A ethical question about ethics?

@taface412 (3175)
United States
January 16, 2009 5:17pm CST
Do you find it difficult to understand the lack of ethics of some people who surround you? And why is it you feel like you are the last human on Earth who feels like a loser for being honest? That's how I feel sometimes. I get so dumbfounded by how honest people are about lying, acting out of deciet, and not realizing that they are acting as hypocrites because in their mind it helps them out in some way. But is it really worth the consequences? And I am not only speaking in terms of people breaking laws, but in terms of others who actually do have a code of ethics realizing these people have no ethics, which makes it really hard to respect any word that comes out of their mouths. And some of these people are intelligent! Maybe I am stuck in a mental land of honor, respect, loyalty and honesty. And maybe these are the people who make decisions for us, or are close to us in our lives. Well, if I am a dreamer may I never wake up and act this way. So I look forward to everyone's responses concerning ethics. Both those who live by them always and those who choose when to live by them...and I promise I will not preach. LOL
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• Australia
17 Jan 09
The interesting thing about ethics is its historical beginnings, and not just from an academic point of view. The two great ethicists were Socrates and Aristotle, and both believed that ethics was more important than morals, because morals is merely about doing the right thing: ethics is about both doing the right thing and living the good life. And they didn't mean by that having a lot of fun, which is Hedonism, a completely separate field. Both also believed that the way to becoming ethical is through self-knowledge and self-realisation, both of which require, as part of the 'good' life, that we learn as much as we can about all things that affect the human life, because without knowledge we cannot become properly self-aware. Many modern philosphers/psychologists, like C. G. Jung, Abraham Maslow, and Lawrence Kohlberg have followed their lead with theories of how to reach self-actualisation. This is where I move out of abstract theory into your practical question. We live in an era of denial, and one of the things we most deny is our own better side. We live in a society that worships greed and hedonistic pleasure, both of which are unethical if one seeks to live a 'good' life. But because we dare not subject these motivations to close scrutiny because of the bad things it will say about our behaviour, we deny that there is anything wrong with them. And so, honesty, compassion, respect, all those things that make up the ethical character, are deliberately undervalued. Lash
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
17 Jan 09
Well said. We live in a world where everything good has been undervalued by many and while that is tragic it is a good reason to hold true to what we believe in and to value what is worthwhile. There are still people who believe in ethics and who act ethically. We are not all lost although so many of society are. I am sure that it will come back one day.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
20 Jan 09
Lash thank you for your well said and very indepth answer and I am there with you on it...I have to also add I think today's problem is (in terms of the self-actualisation and realisation) that today's society also is simply lazy. Lazy in terms of realizing that production of something real and worhtwhile is through hard work and honesty (to others and themselves). And I don't know about you but I know people who expect to get paid just for showing up...and to me it's said when they apply that to real life outside of the 9-5 job. ANd sharra I too think one day people by the majority will wake up, it's just how they will wake up that can be troublesome. Thanks for the responses.
@sunita64 (6468)
• India
17 Jan 09
Ethics as far as I believe are the set of code of conducts which we think are right to follow. But every person has different set of code of conducts which he or she feels is right. So in his or her own rights everyone of us has ethics but the standard varies from person to person.
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
17 Jan 09
According to Merriam Webster one fo the definitions are the principles of conducts. So yes I see your point, but the I am speaking in terms of people who you and they knowingly goes against these ethics, so therefore they have a lack of ethics. because according to the definition of the dictionary these are a set of moral principles which lead to a society's norms. I can understand someone from another country having a different set of ethics, but the social norms in one country are usually the same. And I know these are also how laws have been created and a soceity is maintained, etc. So I am basically stating not as a whole for the ethical question, but someone who you know has either no ethics, or goes against ethics....can you honestly respect their actions and thoughts? Like for example, someone tells you they broke the law. And it's not the fact that they broke the law where you get upset, but it's the fact they felt so comfortable in telling you they broke the law without realizing or caring how it puts them in a position of never being trusted or respected again?
