Is Obama A US Citizen?

@bestboy19 (5481)
United States
December 1, 2008 4:06pm CST
Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg democrat and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania has filed a suit against Barack H. Obama challanging Obama's lack of qualifications to serve as President of the United States. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari in the US Supreme Court. The Court has set dates in which Obama and the other co-defendants are to respond to the Writ which is before Dec. 1, 2008. Philip J. Berg believes Barack Obama was born in Mombasa Kenya as his paternal grandmother and half brother and sister say. A birth certificate was posted on the internet showing Obama was born in Hawaii. Some say this certificate if a forgery. There is a discrepancy as to which hospital Obama was born in, Kapiolani Medical Center or Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. What if it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that Obama was not a citizen of the United States. Would you still want him to be President, or should the Constitution be followed?
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17 responses
@oneidmnster (1387)
• United States
1 Dec 08
I'd like to know what he's afraid of.He has to know these lawsuits are out there.Why won't he just show proof that he's a citizen,if he is one. I didn't want him as my President in the first place.Of course,I didn't really want McCain,either.
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@bestboy19 (5481)
• United States
2 Dec 08
I'd like to know why the Governor of Hawaii sealed his birth records. I'm like you, I didn't want McCain either.
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• United States
2 Dec 08
I might be wrong but I thought he did prove he was born in Hawaii.
@capirani (1841)
• United States
2 Dec 08
The document in Hawaii is supposedly a forgery and there are many good reasons to believe it is a forgery. They are asking for him to show the original document rather than this one which is not the original.
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2 Dec 08
come on now that is pure racism. because he is the first black president in the history of america everyone has a problem with him. why are they digging that deep only when he is president. why didnt they do it when he was a candidate??????
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
2 Dec 08
There is nothing racist at all in my comments - I dont have a racist bone in my body. Obama is just like a dearly loved member of my family - MIXED race and we tell her - no matter what the color of her skin she is classed the same as everyone else she is HUMAN - same goes for Obama - but if he is not a citizen then he needs to go, but I might add that the Democratic Party is going to take a hit big time for running a non-citizen candidate.
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@dinkle (67)
• United States
2 Dec 08
I think you are absolutely right, I mean you need to ask yourself the question: Under the exact same circumstances, only the candidate were white, would we even be having this discussion?
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
They did it when he was a candidate. There is no racism involved at all. In fact only recently was one additional suit filed by somebody from KY. The first post-election law suit to try and get Obama to produce the birth certificate. All the others were pretty much squashed by Obama's lawyers as far back as May/June I believe. This is not something new. This also would have come up if any other candidate would have had a questionable citizenship. In fact McCain was questioned as he was born in Panama, when his father was stationed there. He promptly produced the proper documentation. Nothing to do with race at all.
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
1 Dec 08
There are still people filing law suits for him to proof that he is a natural US citizen. I just heard today that somebody in KY filed a law suit to that extend. Apparently the first after election one. Would I want him to be my president... well, I didn't vote for him in the first place, lol... but even if I would have, the law should be followed. He of all people being that he is a lawyer, should know the requirement. Blatantly disregarding it and running anway... well IMO that's disregarding all of our laws, our entire system... and no, if he is not a natural US citizen, lost citizenship somewhere along the way... no, he should not be president. Given that there are so many fanatic Obama followers, even if the allegations are found to be true, they still would want him to be president and will push him into office somehow. I have no illusions about that;)
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@bestboy19 (5481)
• United States
2 Dec 08
I am sure there would be an Obama supporter outcry and probably a charge of racism if the charge is proven.
@capirani (1841)
• United States
2 Dec 08
He knows the law. He is up to something here. He has some kind of agenda. What that is, I don't know. But I don't trust the guy. He is refusing to respond for a reason. Or maybe he is not as smart as he seems and doesn't realize that this is not one of those things that will go away if he ignores it.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Oh, he is not ignoring it. He has his lawyers working on it trying to squash any law suit etc. I agree, something is up. If he had nothing to hide, why just not open up everything and show the people that he has the most basic qualification required by law. Some people think there is something else inconvenient on that birth certificate that he wants to keep secret, not necessarily birth location but something else like religion, name, or something else embarrassing.. Why on earth he just simply doesn't produce the vault certificate, well, we'll eventually find out.. somebody will dig deeper and see what was up with that. Maybe not in our lifetime anymore though but eventually the truth will come out.
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@MntlWard (880)
• United States
2 Dec 08
It surprises me that some people still think the Clintons' lawyers and the Republicans' lawyers would let Obama get away with such a thing.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Maybe... but doesn't it cause you to wonder why he doesn't just simply produce the proper documentation? Why fight so vehemently every attempt to get him to do that? Is he above reproach? If I would be in his position, I would want to prove that I have the most basic qualification to be a President of the United States of America, that I am a natural born citizen. So why not just produce the darn document and put an end to this instead of wasting the time of several courts, including the US Supreme Court?
