Is murder of non-believers blessed by God?

@Khayam (346)
Romania
December 13, 2008 6:20pm CST
The study of the Bible offers sometimes many comprehensive insights of our Christian religion. One controversial aspect is to be found in the Book of Exodus 32:27-29 I will provide you the text: Then he said to them: "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp one and to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neightbour.'" Then Moses said "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your sons and brothers, and He has blessed you this day." For a Christian's set of values, this text is rather controversial. What do you think?
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
God has blessed certain wars and battles throughout the Old Testament. I think that there is a distinction between killing in a war and murdering someone for selfish purposes. God spoke to these people and told them that their war was just. I have to wonder how many wars are going on today that God has given His blessing for...
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@Khayam (346)
• Romania
16 Dec 08
Well, that would be a very good topic for a discussion, milady
@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
14 Dec 08
This sort of thing is why I believe all religious books are dangerous, for a start no one knows who wrote these books and the translation of anything loses a certain amount of truth anyway in anything, there can only be one genuine book so who knows which one it is, they all interpret different things, i think they cause more trouble than they are worth, people should just live for today and love from the heart and listen to their inner voice and they can't go wrong...the books are not to be trusted...
@060157 (1059)
• Pakistan
14 Dec 08
i am sure that the verses you are quoting have a context to them as well. i am not believing in what you are saying till i read the context to this verse. similar tactics are used against Islam as well, by quoting such verses TOTALLY out of context. you should abstain from doing so.
@Khayam (346)
• Romania
16 Dec 08
You can read the whole chapter if you like. It is available on-line and I've given the exact details, if someone wants to read it. It is not a contextual quotation, just read it and then come with a conclusion. Thanks
14 Dec 08
Why do you speak like you are a christian and yet have no understanding of what it is you read? HUM,,, I guess you like takeing thing out of context, is this a comand of God that people should be doing this today? or was it a comand of Gad for the people of Isriel? Was it needed for them to do this so that they could become a nation? Have you ever compleatly read this book you like to find contraversy in? No you haven't.
@Khayam (346)
• Romania
16 Dec 08
I'm sorry but you are speculating too much. One of the Christian values is not to accuse others if you don't have any proof. You can't know how much I've read, you can't speculate that I'm superficial or profound, you can't speculate that the killing of the sons and brothers in this Biblical passage was a requirement for the building of a nation. It is a fact and facts/acts are to be understood and analyzed.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
I don't understand why people just cast every controversial verse in the Bible as "out of context." War was very much in context of the entire Old Testament!
• United States
14 Dec 08
Sorry, but you're misinterpreting. That time was very different from today, and it does point out that it was for that day only! Thou shalt not kill! If you've read the Old Testament, you know that we have a God of love and compassion Who helped emerging cultures get themselves a place in the world thousands of years ago.
• United States
15 Dec 08
What exactly did I misinterpret? I didn't say that God blesses the killing of nonbelievers. And Khayam simply asked what we thought of the issue. No one misinterpreted anything. If you see my post, I said that God blessed certain wars, and He did so by speaking to His people and His prophets. No one is taking that out of context. If I were to say "well because God blessed their war, I can go to war with whomever I want and kill nonbelievers" would be taking it out of context. I don't think that at all! I believe in peacebuilding! But to say that killing in a war justified by God = murder doesn't really make sense, for it was God who took the people's lives who were killed.
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
16 Dec 08
Killing of non-believers is as old as history.And in the Old World religion was the rallying point. At least the religious books have been honest about some of them. Think of those that have gone unrecorded. People have done what and where their emotions or the expediency of the moment took them and put the stamp of God's permission on them so that there are no pangs of guilt. This is how one needs to understand the conduct of war in the Old World. The cuases for the same could be just survival and nothing more. The one thing good about the Exodus is one race that was in enslavement came out of it, if they want to say it, by the Design of God. The Egyptians were at the time following idolatory, so in order to create a justifiable alternative, one could have moved out of idolatory. With some of them defaulting on the main separatist cause it must have been ethnic cleansing of dissent, that has been sanctified as the Will of God, so that the new found freedom is not lost. Today with the advent and advancement of learning, we are more concerned about classifyng genocides as some historic event letting religion, have nothing to do with it.