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@Margajoe (4747)
• Germany
17 Jan 09
I have always tried to live with certain ethics as well. When I try to live without, I don't feel well about it. But, I must say, being to honest in life is not good either. Sometimes it is just better to say nothing. So that others can keep there self respect as well. I have learned that everyone see's truth different. What is truth for you can be a lie for someone else. This is a big lesson in life. There comes respect. Respect comes before truth. Something I am only recently learning to get along with. Like you I have felt hurt because others have not been honest to me. You feel hurt, because you now you would not be dishonest. But, on the other hand , maybe this person really believes himself. Look at yourself and now you are doing the right thing. Then you have no need to judge others. Because with self respect, you don't worry about what others do or do not. Take care.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
17 Jan 09
I see what you're saying, but as I have mentioned the law in my discussion I am also speaking in terms of people who admittedly brag that they break laws or regulations because they can. On this respect I can say I have no respect for those people. It's not really a judgement as in I point them out to be liars, and thieves, but I personally lose respect for them. And no matter what people who act like this can believe how they like but they do know on some level of the dishonesty. But I am 100% with you on what you have said.
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@Margajoe (4747)
• Germany
17 Jan 09
Deliberate liars and thieves? I agree with you, those kind I do not have respect for either. Somehow I just cannot believe that people could be that way. Deliberately lieing and cheating. Seems so unnatural. But, then again, I always seem to want to see the good in people. Take care.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
20 Jan 09
I find myself looking at the world in a rose tint also, but when I do come across these types I am like you I cannot believe it until I see it and then I get upset, so I have to remind myself "I am only responsible for my own actions."
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
17 Jan 09
I am well aware that there are people who do not behave ethically and I have crossed swords with people like that more than once. I have always held to my ethical beliefs even when others don't and I feel it makes me better than them. I will not stoop to be like others just because they are greedy and selfish. I do not see being ethical as a weakness and I am sure that one day it will prevail again but if the last bastion of ethics gives up then how can it prevail? Stay true to your beliefs and know that it makes you a better person than them no matter what happens.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
20 Jan 09
And also I don't have to sleep with one eye open. I know others see me as the lecturing type when it comes to this topic offline so I just now say my peace and move on... I like you do not see it as a weakness, it's just when you wake up to how badly infected we are as a society this way you question things...kinda like if you don't see it you can't really become mad or frustrated... Thanks.
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
17 Jan 09
We all learn as children the difference between right and wrong. But then we grow up. Life is a series of phases. Things we thought were important at one stage of life, will lose their luster at another. So our 'ethics' may change as we mature. For those that pay attention, as long as they maintain and strengthen their personal integrity throughout those phases of life, though their 'ethics' may change in small ways, their sense of right and wrong and all that implies will remain valid and the true source of their strength as an individual. Sadly, there are just too many people who just don't pay attention.........
• Regina, Saskatchewan
20 Jan 09
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
20 Jan 09
I do feel for those who do not pay attention and do not realize that every action has a reaction/consequence....even in the long run. thanks sparks.
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@dropofrain (1167)
• India
17 Jan 09
Do you find it difficult to understand the lack of - Do you find it difficult to understand the lack of ethics of some people who surround you?
Ethics is a major branch of philosophy, encompassing right conduct and good life. It is significantly broader than the common conception of analyzing right and wrong. A central aspect of ethics is "the good life", the life worth living or life that is simply satisfying, which is held by many philosophers to be more important than moral conduct.
• Australia
18 Jan 09
Don't you just love cut and paste? Lash
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• India
17 Jan 09
I have tried to be honest. And I am serious about it. Whether people are honest or not, I have tried to be true to myself and the God whom I believe is my witness. Sometimes it is extremely tough, but I know it will be more difficult for me if I cheat myself.
• United States
17 Jan 09
Those who do not live by a moral code will never respect those who do. I would keep living the way I am no matter what other people do. You have to be the change you want to see in the world.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
20 Jan 09
Very well said. Thanks.
@celticeagle (189793)
• Boise, Idaho
17 Jan 09
I believe that in this day and age it is important to associate with people whose ehtics you agree with and let the others keep to themselves. Do you believe in what you hold to be the foundations of truth and intellect? If so stand true to those things no matter what others say or do. Every one has a right to their thoughts, feelings, etc. But, when they infringe on others it becomes a problem. I would just associate with those who I agree with and understand and respect where they are coming from.