's merely a reflection of how skillfully I managed to do the absolute minimum amount of work to get by in classes that bored me. When I was working on my Masters degree and GPA actually mattered, I had a 3.8. As such, his GPA means nothing to me. All that matters is that he graduated. I can't believe you would be so arrogant as to criticize McCain for the fact that his plane was shot down as he was fighting for our country. He risked his life and endured years of torture and you see that as a reason to mock him. Palin and Biden both came from meager backgrounds. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. Her mother was a secretary and her father was a science teacher. I'm not going to level criticism for Biden or his experience. I will point out that his experience wasn't valued by democrats when he ran in the primaries. Here in Miami he came in 5 place during the primaries. Of course Florida was disenfranchised by democrats so that didn't really matter. My point was that Sarah Palin's experience as a VP candidate is being criticized as inadequate even though Obama's experience is no better than hers and he's number one on his ticket. If you choose to mock and discount her experience as a mayor, then I can just as easily mock and discount Obama's experience as a state senator. He only represented a fraction of one state, and all he did was vote present most of the time anyway. Unlike a mayor, senators aren't responsible for anything and will get paid whether or not they choose to show up or vote when they do show up. This has worked to Obama's advantage since every time anyone brings up things that happened in his district his minions just say "He wasn't in charge, he was just a senator". God it must be nice to have a job where you're not responsible for ANYTHING.
2 people like this
• United States
15 Oct 08
The media are for the democrats. That's your answer. It is up to us on the internet to ask the hard questions and do the critical thinking. The major media just don't do it.
2 people like this
• United States
15 Oct 08
Indeed, these are hard questions concerning Sarah Palin. They should be asked. I'm glad they are. The poster is making the point that it is a shame that similar hard questions are not being posed concerning the democrats. The poster is making the point that similar hard questions are often ignored concerning democrats. Thank-you for the comment. I can see you take your politics serious. We need more of that.
2 people like this
@4magoo (396)
15 Oct 08
So what is the hard question you are asking? Are you asking if Palin abused her power as Governor of Alaka? Are you asking if she was truthful in filling out her taxes when she left off a $40,000 gift of travel from lobbist? Are you asking about her foreign experience when she landed for refueling in Ireland or maybe did speed dating at the United Nations? Which of these hard questions were you talking about?
3 people like this
@4magoo (396)
15 Oct 08
I understand what you are saying about holding the bar high and challenging the other side but who should be challenging the Democrats? It has to be the Republicans. The problem is that as long as the challenge is did Obama pal around with Ayers you aren't digging very deep.
2 people like this
• United States
15 Oct 08
Is it perhaps because they do not have anyone to nominate who would meet higher standards but has powerful, rich, shady friends?
2 people like this
• United States
15 Oct 08
Whose name did I call??? Perhaps you are the Mr. Magoo who can't see too well!!
1 person likes this
• United States
15 Oct 08
Whiteheather, I'm just throwing my two cents in (uninvited!), I was reading through responses and comments, and you are name calling Magoo. "Brits" "Foreigners", potentially others but I didn't really look into it that much. It reads as very rude and dismissive, hopefully it wasn't intended that way. Oh, and this is a standard I would hold a democrat to, as well!
2 people like this
@4magoo (396)
15 Oct 08
Could you please raise your comments a bit higher? If all we are going to do is call names these are going to be very short discussions.
3 people like this
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
15 Oct 08
I personally have not been focused on anyone's experience or lack thereof. I was on the fence until a few weeks after Palin was nominated and might have made a different choice had McCain chosen someone else as his running mate as I liked several of the front runners quite a bit. The more I learn about Palin's policies as governor of Alaska and in light of the ever expanding allegations of ethics violations by her and her staff, the more turned off I am and the less I want her as Vice President.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Well if you rate experience as a non-factor, that's your choice and I respect that. I disagree with it, but I respect it. The problem is that the democratic party has been attacking Sarah Palin's experience incessantly just as they did Dan Quayle. However the same people that attack the experience of these republican Vice Presidential candidates, have constantly defended Obama as saying his lack of experience is irrelevant despite the fact that he is running for the highest office in the country.
1 person likes this
• United States
15 Oct 08
Mr. Magoo again I shall say thank goodness you can't vote , Brits cannot vote in our election.
