Yay, four sentences will grant me pay - linecounters...

@cyberfluf (4996)
Netherlands
January 3, 2009 1:36am CST
How do you all feel about this? I have seen many people on mylot asking about how many lines a decent response needs to get paid out. Sounds fair, after all there is not a single person in mylot who tells mylot to just keep their money at the end of the month because we all like the fact we get paid (whether or not it is our main motivation to be here). What does bother me is the people who count down every sentence to make sure they dó get paid, but have to make as little effort as possible and jump to the next discussions to make as much replies as possible within the hour. These response tend to have a static look, weird grammar and sometimes they hardly relate to the topic. Anyway, they are better than the oneliners or even oneworders (!) that are out there aswell. Don't get me wrong, a short response can be descriptive aswell and there is no point in going over the same thing time and again just to add lenght to your discussion, but I do feel mylot should be about communicating and actually engaging in a discussion. If people stop replying to their responses and the responses themselves are barely able to be responded to, the whole idea of mylot pretty much gets crushed. Opinions welcome .
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18 responses
• Mauritius
3 Jan 09
i think we shud try to keep our comments short but to the point as then people will bother to read them
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
Thank you eviltormentor, I consider being to the point to be good thing. I am talking about posts that do not add anything at all, for example the oneliners that say: "Yeah, I think so too". Personally I like it when people explain their point of view and you did do that in your onelined response here. It's short but I don't see anything wrong with it. The shorter the better is a fact? I don't think a saying can be a fact at the same time, or better said: I don't think shorter is allways neccesairly better. As is longer, that's not allways better either. It depends on the discussion and what you are trying to get accross. Some responses are better off short(er), others could do with some more explaining.
• Philippines
4 Jan 09
so the saying goes: THE SHORTER, THE BETTER. But I think some things are really worth thinking and worth explaining that is why you answer in a lengthy manner. If we are stating facts: the shorter, the better. no more, no less. If we are to comment on an issue it depends, if you want to indulge the reader into your world, then answer as long as you want. if you want to be safe, answer in several sentences only. HAPPY MYLOTTING!
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@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
4 Jan 09
I've seen a lot of people asking that question on here, and I have to agree, it's weird-you either want to post to a site like this, or you don't. What's the point? I like being able to communicate my ideas and read other people's discussions and such, and maybe learn a few things, too. Hopefully I'll even bump into a few people who have the same interests that I do!
@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
I have to agree, coming here you know this site is about discussing and posting. When you are discussing, there is a need of explaining why you feel a certain way and trying to convince the other party why you have this insight so that they can try and understand your point of view. I think mylot is a great place for getting to know new people with the same interests or with other interests but the same love of sharing their experiences here on mylot, which can grow a friendship aswell. Have fun!
• Lubbock, Texas
3 Jan 09
I do accept my pay from mylot with thanks every month, but I don't agonize over the length of depth of my comments. If I have a lot to say, I say a lot. If I have a little to say I say a little. If I have nothing to say I don't bother to comment!
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
That's wonderfull to hear, I agree that responding to something you have nothing to say about makes little sence. Thank you both for your input, and happy mylotting!
@msmell (1378)
• Australia
4 Jan 09
Yes I am the same, I only comment if i have something to say and if I don't I just move on to the next discussion. I don't see the point in typing in something that means nothing at all just so you can get $0.01 for it? And no I don't bother counting my lines either so some are shorter then others but I don't care if I say what I have to too in less then so be it!
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• Australia
5 Jan 09
I haven't paid enough attention! I didn't realise there were paid-per-line calculations going on. Do "best responses" earn extra credit, too? Quality has to count for something, but how is that judged? I'd love to see some extra credit (or maybe a penality of some sort) for garbled and unitelligilbe discussions and responses: sure, I realise that myLot is conducted in a language that is not every contributer's native tongue, but even so...
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
6 Jan 09
As far as I know best responses do earn extra credit, but I haven't a clue how it's calculated. I agree extra credit could be a good motivation for people to think their discussions through better and perhaps start making more describtive responses. English isn't my native tongue either, but through the years of mylotting and the English penpals I have had my English has improved a great deal. If you are willing to make the effort it can really improve your English writing skills. In the worst case scenary I look up certain words in the dictionary and try to remember them for the future. Thanks for adding to the discussion!
• Australia
6 Jan 09
Well, I think your English is excellent. Grammatically and structurally! Your syntax, vocabulary and style are both natural and clear ~ although I think you meant "scenario", which isn't technically an English word, anyway!
@har360 (95)
• Indonesia
3 Jan 09
I know it sound weird to me too. Why we should count our comments ? if we refer to myLot guidelines, you will get answer for it, our comments do not just few words on it. Although, few words is enough to respond our discussion, but we want have earning right ? so we added some unmeaning words on it. Maybe the reason is for more descriptive as well. Instead thinking of this, just be a good responder, okay.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
If I don't have enough to add to a discussion, I would skip it. Adding unmeaning words would not help with the quality of the response, it would merely add words to make sure there would be a payout. It wouldn't be my choice of answering because I believe making a good response is all about the meaning and sence of it, so adding unmeaning words is something I wouldn't do or recommend to others.
