Curious Question About Protesting...

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@twoey68 (13627)
United States
November 13, 2008 4:39pm CST
Another discussion led me to view a video on the protesting going on in California over Proposition 8...the banning of gay marriage in California. It passed in the election. Evidently there are alot of gays and lesbians angry and upset. I also watched some other videos on the protesting and it raised a question. The gays and lesbians have protested in front of the Mormons temple and in front of Rick Warren's church The Saddleback Church in California. Both of these churches are predominately white. However, in a video with Bill O'Reilly about the protesting it was shown that 70% of the ppl that voted for Prop 8 were blacks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z59mbdbFxQU So, my question is simple...if the majority of the votes were from blacks why are they not protesting the black churches??? Is it b/c they are afraid that it would turn into a bloodbath or is it b/c it's just easier to blame someone else? One person said that they should protest the courts and not the churches. I was really surprised at how violent and vulgar some of them were...swearing continuously, getting in ppl's faces, screaming and yelling. Like it or not, ppl voted. [b]~~MY OWN PEACE WITHIN~~ **STAND STRONG AND BELIEVE IN YOURSELF**[/b]
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
14 Nov 08
Aren't these things always twisted? They have to have someone to blame and it has to be the 'Christians'....and why not the white churches? I think the reason they are in front of the Mormon church protesting is because they gave the majority of the money to help stop this Proposition 8 from passing. I saw a black lesbian talking on TV tonight, and I think she was upset with the black population for voting for it. But, hey, they don't want it and why not vote that? We all have a right to vote whatever we feel is right - the people have spoken; it just doesn't go over well with those who have lost.
@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
14 Nov 08
Protest the courts? Wasn't it the supreme court that struck down the first law and made it legal again for a few months? Why would the protests be at the courts if it wasn't the court who was against it? I believe the term is "preaching to the choir ..." There were many reports of the Mormon church being the most reported funder of the "Yes" movement - up to 40% - including the commercial that threatened that if defeated California will be required to teach homosexuality to kindergartners. I only personally experienced one gathering of people - on all four corners of a major intersection in Citrus Heights, east of Sacramento, were hundreds of yellow "Yes on 8" signs and blue "No on 8" signs, as well as other homemade placards (mainly from the "No" crowd). Of course this was before the election, and no visible violence in the immediate vicinity. But it was the "Yes" people with one or two dozen cars zooming around for one or more blocks around the intersection, honking their horns and screaming (not angry screaming, the young adult/late teen kind of screaming to get attention) - I was at a bus stop waiting for my bus to take me home, and I quietly voiced my opinion to a carload of young people, simply shaking my head and saying, "No". They tried to engage me in a quick debate, but they were in a car at a stop light, and had to go when it turned green, and one guy told me as they went by, "You got to obey the law." Indeed. I like the opinion of one news blogger, I regret I can't remember who it was. It was a simple solution. Remove all the special rights for married couples, which is obviously a religiously-loaded term, and give all those rights to civil unions. Of course those who are married are also civil unions, so they will have the same rights, and the out-of-religion civil unions will have the same exact rights.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I just want to know HOW do they figure black were the most to vote this way?
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I guess I wasnt asked anything fter voting!
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
It's not completely accurate, but is the only source for testing the demographic. They poll one out of every five people who exit the polls during the busiest times and then gather an average.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
Exit polls
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Actually, O'Reilly said that 70% of blacks voted for prop 8. Given that only 12% of California's population is black(and assuming every adult Californian voted), that means that only roughly 8% or so of the people that voted for prop 8 were black. Eight percent is hardly a majority figure. On the other hand, I guarantee you religious bigots were most definitely the majority of people who voted for prop 8, so it's fitting that they'd protest those they believe to be religious bigots.
@walijo2008 (4644)
• United States
13 Nov 08
I agree with you, like it or not, the people voted. What would they do if all the people who voted against Obama went and protested on the White House steps? Would that make any sense, no it wouldn't, it wouldn't make any difference, because the people voted.
@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I attended my first and only protest late in 2003, I imagine it was, attempting to postpone the certification of the vote for California for Bush for president. You are right, you see how much good it did.
@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
14 Nov 08
oops, no, 2004 obviously - forgot about how the voting operated
@mentalward (14691)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I can't believe this! Well, yes I can because the proof is there but, geesh! If you want to get something changed (or changed BACK in this case), violence and anger are NOT the way to go about it! Protesting a church isn't going to do them any good, either. Those churches aren't responsible (or solely responsible) for the banning of gay marriage! A lot more gets accomplished with being calm and reasonable than protesting and violence! I can almost know how they feel, though. I always put myself in the others' shoes before I make any decisions on things like this. If marriage between men and women was suddenly illegal, I'd be pretty upset and angry myself! I doubt I'd get violent, though. I don't even like raising my voice! I'd find a more productive way to go about protesting. Like you said, the people voted.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I think because it's always because of religous reasons and people quoting the bible about gay being "wrong" that they target the churches. They're trying to "sway" the religous people's votes. Protesting at the courthouse will not get them noticed by the people who they feel voted against them. I have no idea why they picked a church or region that didn't statistically vote against what they wanted.