1 person likes this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Magoo, you can assume she's not intelligent if you want, but you are basing your judgment solely on how she speaks in interviews and I can't see how that is an adequate method of judging intelligence. There are many people who are fantastic speakers, but are otherwise as dumb as a box of rocks. Just look at some of the Hollywood elite who never even finished a real high school.
1 person likes this
@philjas (1134)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Obama's campaign, and all of his followers now attack her as being so dangerously inexperienced that they can't allow her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. To this day they can't provide a single excuse as to why her qualifications are inadequate for the number 2 Sarah Palin's inexperience speaks for itself every time she opens her mouth. This woman is quite possibly the most unqualified candidate ever in history. It isn't about number of years someone has served or comparing executive experience to congressional experience, that's like comparing apples to oranges. It's about preparedness, and everything Sarah Palin does shows her unpreparedness to hold the second highest office in the country. Never mind liberals, there are moderates and conservatives by the dozens stating that this woman was a terrible pick for VP. Read some moderate blogs. It's definitely not just liberals who don't like Sarah Palin. John McCain didn't even want her for his running mate, he wanted Joe Lieberman but they wouldn't let him have Joe Lieberman. Sarah Palin was an attempt to lure the religious right (which worked excellently), and possibly to lure disgruntled Hillary supporters (which did not work.) There has never been a case of "low standards" like this one.
2 people like this
• United States
15 Oct 08
It's obvious what Colin Powell and Obama have in common.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Ok, so you gave me a nice long paragraph that said one, and only one thing. You hate Sarah Palin. You didn't give a single concrete example to prove any point that you may have wanted to make. I get it. You hate her. The question is, why are democrats saying she's so inexperienced and yet are in no way concerned about their own candidate's lack of experience? Why did they rip Dan Quayle so badly when he had more experience than Obama will have even if he's in office for another 10 years?
@4magoo (396)
15 Oct 08
Philjas, you are right on. Have you heard the latest that Buckley was kicked of the National Review for supporting Obama? The latest I heard was that after this debate tonight that Colin Powell might indorse Obama? Now if all of these people are saying the ticket is not a good one, how is that the base has so much trouble seeing it is not a match made in heaven.
2 people like this
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
15 Oct 08
taskr36 why didnt you know all us democrats are just horrible horrible people, at least according to the majority of Mylot republicans. To me andto probably a lot of others here who vote under the democratic ticket I dont see much difference in either party . both parties have slung enough mud to bury a large city, and a lot of aspersions made on both sides have mostly turned out as very much embroidered. I am not at all political but I have read and studied all the candidates and made mychoices on the democratic ticket. so now just know this is my own opinion, just mine, not direspecting yours which is of course anti democratic. so respect mine also and do not insult me or hit the minus key as i have not insulted you at all.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Oct 08
That was a completely pointless post. It had absolutely nothing to do with the topic and more closely resembled a temper tantrum by someone who doesn't like hearing from anyone who supports the other candidate. This thread was about standards for choosing a candidate and why democrats praised Obama's inexperience while criticizing Palin's. If you can't address the topic of a thread, you open yourself up to criticism. You also make it clear that you are fully incapable of defending the hypocrisy of democrats who ignore Obama's lack of experience while criticizing Palin's.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Both sides are ridiculous and hypocrisy is the word of the day. I think this is a matter of both sides stating that THEY can set the standards, when you know it cannot be both ways. That's like having your cake and eating it too - and yeah I know politicians try to do that anyway and say 'screw the people'.
@soooobored (1184)
• United States
15 Oct 08
I definitely agree with you that this is a double standard. But both sides commit double standards during elections, its dirty and ugly. At a minimum, at least this is relevant to the issues (debating amounts of experience) and NOT discussing candidates' children or personal lives!
2 people like this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Oct 08
There are, and always will be, double standards. We can certainly agree on that. I just wish some people would apply the experience bit equally. For many Obama supporters they kept insisting that experience was meaningless for months until McCain chose Palin as his running mate and suddenly experience is the most important issue to them... except when applied to Obama.