@sirrob (4108)
• Philippines
3 Jan 09
What's the sense of adding more lines or words if that won't make any sense at all or it's off the topic already? That's not making any sense to me when you are talking of quality and descriptive posts. Adding more lines should be within the topic on hand and not just because you want to add more to the lines.
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@ulalume (713)
• United States
4 Jan 09
You make a good point. I just began using this website, and am just beginning to notice how difficult it is to reach the payout. I think that if people enjoyed writing on here and posting content, the payout would come on its own time (and likely quicker too). The focus should not be on how many words or sentences the individual is writing down, but on the effect those words will have on the discussions.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
You have good point there; time flies when you're having fun. So if you are having fun mylotting, time will pass quickly around here too and you will have made a lot of wonderfull responses and you look back on them thinking: wow, did I do all of them? If you are counting to reach payout it will seem to take you a lot longer, and also, when you are motivated you get a lot more work done. Thank you for a great insight, and I hope you will keep enjoying mylot and reach your first payout soon!
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Jan 09
I just respond cyberfluf and however many words it ends up as, so be it! I have a habit of crapping on anyways and always seem to have something to say. By default this generally means I will very rarely have less than 4 - 5 lines in any response. I have no issues at all reaching minimum payout and usually reach it in the first week of a new month. I just have fun and say what I wanna say. The rest just falls into place!
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
I can totally relate to that, James. Most of the times I have to look if my response isn't getting a bit too long! lol... I have no problem making long responses that relate to the topic, unless the topic is about something I know little about or don't like. But in that case, it's inlikely I will be responding in the first place. You reach payout in the first week? Wow, good for you . I know you are a very active mylotter, but I can't help but wonder if you have any active referrals aswell?
@mskzalameda (4023)
• Philippines
4 Jan 09
Those who count the lines they make here in mylot only make me think that they are only up to the earnings they will have. I think the answer depends on the discussion. 1. if the discussion is very much appealing to you, then you answer in a lengthy manner. 2. if the discussion only has one question which is not that sensible, then you answer in a number of sentences only. 3. if you can relate very well to the discussion, sometimes you get carried away by your emotions and knowledge and that even those unnecessary ideas are to be seen in your post. 4. if the discussion poses a yes or no answer from the users, but yes or no is not accepted here so broadening of answer is a must. An explanation, that is. Since we have a rule here in mylot to have a minimum of 4 lines per discussion, we need to maintain a sensible answer. If ever you want to answer in not more than 4 lines, make sure its worth thinking and it helps the topic starter and other people who might read your thoughts. People who answer in long terms without the sense of doing it only wastes his time answering because money is more important to him rather than giving his input. And besides, he only makes himself look like he is a low intelligent creature.
@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
Thank you for bringing up the 'yes or no' discussions, I completely forgot about those! They are pushing us into the direction to make a very short response, even if you are trying to be describtive. An explanation is indeed one of the valid ways to do so. I can find this hard myself, so I don't regularly repond to such discussions. Also, getting carried away is something I have noticed aswell. This adds little to the discussion either as people tend to repeat themselves over and over.
@ellie333 (21016)
3 Jan 09
Hi Cyberfluf, As you know I find it hard not to waffle on about something so in general my responses are fairly lengthy but some can be just a few words. I am not too fussed on word or line count really. It is the interaction between the poster and the responder that matters far more. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
I agree the interaction is very important, but I guess if the interaction is good than the oneliners are oneliners that are worth the trouble? I am trying to refer to the people who are not adding to the discussion with their short responses and are just trying to make fast money. However, I can only praise you for your openminded view, Ellie .
@di1159 (1580)
• United States
3 Jan 09
I didn't even know that there was a "minimum" line count for payment! Thanks for the enlightenment. I'm not a counter. I'll ususally say what I want to say and not dress it up with "filler" words which are just out of context and don't add anything to the subject. I have been guilty though of many one-liners which I suppose now that I know, give me such little increases on a day to day basis. Sometimes the answers get too long though and people won't bother reading them. You are right though, responses should be about the discussion. The entire idea of making money here is crazy. Unless everyone here is your referral, you'll never be able to retire just by mylotting. Enjoy!
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
Lol, that's true! I wouldn't mind having some very active mylotters as my referrals, allthough unfortunatly at the time being I haven't any active referrals at all. I like the term you used about the filler words, they do not add anything and you better just leave it at that. Thank you for a very describtive response and happy mylotting.
@dookie03 (578)
• United States
4 Jan 09
Ya know i do see that alot now that i think about it. I see alot of that when i go to respond to a discussion and am curious on what others have written or what they thought about it. I just simply wish mylot would pay people more for good responses instead of paying us all the same chump change here and there.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
That sounds fair, Dookie03. That way people who want to do short responses over and over will have the right and freedom to do so, but will not get as high a payout as people who have more describtive response. Note: more descriptive does not have to mean longer, but meaningfull. Oneliners can be meaningfull, I just don't think every discussion can be answered by a meaningfull oneliner (especially the topics that have a more emotional load to it). Thank you for responding!