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@MntlWard (880)
• United States
3 Dec 08
Who's to say he hasn't provided proper documentation to the people who actually need to see it, as opposed to some guy on the internet who's believing all these rumors?
@capirani (1841)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Apparently, if Obama has not responded by today, the Court has to decide what to do as to whether to override the election results or to change the Constitution. From what I have heard, if the election results are done away with, McCain will automatically become the president. I also have not heard if there has been anything happening today about him providing the actual birth certificate. If you check regularly with the obamacrimes.com website, you will see that there is a video with some document expert saying that the birth certificate on record now is a forgery and his reasons for saying so. Apparently since both the PA Supreme Court and now the US Supreme Court has followed through on this issue, it is definitely a real issue. What people don't seem to care about is if Obama is qualified to be president, why doesn't he just prove it like he has been court ordered to do? What is his agenda? The only thing here that makes sense to me is that he has to have some kind of agenda, like maybe to get the Constitution changed, or some other just as drastic measure. I also think it is very interesting that he chose today, the deadline given him by the US Supreme Court, to announce his cabinet choices. It was almost as though he is mocking all of us. But then, since the media isn't broadcasting anything about this yet because they support him, most people don't even know it is happening.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
He is an expert in constitutional law and apparently has said that the constitution is flawed. This would be perfect to put in some changes, lol. I agree, he should want to get this blemish erased. And it's so easy to do that. If he doesn't respond by today the Supreme Court can go and force Hawaii to unseal and produce the vault certificate. They definitely need to hand down a ruling about that by tomorrow. They can't just let this linger until the electoral vote has been passed.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20207509&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6 "Philip J. Berg, the Pennsylvania lawyer who filed a lawsuit against Mr. Obama in August, filed a writ requesting that the U.S. Supreme Court hear an appeal on his case, which was dismissed in early November. According to the writ, Mr. Obama has until Dec. 1 to respond to the petition for appeal. If the court grants the petition, the case will be scheduled for the filing of briefs and for oral argument." I suppose we can't expect a decision on this for some time to come. If you read further you'll notice that another case is pending there, too, about this issue. Lesson learned from this debacle: They need to put a proper vetting process into place. Produce the proper documentation or you can't run for president, period!
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• United States
2 Dec 08
It will go nowhere. He has been elected and they do not want a public embarressment of having to remove him. They MAY if it is proven before he is sworn in but Obama and his lawyers will try to stay it til afterwards. Personaly I have heard this story many times. I do not know if it is true. But part of me doesn't think so because in order to file the paperwork to even run for president you have to be able to prove you are a natural born citizen. So he had to have an American birth certificate then. They are going to have to actually prove he was born in Kenya. His family saying he was born there is not good enough. They are going to have to find the hospital records from their to prove it. If they exist. And if the hospital will actually give up the information.
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@capirani (1841)
• United States
2 Dec 08
If there was no real question about the authenticity of the document he claims is his birth certificate, do you really think the US Supreme Court would be bothered by such a thing? Of course not. The document is a very good likeness of a real certificate but may very well be a good forgery and the people wanting him to be elected probably didn't even look at it that closely. Thankfully some people have been checking things out deeper. We cannot afford to be a country of people who accept things just because they look legitimate. That happens too much of the time as it is.
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
A candidate doesn't have to provide proof of natural citizenship when filing to run for president. Apparently it's sufficient just to check a box or something.
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@dinkle (67)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Ok, seeing as the topic of this discussion is wheter or not Obama is a citizen, why not consider that before (and during) his presidential campaign, he was an Illinois state senator. One of the requirements of being a senator is to be a United States Citizen. So perhaps there could be some oversight in his citizenship during this presidential race, although considering there was no real news from the McCain campaign to take advantage of this, I think that is doubtful, he was still a senator, and to be a senator, you must be a United States Citizen.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
But to be president you have to be a natural born citizen. I guess when he ran for senator nobody questioned this. When he became candidate for president he was more on the national radar and people began to ask questions. I just question his motives behind not producing the document but instead having his lawyers squash any law suit filed to force him to do it... it's just strange.
@us2owls (1681)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Bestboy - the constitution should be followed. If it is proven that he is not a US citizen and allowed to stay in office then in my opinion he will be a one term President because Arnold Schwarznegger will run against him in the next Presidential election and beat him big time. Why should he be allowed to gly in the face of the constitution. If he was on the up and up he would have put forth a legal and qualified birth certificate long before now.
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
The Terminator!
@theonerm5 (365)
• United States
2 Dec 08
The constitution should definitely be followed! But I believe he is a US citizen!
