What is the point of uniforms - school and otherwise?

@mommyboo (13174)
United States
October 18, 2008 6:36pm CST
I just read a discussion concerning school uniforms, again. One I was going to respond to happened to be 2 years old so I am going to resurrect it here. Do you attend a school with uniforms, what do you think of the policy? Is it a good one? Is it fair? What do you all think is the purpose of trying to make everybody look the same? Everybody is NOT going to look the same, even if you dress them the same. Some people will look smart and beautiful in the uniforms, some people will look frumpy, bedraggled, and they will not fit right. In my opinion, the point they are trying to make with using uniforms still doesn't apply. It doesn't erase differences between people, it almost highlights them. There are still clearly haves and have nots and still clearly some kids who look great and some who don't.
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21 responses
• United States
19 Oct 08
Well, the point of uniforms at school is for the protection of the kinds because they can identify the non-students thats in the school easier or so the don't have something dangerous, for example many schools don't allow hoodys on at your school because people can hid a weapon in there hoody, know what i mean.
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@rebelann (111200)
• El Paso, Texas
23 Jan 21
That's a scary thought but you're right.
@GemmaR (8517)
19 Oct 08
I can see both sides of the argument to be honest with you. I am in sixth form at the moment, and we don't have uniform. I like it this way, but I know that children can be cruel, and if uniforms were abandoned in schools, there might be bullying of those familes who can't afford clothes the same as others. Children can still express themselves with how they have their hair, and which bag they buy.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
What is 6th form? I am in the US and we have elementary (K-6th) junior high or middle school (7-8 or 6-8), then high school (9-12) and then college which is typically 2-4 years, 2 for an associates, 4 or more for other degrees.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Oct 08
I am from a school that did have a uniform and I do think it is the best policy. In our days they used to also quote a reason for it. There were a mix of affluent, middle class [upper and lower] , poor orphans who attended school. THese orphan children stayed in the boarding itself. This uniform in the early stages shows to children that there is no difference whatsoever among them all. Secondly, there is not much chance of finery [it can just be a bit of superior and inferior fabric--even here all of us had to wear cotton uniforms].So, there is no question of longing for better clothes within the young minds. It was just a clear case of studies and sports, and extra curricular activities and children competed only in these aspects. This , in any day avoids extra concentration on other peripherals of life instead of concentrating on the core purpose for which we all go to school. This engenders a healthy sense of equality in children. Even in college, when we could got college in coloured clothes, there was uniform on Mondays. It really did not matter as far as I am concerned. The primary purpose is education and that is where one should strive to achieve excellence in.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I bought a lot of my own clothing (and accessories) from the time I started earning my own spending money. I also received an allowance, but it was small and I saved most of it. I was NOT rich growing up, and I have 4 siblings. There were many luxury things that I am sure I went without. However! I was a lot more proud of things that I worked for and bought myself and I would never want to be 'the same' as other people - knowing (as most people just do) the differences that exist even when everything APPEARS the same.
@liquorice (3887)
19 Oct 08
Here, all schools here have uniforms, so I wore one at both my primary (elementary) and my secondary (high) schools. I think it's a good policy. I know if we hadn't had uniforms it would have been a constant dilemma trying to decide what to wear each day and there would have been a lot of teasing by the "cool" people of those who didn't have, or couldn't afford fashionable clothes. Ok, there was a lot of teasing anyway, and you're right, the "cool brigade" looked a lot cooler in their uniforms than the others; but a free licence to wear whatever we wanted would have made that a thousand times worse! As well as the financial reason, (which can sometimes be disputed), having a common uniform instills a kind of team-spirit, making the kids feel as if they're really part of the school, just like a football kit makes you feel part of the team. Just watching kids who first join a school wearing their uniforms for the first time, you can see that it makes them feel important, and proud to be part of something special enough that they have to wear a smart uniform! I think I'll be quite glad of the uniform when my daughter starts school in a couple of years. I think it will make it easier to get her dressed in the morning as there won't be any debate about what she's wearing!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I guess I can't argue that it WOULD make things easier because you don't have to decide what to wear, I like to have choices. It is depressing not to have choices. Part of the fun for me is deciding what I feel like wearing lol.