@jesssp (2712)
• Canada
4 Jan 09
When I respond I do try to be as descriptive and detailed as possible but I don't prattle on (intentionally) to make it longer. And sometimes a discussion really only warrants a few word response no matter which way you look at it. I know the responses you're talking about and they bug me too, sometimes people even make their lines shorter to get more of them (don't know if that works or not) or add big spaces and extra punctuation. Well, that's more than 4 lines, gotta go! (Also, I think moderators would really help in this respect)
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
Lol, that last sentence was a nice addition, I have to agree! . I never actually saw responses with the large interpunction and spaces before, I guess it would be quite a fuss trying to read them properbly. Moderators sound like a great idea, I think there would be many people here who are up for the job. There could be moderators for specific types of discussions like many other boards have. It would be a fulltime job though with the number of responses posted here daily! Thanks for responding.
@aakay4u (799)
• India
3 Jan 09
yes you are absolutely right and i agree with you.why do the responses need to be more than four-liners when quite a few can be answered in a better way in a sentence or two.hope the mylot management understands this soon but there are various forums on internet which have word counters etc so that the posted article is of the minimum required words.there must be some reason to all this.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
The reason is, most likely, that if people can respond with just one word or a few words, that there will allways be people that try to cheat the system. If they will get paid with writing just a few words, they won't take the effort to write more. If they pay is the same and you are just in it for the money, why bother? However, some discussion can be responded to with a well written two or threeliner and sometimes you can nail it on the spot with just a oneliner. However, I think these occassions are more rare than the occassions in which a more describtive response will do.
@sixclix (677)
• Philippines
3 Jan 09
Right. Happy mylotting. There's my one liner right there. Well I do count my sentences sometimes. Just to make my response longer. It might help me get paid much higher. So I make my replies in as many sentences as possible. Just to make them longer. See what I mean? Did I mention I want to make my response much longer? Anyway, I don't really mind people doing one liners or just-a-few-liners. They have their reasons why they're here and I understand that. I also try to make my responses several lines so in a way I'm like them. I do, however, try to make my responses as relevant and significant to the discussion as possible regardless of how many lines they are. Happy new year.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
It's good to hear that you are so openminded on this, I could learn something from you. I like the example you make with your response, it shows exactly what I am talking about in the initial response of the discussion. Take care and thanks for responding!
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
3 Jan 09
I don't know in which category do you put me into. Sometimes I am in haste to answer a lot of responses at one go and I do tend to write short answers. On other times I do write longer responses if the theme requires one, or it is a subject that I am knowledgeable about. Sometimes I realise about the spelling mistakes when I hit the submit button. That would be too late to correct any mistakes. I am not the type to count each and every single word. (c) ronaldinu 2009 - the more people I meet-the more I love my dog
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@sirrob (4108)
• Philippines
3 Jan 09
Well, you have a lot of sensible points in your discussions and I agree mostly all of them. Although I am counting the number of lines for every posts that I make but I also make sure that the quality of my response won't be affected with it and that everything I wrote is related on the topic on hand. There are times that I won't be able to reach the number of lines I am setting but I don't jeopardize the quality of my response if there's nothing else that I could say or to add up. I basically just keep on writing and only responding on discussions that I have something to contribute or something to say about so that it won't be hard for me to just keep on writing. I always write a customized response in every discussions.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
I agree with you Sirrob, that's why I wrote in the initial thread that I dislike the people who count their responses to make sure they can jump to the next one with as little effort as possible. Perhaps I used some weird grammar, but that was what I was going for. I don't judge people for counting their lines to make sure they get paid, especially if it's a topic that is hard to respond to; I am referring to the people who are counting lines just to make sure they write exactly what is needed and nothing more to save time and get bigger pay. It's good to hear that you take pride in writing customized responses for every discussion, and that you will only write a response that relates to the topic. Keep up the good work!
@sonusd (1547)
• India
3 Jan 09
i also want to know how mylot is measuring our responses to get paid so that we can write in a well manner with a good grammer and also descriptive if it is paying just for response then no body will like to reply more than one line because every body wants to earn more and more money
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
Actually there is no way at the time being to know how mylot calculates our earnings. They go through the responses and as far as I know responses that do not add anything to the discussion will not get paid. This is why earnings can drop back sometimes, and sometimes even in large number, because someone has checked your discussions and found out that the person hasn't made quite the effort for their responses. I am sorry I can't help you out with more info on this one.
@smartie0317 (1610)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Well, I think you shouldn't count lines or sentences when you respond. I give as much or as little details as the answer truly needs. I mean, who wants to set there reading four lines when one is needed and the other three are just filler? I don't. I'm here to try to help people, get opinions and help, and make friends if I connect with certain users. While I can't blame myloters for wanting to make money, I think MyLot should enforce methods to make sure people are giving quality responses.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
4 Jan 09
I think you have made a valid point there; there is nothing wrong with trying to make some money with mylot. Even though I am mostly in here for the fun, the money doesn't hurt. So no, I have no right to blame others for wanting to earn money. I think it would indeed be a good idea to enforce methods to keep up the quality of the responses, for example increasing of earnings for people who give out quality responses for a longer period of time. Thank you for your input!