Questioning someones patriotism

United States
March 3, 2009 5:09pm CST
I was listening to people defend the statements made by Rush Limbaugh over the last few weeks, and I am reminded of the run up to the war in Iraq. When anyone would question the presidents decisions during a time of war, they were called unpatroitic. One of the men who was leading this attack was Rush Limbaugh. Today, Rush Limbaugh is questioning the actions of president Barack Obama. So why hasn't his patroitism been questioned yet?
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic, we should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration" Shrieked Hillary Clinton. This rant became a battle cry among Democrats who claimed that it is patriotic to debate and disagree with any administration. So, my friend Greatdebator, I'll put the question back to you. Is it patriotic to debate and disagree with any administration? For my own answer to your question though, I think both parties use "patriotism" as a weapon against the other. I do question the patriotism of people at times myself, and there may be times I used it as a weapon, but for the most part, I reserve that accusation for Americans who truly don't feel any sort of love for the US.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
Oh, and btw, Rush Limbaugh's patriotism has been attacked several times.
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• United States
4 Mar 09
Para, where were you in 2002 when the administration, and the entire far right wing hate media attacked anyone that questioned the administrations run up to war? I can't tell you how many times my patriotism was questioned. Now someone who was leading the "unpatriotic" attacks is now acting unpatriotic himself. I don't like questioning anyone patroitism, but when mine is questioned by someone who later does the same thing I have done, then I will make the same claim. I enjoy the fact that right wingers are now experiencing what they put the country through in 2002 and 2003. Hopefully, republicans will learn from their mistakes, and history. But, I won't hold my breathe.
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• United States
4 Mar 09
BTW, I am questioning it again.
• United States
4 Mar 09
Just one more example of "do as I say, not as I do." When one person calls another unpatriotic, for me, it's a red flag to pay more attention to the authenticity of the acuser. "J'Accuse"--it's just a bad idea altogether.
• United States
6 Mar 09
I can tell you right now, I have been called unpatriotic many times for questioning the war in Iraq. I guess when all was said and done, you are correct that the people that made those accusations were hiding something.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
[b] For CRIPE 'EFFING SAKE WILL ALL OF YOU GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR PARTY'S ASSSES FOR FIVE FRIKKIN MINUTES??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [/b] It's getting [b] sickening [b] The republican party SUCKS The Democratic party SUCKS They have BOTH used patriotism as a weapon They have BOTH used fear and exageration to push policy They have BOTH spent OBSCENE amounts of wasted money They have BOTH ignored, desacrated, marginalized and blasphemed the constitution They have BOTH trampled on our states They have BOTH lied to us all They have BOTH driven us to economic ruin [b] And they have BOTH brainwashed us ALL in a devide and conquer campaign to keep our focus off of the larger picture and the deeper problem.
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@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Definitely can't tell that your agitated. Definitely not. You've made a good point, but lets face it, we're stuck in an endless cycle of partisan loyalty. Even those that claim to want to "reach across the aisle" still take cheap shots at the other party.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
those claiming to want to reach across the isle are still looking in the wrong direction. We need to toss the isle OUT. lol, yeh, I guess I was a little perterbed. It's like wispering in a howling wind sometimes trying to get people off that /democratic/republican mantra. People will usualy agrea with the idea it's the whole lot of them, but in the same breath still toss in a "but the (insert party name here) blah blah blah. I know people cannot possibly be that stupid so I can't fathom for the life of me why people still cling to that logic.
• United States
4 Mar 09
xfahctor, there is a small problem with tossing out the aisle, as you put it. That sounds like something called a revolution--a violent revolution, at that, because nothing else could have such a result. Based on our laws and our Constitution, that's illegal. Not only is it illegal, it's pretty much defined as treason. Anyway, that's where my use of logic leads. But then again, that's just me--plus some very real areas within our laws and our Constitution. I am not, lest you get testy again, calling you a traitor. I am saying that your little tirade is unreasonable--and given your invocation of "logic," it's even funny. I doubt that was your intent. Nonetheless, it's hard to take your real points seriously when you sound like your goal to bring down the government. It's also difficult to take people like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter seriously when they speak in terms of hoping the national government of the United States will fail. Name-calling and irresponsible rhetoric do not define (or at least should not) or demonstrate patriotism. We're all in this particular boat together, and together we are likely either to sink or swim. As Benjamin Frankline once said: We must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately. There is an advantage to working within a system, no matter how imperfect it may be. Reform and evolution from within are essential to our democracy. Then has been so at least since the American Civil War, when it was decided through the loss of many thousands of lives that working across the aisle, no matter how difficult, was more suited to our national well-being than advocating violence and radical separation. We are no longer living on the edge of a great frontier where everyone could more or less go their own way. We are in an era of global interaction in nearly every sphere that affects our everyday lives. We are in a global economy, which makes us interdependent, whether we like it or not. We must find ways to interact effectively with those with whom we disagree even more strongly than we do with, say, Rush Limbaugh or Hillary Clinton. So once again, we need to find ways to reach across the aisle. To refuse to do so is simply irresponsible.
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Well, that's a two way street, hun. Now that Obama's in office, some of the people who found it perfectly acceptable to criticize Bush get huffy and insulted if you dare to criticize Obama. If I hear one more person say "how can you judge him after one month", I'm going to scream. America was founded on questioning the authority. The most American thing one can do is to criticize their leaders.
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• United States
4 Mar 09
Latrivia, I have to agree with those people who question how you can judge someone after one month. I am reminded of republicans for the last year saying that history will judge Bush's presidency. Those same people who want us to wait decades to judge one president, won't even wait a month to criticize another president. Can you say hypocracy?
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
4 Mar 09
"Latrivia, I have to agree with those people who question how you can judge someone after one month. " Well I'm not. In one month Obama's managed to make plenty of questionable decisions. "I am reminded of republicans for the last year saying that history will judge Bush's presidency. Those same people who want us to wait decades to judge one president, won't even wait a month to criticize another president. Can you say hypocracy?" When has any Bush supporter requested to wait decades to judge Bush?
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
4 Mar 09
How would anyone DARE question Limbaugh on ANYTHING? Of course, if a Democrat or a liberal did it, it would be because he or she is stupid and doesn't know any better and if a conservative Republican did it they'd be forced to apologize and beg for forgiveness moments later. Annie
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@laglen (19779)
• United States
4 Mar 09
I think we should always question our president and government in whole. Whether it is Bush, Obama or Lincoln. My only problem is airing our dirty laundry to the rest of the world. I say question but support. I do not like what Obama is doing. But if asked internationally, I will support him.
• United States
6 Mar 09
I have no problem with questioning our leaders, I have been doing that for a long time, and called unpatriotic by many republicans. I didn't like Bush at all, but I was smart enough to realize that Bush walked into to office during a recession. I also realized that nothing he could do would change that in one month.
@cupkitties (7489)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Double standards. We have every right to know whats going on. People who use the "unpatriotic" statement are just trying to hide something.