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
We only wear uniforms in school. We have lots of time to choose on clothers when we are not in school. My parents providedme well. Lots of clothes and lots pf uniforms. So are my children now. They were branded clothes and shoes. I buy them their clothers. we go out together,they choose. They have lots of uniforms too,I mean 1 kind only but 1 for each day. Its our culture...and different countries,different cultures...I am glad, I was raised this way.
• Philippines
20 Oct 08
I meant wear-not were branded ...
• United States
19 Oct 08
I am against school uniforms. I totally agree with what you have stated and also feel that the uniforms restrict a person's individuality. It would of killed me to have to had dressed the same as everyone else when i was in school. I don't like looking like everyone else.
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• United States
19 Oct 08
i dont like school uniforms either but i think they are coming to my sons school next year
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I don't like looking like everyone else either. If I do, I have my own reasons, NOT because I 'want to look like everyone else'. Ugh. Enough people are just part of a crowd, a lemming perhaps. Enough people just follow trends instead of making them. Why the heck would I want to contribute or be involved in that? I also (if I have to) want to stand out in a GOOD way, not a BAD way, and the only way that can happen is if I choose how I look and how I dress. Nobody else has any remote idea what I am most comfortable in and what fits me best.
• United States
19 Oct 08
Back when i was in school it was fought over, whether we should have school uniforms or not. Luckily it was voted down. Part of the problem at my school is that some of the students couldn't follow the few rules we had regarding what we wore. Kids wearing shorts to short and what not.
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• India
19 Oct 08
Uniform has a lot of meaning. It instills discipline in people. People will be identified from a distance if they do something wrong. It instils brotherhood and unity to belong toe the same organisation. In the army, peoprl have respect for their uniform and get ready to give up their life for the honour of the uniform, the insignia, the flag. By wearing uniforms, the caste, creed and religious differences are hidden leading to greater unity.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I don't think it's a problem for a uniform to be used in the military. That makes sense to me. It also makes sense from the standpoint of using a uniform at work - shirts and hats at McDonald's, scrubs for nurses at a hospital. It just makes little sense to do that to kids. As an adult, you KNOW a job you decide to do might require a uniform. YOU can choose not to apply for that job if you don't want to wear it. When it's a choice you can make or not, I think it's perfectly fine. If it's something mandatory you have no say over and no options, I just cannot agree.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
19 Oct 08
I will jot some advantages of having a school uniform. There would not be any difference between social classes. Students would not be teased about the way they dress especially if they come from low income family. That is a valid point why I am in favour of a uniform. © ronaldinu 2008
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Well.... the problem here is that people with more money will buy more uniforms, and they will alter them so they fit better and thus look nicer. If you have more uniforms, they do not have to be washed as often and will look new longer - if they fit better they will just look nicer in general. I realize that this is the major argument for most people in favor of them, even if I were less comfortable financially I would still be against them. I do not believe it's fair to force everybody to look the same. There are so few choices kids have while being kids. Taking away one as important as how they dress and what they wear is something I am not willing to do. I like to buy my daughter cute little clothes and she enjoys helping pick out what she likes.
@mimico (3617)
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
I think it's to make employees fit in with the institution. With a uniform, employees or students instantly look like they belong to a certain organization whether they like it or not. Thus, the organization's identity is upheld by its employees or students or staff. I don't really think it's a bad thing. I actually like uniforms because I would worry less about what to wear.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I'd rather worry about what to wear than not have a choice at all. I am shocked at the number of people who do not care that they don't have a choice. I find this oppressive and strange.