• United States
14 Nov 08
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Twoey, I vowed to stay clear of controversial topics but this one is one that I have to respond to. I am in complete agreement with you that churches should not be protested. However, I watched the video on the link you provided. It said exactly what you said, but it also gave who supported it at the end of the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZKuUuElZg&feature=related It was supported by the Church of the Latter Day Saints, Osama Bin Laden, and Other Religious Fundamentalists. FOX news is know for its religious and far right stance on just about every topic as is Bill O'Reilly. May I please suggest that in order to balance this you look at the following two YouTube segments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpTBF6EfxY&feature=related This is an editorial statement from Keith Olbermann of MSNBC on the topic of Love vs Hate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtUHInzmgl4 This is a segment that shows a For Prop 8 protest. Please look at it and see what happens to the gay man. It is a horror. I hope this post does not offend you or anyone else but it is my personal opinion that People are People and we are all the same.~Donna
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I agree that the appropriate place to protest is in front of the court or at your local city hall. Tomorrow when I go to a local rally we are going to gather at the city hall and hopefully the whole thing will be very civil. Massachusetts is a pretty chill place so I imagine that we won't have any real problems.
@vivasuzi (4127)
• United States
14 Nov 08
"I was really surprised at how violent and vulgar some of them were...swearing continuously, getting in ppl's faces, screaming and yelling. Like it or not, ppl voted. " That line right there shows me how ignorant some people are! Yelling and swearing at people is not going to get them on your side. I agree, they should protest the courts- not the churches. If they are mad, they should be mad it's a law at all, not mad at the people who are against it. Regardless of WHO voted against gay marriage, those people do not deserve to be protested and harrased. IT is their right to vote how they want, so they should be protesting the lawmakers for even making the law if they have problems with it. If this happened in my state, and people were outside MY church being rude, crude, swearing and yelling, I would make it a point to vote against ANYTHING that would help those people in the future. All they are doing by protesting citizens is digging a hole for their own cause.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
14 Nov 08
If they protest the black churches then they would no longer be politically correct and would do irreparable damage to their disgraceful and disgusting cause. Then there is the fact that they know the blacks would not tolerate such disrespectful behavior and they would start breaking heads. Therefore I have to conclude that they are cowards. The bottom line is that the people have spoken for the second time now, and changed the constitution of California so that activists judges can not overturn the will of the people in the definition of what marriage is. The gays should just get over themselves and the fact that they lost. There is a lawsuit pending in an attempt to thwart the will of the people and invalidate the vote. This is clear evidence that the gays do not believe in the rule of law and our democratic process, and don't care whose rights get trampled in in their selfish quest to have their depraved lifestyle choice legitimized.
@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I did not realize that. I am puzzled about that indeed. I can understand protesting say in front of a "fundamentalist" Mormon Church for their beliefs of multiple wives, etc. Was this video chosen by Bill O'Reilly who has been known as someone who likes to irritate people.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
17 Nov 08
They protest there at the Mormon church because that church poured a lot of money and effort into getting Prop 8 defeated. I think rather than protest and create negative feelings--even fear in some people--they should get to work to try to educate people and get it on the ballot again.
@glords (2614)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I think they are protesting the churches who put the most money into the campaign for Proposition 8... but I could be wrong.... I know the mormon's put millions into it.
@GardenGerty (157551)
• United States
13 Nov 08
They have picked the largest groups or churches they can find, because it gets the most attention for the media. People did vote. People can also protest, the voting and the protesting are their civil rights. I sure hope it does not turn violent.
• United States
14 Nov 08
Not to mention grabing a cross from a 69 year old woman and crashing on the ground and stomping on it. Now those are real men. That is right. That is why they did not protest at the black churches..because they are afraid of them. If someone wants to be gay that is up to them, but please, knock off the in your face stuff. We do not have to approve of gays, we do not have to endorse them, we do not have to give them special rights...I just do not find anything special about one man putting his p*nis in another man's b*tt. That is pathetic. And please understand if I don't want them fixing my sandwich at the local deli. My sandwich. My stomach...my way.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
14 Nov 08
they need to get a life. if everybody would mind their own buisness they would have a full time job.
14 Nov 08
Hi twoey68, Gosh!!! in this day and age of freedom of choice, people sould have the right to choose, I really would not like to get involved in all that it scares me what people in America can do. Tamara