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@quinnkl (1667)
• United States
2 Dec 08
He was born in Hawaii. This claim has been disproved many times. He is a US citizen. I don't know why people keeping passing along this info. Please check factcheck.org for actual factual information. Yes, the Constitution should be followed, and it IS! He would not be our President Elect if the birth certificate could not be proven. Rumors are so dangerous. Here is the information on the birth certificate for anyone who wants to see it http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html I hope this gets put to rest soon, and that no one is allowed to spend our taxpayers money with unsubstantiated lawsuits. We can't afford it!!!
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@suspenseful (40314)
• Canada
2 Dec 08
If I were an American citizen, I would want to know whether Obama is a U.S. citizen and I would not want him to be president. However, I would assume that those who voted for him, the Obamanites would want an exception be made in his case. So even if he were not born a U.S. citizen, because he is black, since it seems that blacks or African Americans can do no wrong, I am afraid that he will still be sworn in as President. Now had he been of another race or mixture, I am sure that he would have been kicked out. It is part of the white guilt that is foolishly followed to make up for the slavery of the negroes, that never happened to Obama's ancestors. Me? I believe the constitution should be followed and no exception should be made based on the person's ethnic group.
@goldeneagle (6774)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Well he certainly should not be allowed to take the Oath of Office until this matter is resolved without a doubt, and if it is discovered that he WAS born in Kenya, he should not only lose the position a president, he should also not be allowed to hold any other public office. I don't care what the Obama supporters say or how loud they scream about it, he should not be in office if he does not meet the requirements set forth in the Constitution. Not only that, but if he is not a citizen, then he is here illegally to begin with, and should be deported. Also, if that birth certificate that was posted online is a forged document, whoever posted it should be prosecuted. The only thing that got him elected to begin with was voter ignorance, but if he doesn't meet the qualifications, he should have to go...
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• United States
2 Dec 08
It does seem a little weird that he wouldn't just release the info, and there were some conflicting reports from family members about which hospital he was born in, but I do have to say, if everything were not on the up and up I can't immagine it would have come out long ago. I don't think the DNC would knowingly take the risk of putting up an a candidate that was not legally alowed to run.
@capirani (1841)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Don't be so sure. There is so much going on behind the scenes in today's political world that to think there is not anything illegal going on is to see the world with rose colored glasses. It could be that the forged birth certificate looks so good that no one even thought to question it within the Democratic party. They wanted him as their candidate so they might not have even thought it could be a forgery. But apparently, it could very well be a forgery. And even if it was a legitimate document, there is question as to if he remained an American citizen throughout his youth. If he had to give up that citizenship, for instance, he would have to go through the naturalization process all over again and there is no record that he has done so. If you haven't already, check out the obamacrimes.com website and also check your search engines for his other names that he has gone by over his lifetime. There is even the question if the name he is going by right now is even his legal name since he has used so many others.
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• United States
3 Dec 08
I have looked at a good deal of information on this just because it is interesting, but as someone said below. It is not only the DNC that was duped by this, The RNC and the Clintons had to have looked at it as well. Also in the information age we live in, there are a lot of small fries like ourselves who tend to do a little research. It just seems like someone whould have turned up something concrete.
@baileycows (3668)
• United States
1 Dec 08
No the constitution should be followed. However since the kind of people that voted him in office in the first place would probably vote to overrule the constitution. It is just ludicrious. However today is Dec 1st so what is the verdict.
@bestboy19 (5481)
• United States
2 Dec 08
I haven't heard what the verdict is.
@capirani (1841)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Today was his deadline. There would be no verdict today because he had until the end of the day to respond. The verdict will be still coming. Keep watching the obamacrimes.com website.
@sarawaken (360)
• Malaysia
2 Dec 08
i think he more look like african.
• United States
2 Dec 08
What does his appearance or ethnicity have anything to do with where he was born?
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@eynjel05 (444)
• Philippines
2 Dec 08
Let's all wait until such accusations have been proven. But for me, I believe that Obama is a legal US citezen because before a person wants to run for a certain position especially in government, there are lots of requirements needed. ANd Obama cannot be able to run for a president if hes not a legitimate US citezen. Anyway, if thats all true, well lets wait and find out.:-)
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
2 Dec 08
A person can run for president without providing the proper documentation such as birth certificate. Just check the box that you are and sign on the dotted line, lol. Looks like unless somebody questions it, there is no check at all. It's sad that people have to bring it all the way to the U.S. Supreme court to have this checked out. One would think there would be somebody in charge of checking out credentials, but there is not. Funny, isn't it?
• Nigeria
5 Dec 08
Now, let us be realistic for once, what make one a citizen of a country. i do not know the laws in america in that regard but i think it is common to most countries in the world and it is common sense. if my mom comes from a country diffrent from dad, that gives me dual citizenship at birth. it is now left to me to pledge allegiance to one when i become an adult. there is also citizenship by law given that both parents come from the same country. And so Obama's case, he has complied with the first condition. No one can deny him that, he has choosen america and so many years ago. this can be seen from his records and so the idea that he is not a citizen should not surface. of course no one will be happy to see a non-citizen of a country govern that country.