@liquorice (3887)
19 Oct 08
I suppose there are bigger things to worry about than not having a choice over what you wear to school. But anyway, most people accept the uniform if it's what they're used to; and you can express yourself in many ways while still wearing the uniform, if that's important to you. Within the uniform itself you can often decide what style of skirt to wear for example, or how to wear your hair (which Gemma also mentioned), which shoes to wear, and which other accessories you have. Plus there are many other ways to express yourself other than what you wear. We express ourselves through our personalities, what we speak about, what we write about, what we draw etc.. and just by being ourselves in our day to day lives.
@chingbeem (910)
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
In the Philippines,only the Manila international school doesnt require students to wear uniform. But for all of us who went to catholic schools,we wore uniform for the rest of our school life.This is simply because,nuns and priests have the vow of simplicity. Ours is a catholic country so we abide by the culture. The uniforms is a symbol of equality and simplicity. In my daughters previous school,anexclusive school for girls ran by Good shepherd nuns, uniform is required. For hairclips,bags,only white,brown and white were allowed.It was good for the girls. They didnt mind so much for trinkets and all.Only 1 piece of jewelry was allowed.Either earrings or watch.bracelet was not allowed. We didnt mind it.It actually helped a lot in molding the girls. Now my daughter is in college, she wears an all white blouse and skirt as she is now in a Jesuit ran University. They need to follow the prescribed uniform and shoes. With public schools,the kids usually belong to the lower income families,so they have usually no descent clothes to wear to school,so politicians usually provide uniforms.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
That's another point - on top of uniforms to have separate schools? I don't agree with that either. We are a two-gender society. Trying to 'shelter' people from the way things really are does not do good. People who are overprotected rarely do well when they encounter real life, it is like culture shock and a lot of adjusting has to happen in a relatively short amount of time or you sink. I should know, I experienced it myself. I would never want my kids to experience that.
@vidhyavini (6111)
• India
19 Oct 08
The purpose of Uniforms is to show the rand the poor in the same way. When there are no uniforms the rich ones will wear new dresses everyday. But what about the poor one. They will have to wear the same set of dresses every day. They will definitely feel bad about it. Students will not mingle with each other. This will create a lot of differences and a gap between the rich people and poor ones. Thats not good for the country also. Happy mylotting.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Students already gravitate towards those they feel they have things in common with. I don't think it necessarily has to do with money, it has to do with things in common (of which money could be one). Case in point - I attended a private school. I don't like private school. Mine was a small group of mostly overprivelaged kids whose parents had money. I did not feel that way. Others ASSUMED it was true even though it wasn't. I was not comfortable socially until I got older. Now as an adult I see a lot of things really did not matter, but when you're a kid, you can't fathom that. You don't see a lot of things for what they really are. Having people make assumptions about you - even if they could be good - is NOT good, there is a lot of worry that someone will suddenly realize they were wrong about you.
• India
19 Oct 08
The purpose of Uniforms is to show the rich and the poor in the same way. Mistake in typing.. Sorry..
• United Kingdom
19 Oct 08
When I was at school I never had to wear a uniform! Now that I think about it I was so glad about that! However, the latest news that I had from that school was that pupils now had to start wearing uniforms, I'm glad that I escaped in time! There is an issue surrounding uniforms that is quite important I think. When you wear a school uniform I suppose you do fit in with the rest of the school! You almost become a part of a team! If you remember, whenever school children were wearing plain clothes there was the tendency for bullying to take place. One kid would wear a decent pair of trainers and another kid would just have those plain old black plimsoles! There would be comparisons in relation to clothes. So, uniforms are good in that respect! You all look the same and so there's none of the "my clothes are better than your clothes!" chitter chatter! I grant you, some kids look better in uniforms than others! Some kids are messing around with their uniforms though, shortening the ties and so forth! I personally think that wearing a uniform makes you look smart. Anyway, there goes my theory! Andrew
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Hehe.. if I HAD to wear a uniform? White tshirt and a plaid skirt and uh... tights or knee highs. Sorry but the skirt HAS to be shorter than my knees, I am 5'1 and I look ridiculous unless my skirts are shorter. I'd hate wearing a tie... do they make girls wear ties? LOL!
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
a short skirt will be nice....but not allowed in catholic schools. There is lenght requirement.