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
16 Dec 08
Thank you Khayyam, for marking best response. I have just expressed my felings about such things.
• United States
14 Dec 08
I believe that the Bible is a history and writings that is someone's views so I do not think that God condones murders if you just take that one verse and read it by itself. You have to take what God said and what has happened before that passage to understand what God said and why he said it. In think that is just what we are doing to protect our county in times of war. I do not like the idea or war but sometimes we have to "strap a sword our sides and each kill our brother and friend" to protect our country. It is not saying go on a mass killing spree and murder your neighbors for no good reason.
• United States
14 Dec 08
Since this is Old Testament, it's one of many passages that cause people to think of us Jews as evil and murderous. Just about everyone accepts that, in Biblical times, societies were emerging, and people were trying to make places for their communities. This required behavior that is not acceptable anymore. It's never OK to kill anyone! The ten comandments supercede this and any other story from the Bible, and The shalt not kill! Many Bible stories are metaphorical, and this one is, too, especially in today's world.
@celticeagle (159710)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Dec 08
Heavens no! I think you are taking that out of context. God would never condone such a thing. This was a lesson wasn't it? God would never have this done.
• United States
14 Dec 08
No, murder itself is not accepted by god. period.
@sixclix (677)
• Philippines
14 Dec 08
Killing is never blessed by God. Religion in the old testament is political at the same time. They use religion to campaign for war and conquer new territories. Today, the same is true. Since religion and ideals lie in the heart and minds of everyman, people use them as tools to campaign for conquest. In countries where religion is still part of politics, politicians use it to rouse the people to fight for them. In countries where the separation of church and state is followed, they use ideals such as democracy to campaign for war and conquest. Regardless of whether you use religion or democracy as an excuse, they never justify the atrocities committed in their name.
@Khayam (346)
• Romania
16 Dec 08
Intriguing vision, sixclix. Really... intriguing. Maybe you add more detail and post a discussion on this topic. It really made me think alot.
@liisafiat (659)
• Latvia
14 Dec 08
No way. We all are so different, and this is the way how God wanted it to be. God want that both believers and non-believers exist in this world. It is wrong perception of the world, when believers starts to think that they have a power to decide: who live and who: don`t. Murder is not and can not be accepted by non of us. Not God, not believers, not non believers. Even eating an animal (fish, cow, lamb) at the dinner can be considered to be a murder. Do You explain this murder of animal like: that lamb can not belive in God so I has all right to kill it? No way! this is why people pray before meal: thank You for the food and water You gaved to us and please forgive us for taking this out of the Nature, becaue it is needed to keep up our existence.
• United States
14 Dec 08
Seeing that the bible also describes the LORD as a God of love, I do not see why He would honor murder. Fighting an enemy is entirely different from just random killing. Many issues addressed in the Old Testament differ from those in the New Testament, therefore, their outcomes differ . When Jesus came to earth, you notice a shift in the way that most situations were handled as well.
@Khayam (346)
• Romania
16 Dec 08
A brother, a son, a neightbour is not an enemy, tiatime. Killing your son is not fighting a war in the name of God, is killing someone you have given life to, someone who you should have protected, someone who trusted you as a parent
• India
14 Dec 08
I think that line does not mean you have been blessed to kill , but that you have been blessed with the coming of christ and that it is now time for the killings to stop.
@srhelmer (7029)
• Beaver Dam, Wisconsin
14 Dec 08
Depends on which religious texts you follow. If you're Christian, Christ tells us not to judge others; including non-believers.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Dec 08
God of Israel? how many gods do we have? God is love, religion is created by people and every religion has dangerous part for people who will take it as is written. Bible is very controversial book, with too many correction made with false translation from the original. I don't look at bible as the ultimate true. I don't trust any religion.