• United States
16 Oct 08
I also find that ridiculous, people I heard defending Obama's experience were months later jumping on Palin. The argument was it was the kind of experience. I feel they should just suck it up, and admit that yeah, maybe they HAD questions about Obama's experience. Who in their right mind wouldn't? But that ultimately it was not the number of years served in any particular office that got Obama their vote. And maybe give Palin the same forgiving lens they gave Obama when they first encountered him. On my end, the lack of experience isn't a huge issue. There are other reasons I don't like Palin (and I have to say, it is her presence that made me fully decide to vote Obama, while I've been planning to vote democrat a couple months now, I really would have been happy with either candidate). But it's not Palin's experience that swayed me.
• United States
15 Oct 08
Frankly, I think it has something to do with party lines, and how they are portrayed as a group. The Republicans are the preservers, the Democrats the changers. The Republicans want everything to stay the same, the Democrats know that things have to change. So when someone doesn't fully seem to follow the American thought on how a candidate from each party should look/act, it causes the candidate to be under ridicule. To relate this somewhat to this election, Obama fits the party mold perfectly, he's young, charismatic and knows that this country needs reform and change. John McCain fits the party mold in so far as looks and policies, but his choices and experience do not. I hope I explained what I mean properly. :)
1 person likes this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Those are some very interesting points. I don't agree with the preservers and changers labels, but I'm sure most democrats do so I can see the perceptions and the different criteria for candidates. That said, do you think these same democrats are especially angry now because they feel that Sarah Palin has stolen their thunder as a young agent of change? Do you think that Joe Biden theoretically hurts their claim to be agents of change when he's been in Washington for 30 years?
• United States
17 Oct 08
I don't think Sarah Palin has stolen anyone's thunder really. From what I hear about her, and what I've read so far, she seems more like an extreme Republican. She wants change alright, but think reverting to Puritan times. Frankly I think the Democrats are having a field day with her, watching as she singlehandedly alienates more voters. Those alienated voters have to go somewhere. ;) Biden to me seems like another Al Gore. Just someone to stand there and smile, a puppet if you will. Which is truly the role of the VP, absorb and mimic presidential decrees until such time as you might be called upon to act as such. So I do not believe that he will hurt anything for the Democrats, as he mostly is just echoing Obama and standing with him. While Sarah Palin runs off and does her own thing. I hope I answered your questions. Truly I am not the most informed person, but I've seen enough to form some serious opinions on things. :)
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Oct 08
The idea that she wants to revert to Puritan times is just ridiculous. Aside from internet rumors, there is nothing to support such an idea. People want to take her religion and pretend that it will somehow lead her to force her religion on the country. There's nothing to back that up. She's brought more support to McCain and truly energized the campaign. She gave him his first lead. I disagree about Biden. I believe that he sees Obama as weak and sees an opportunity to play him like a marionette. I think people are giving him a free ride since he's the least interesting of anyone in the race. He knows Obama isn't ready to be president. He's said it himself more than once. He took the VP job to make sure Obama didn't ruin the country with his poor judgment and lack of experience.
• United States
16 Oct 08
It seems to me that lack of experience shouldn't really be an issue here. Some of the best presidents we have had were extremely inexperienced. Reagan, George Washington, JFK...how can people say that inexperience is a detriment? I think it allows for a new, fresh view point. I do think that the media is so hypocritical it makes it painful to even watch the news at points. It's never bothered me so much as it does this election.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Oct 08
George Washington had over 9 years of extensive military leadership, including being Commander in Chief, before he became president. Ronald Reagan was governor of California, the most populous state in the country, for 8 years. He also served in the military for 8 years and achieved the rank of Captain. The claim that John F. Kennedy was extremely inexperienced is one of the biggest myths that gets spread. He served 4 years in the Navy achieving the rank of lieutenant. He also served 6 years in the House of Representatives and 7 years in the Senate before being elected president. He was not inexperienced by any stretch of the imagination and the words "extremely inexperienced" could not possibly apply when compared to Barrack Obama. That said, I respect your opinions. As with spalladino, I disagree with you and think experience is important, but what bothers me is the hypocrisy of those who said experience was irrelevant with regards to Obama, but stress it as being EXTREMELY important when discussing Sarah Palin.
• United States
16 Oct 08
Taskr, I was agreeing with what you said. I'm sorry you disagree with my example.