• United Kingdom
19 Oct 08
Yes, girls and boys alike have to wear ties nowadays. That's nice regarding the short skirt. Andrew
@jelai24 (221)
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
when i am in my college days even in elementary & high school i always wear my uniform i am proud to be a student of that institution that is why i always wear uniform....uniform is not only a dress but it also a sign were school are u came from...
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Ah.. well, this is why I always purchased a hoodie (sweatshirt) or tshirt from my school with the logo and name on it. I never minded having something like that, both to show what school I went to and to have a memory to wear years later. Now if I were forced to wear it I likely would not have been as happy.
@maroseqf (3657)
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
majority, if not all, of elementary (gradeschool) and high schools here in the philippines require their students to wear uniform. i think there is nothing bad about that since filipinos are used to that practice. i think uniforms are made for additional identification. so, the students get associated with their respective schools. due this, school management require proper uniform and decourum since people can easily pin point the students who are enrolled in their school. i don't think it is meant to make people look the same. well, in college, there are no uniforms required. i liked it but still, wearing a uniform doesn't bother me.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
There's that phrase again - making everybody look the same. I don't think it is safe or healthy to promote trying to make everybody look the same. I see nothing wrong with a school logo or colors or wearing a badge or ID or something but I definitely have this problem with making everybody look the same. Don't you (and others?) figure that if everyone wanted to look the same, we would? Purposely?
• United States
19 Oct 08
I went to a school with uniforms, and it didn't bother me at all, or other people. Uniforms allow people to not have to pick out clothes for the next day, its a time saver. It is also a money saver. The point is, is that everyone is wearing the same thing, nothing is flashy, or inappropriate. Uniforms aren't distracting in school, and point of school is obviously education, and this helps students focus more on school, than what they look like. I think that it is fair.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I don't see how jeans and tshirts are distracting either, just that people can obviously buy the jeans and tshirts they like and feel comfortable in. I would also venture to say the adults that run the institutions believe that making everyone look the same makes kids focus more on education but I do not believe that is true at all. It's a nice try but I don't agree that it accomplishes the goal.
• Philippines
19 Oct 08
it can be distracting in a way that,some parents could provide expensive shoes,pants and shirts...but others could not...the target here is simplicity and equality...since most of our schools are ran by priests and nuns, sleeveless blouses,open sandals are usually not allowed,so better to wear uniform to look proper always.
• United States
18 Oct 08
I think that uniforms help with the money differences. I cant afford to buy really expensive clothes for my kids and if I could I probibly still would not. With uniforms every one dresses the same and there isnt name brands or not. I guess after a while there would be new and old but still the concept remains the same.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Have you seen how expensive uniforms are? They cost at least as much as ordinary clothes if not more. If you know where to shop and shop the sales, you can find clothing that your kids like within your budget just as easily as buying uniforms. There also doesn't have to be expensive altering of ordinary clothes. A lot of the uniforms I see are ill-fitting, at least in my opinion. Sorry but I don't want to wear a shirt with sleeves too long or a skirt that is hanging past my knees.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I actually think that uniforms are a good idea. School uniforms tend to put a stop to the whole who has better cloths, what's acceptable and what isn't and kids wearing gang colors. I don't think they need to be real elaborate...a simple skirt or pants, a basic top and shoes...that's not a huge deal. As for work...I think those are also good simply b/c if they have different colored uniforms for different workers it's easier to identify them...white uniforms is nurses, green uniforms are doctors, blue uniforms are cleaning, pink uniforms are candy stripers, ect. You get the idea. Again a simple uniform with a facility logo isn't that big of a deal. [b]~~IN SEARCH OF PEACE WITHIN~~ **AGAINST THE STORMS, I WILL STAND STRONG** [/b]
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
I just don't like the idea of having to wear a plaid skirt longer than your knees, having to wear shirts with collars or white blouses, etc etc. I would have no problem if I was told 'you can only wear jeans, pants, or skirts and you cannot wear spaghetti strap shirts or halter tops'. Having no leeway in how you look is very frustrating and confining.
@Areus13 (25)
• Canada
18 Oct 08
I have never attended a school with uniforms. However, I still know enough to strongly disagree with them. Forcing everybody to dress the same way doesn't let them express themselves through the way they dress, and taking away a means of expression and creativity is always a bad thing. Trying to make everyone look the same is bad and futile: obviously people are never going to be the same, and it would be a very dull world if everyone was.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Thank you. I agree with your statement here. I have never attended a school with uniforms either, just a dress code. I can't always say I agreed with THAT either because sometimes they are picky about lengths of things or saying your shirts must have collars or you can't wear open toed shoes or flip flops. In all actuality, they should just be happy that some kids don't show up dressed for the beach or dressed for a prom at the rate we are going these days. I don't see how the way someone dresses can be a safety hazard or 'destructive to learning' if all the parents shop in the same stores and the kids all wear the same sorts of clothing. It does not NEED to be the same. I really think that people who want everybody to be the same have something wrong with them, that is not the reality of humanity or of life. You rarely if ever find something exactly the same in nature, even identical twins are not exactly the same! Snowflakes are all different. Flowers are all different.
@BinaryKat (735)
• United States
18 Oct 08
I think the purpose of uniforms is so that kids would be more focused on their schooling than worrying about what is hip today. I also think with a set uniform there would no worries about what is appropriate to wear in school like you do with regular clothing.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
The problem with this is that 'should be' based on what some adults think is never going to be how the majority of kids view it. I am an adult and I agree with the kids on this front. I didn't want someone telling me how I could dress when I was a kid and I don't want it as an adult. I doubt I will change my mind in the future because I think how you dress is part of who you are. Some people may not care but I would rather face a firing squad for dressing how I like than bowing to some idiot person's ideal of 'how I should look'.
• Canada
19 Oct 08
Uniforms promote good dress habits, don't they? Well, I'll admit right now that I've never been to a "uniformed school", but my opinion is still credible. Anyway, good dress habits are an absolute MUST for a good job in today's society. Can you imagine a person in street clothes working at the corporate level? As with the point of making everyone look the same, well... there, I do not see much point, except maybe promoting unison throughout the school complex. Personally, I don't think uniforms highlight individuals, they make them one of a hundred. With all those uniforms around, it's pretty hard to distinguish one single person, unless, of course, the person in question REALLY stood out. All in all, I think uniforms are fine where they belong.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
You bring up an excellent point, Pumpkin. 'Can you imagine a person in street clothes working at the corporate level?'. With telecommuting and meetings online - I do not see why not. I think is very closed minded and petty to consider somebody's dress as applicable in the long run to whether they are qualified or can perform an excellent job! I can tell you that I could collect from insurance companies as well from home in my BATHROBE as I could wearing a suit and pumps in my office. Society has a big issue with appearance and I am never failed to be amazed at how ridiculous it gets. I do agree that it may be important to get your foot in the door but once you have proven yourself, it has no bearing on your knowledge or skills.
@kezza246 (82)
19 Oct 08
The secondary school that i attend has a school uniform. It is a :- Red and black stripy tie Navy blue blazer Light blue shirt Black trousers Black shoes. I think that the purpose of school uniform is to make pupils look neater. And also bullying is a big issue, and wearing the school uniform gets rid of bullys picking on people for the clothes that they are wearing.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Oct 08
It's a good thing for people to learn not to care what others think of what they wear - because to be honest the only person it should really matter to is YOU. Bullying also needs to be dealt with the correct way - not by removing choice of clothing but by punishing people who bully. If they were continually punished, they would eventually stop bullying - OR they'd be kicked out of the school. I don't think other people would keep bullying if they saw previous bullies were kicked out.
19 Oct 08
i go to the same school as keiran and wearing your own uniform would be a major problem at our school. People would constanly get bullied for what they are wearing. Also who would have time to choose in the morning. I sure wouldn't
19 Oct 08
when i say wearing you own uniform i mean wearing your own clothes!