When its time to go........

@p1kef1sh (45696)
March 8, 2009 5:22am CST
I am well aware that Christianity generally turns its nose up at suicide and euthanasia. But are other religions the same way? Some Moslems happily blow themselves and others up believing that they will go straight to heaven. I have no idea what Pagans feel about killing yourself. Personally I have no problems with euthanasia for the very ill - and if God is all forgiving then presumably he will accept that what is done is done and not condemn. If you are a non-Christian I would very much like to hear what you believe. If you are a Christian I would be grateful for your thoughts on what you think happens to the souls of those that die by their own hand/euthanasia - no passages from the Bible please. I want your thoughts!
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@scorpio19 (1363)
8 Mar 09
Goodmorning p1kef1sh, I agree with you, I feel that if God is all that we are led to believe then it doesn't matter how a life is ended the soul still passes over and worked on like any soul is worked on. Having lost a close relative over a year ago, I read many, many spiritual books, I was a regular at my local library because I needed to know where she was, if indeed she was anywhere at all. I read a very interesting book once it was the memoirs of a nun, she'd passed over but was somehow from the afterlife telling her friend here what had happened since her passing the process she had gone through etc and what I found interesting is I read many other peoples books who claimed to have passed over and come back "Doris stokes" is another and in all these books their experiences which so similar, they woke in a hospital with no walls, they went to the hall of records, they were taken to hell but not hell that we have come to think of but just a cold place for souls to accept they had passed, so from what I have read I tend now to believe we all are treated in the same way, were helped to come to terms with unresolved issues so how the life is ended I would hope was irrelevant.
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@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
I have read similar descriptions Scorpio and my personal belief is that concept of moving up a plane is what is most likely to happen. My Grandmother, who was a very devout Anglican absolutely believed in the "hospital" idea.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
8 Mar 09
I am Pagan. Like Christian faiths- there are many faiths that fall under the Pagan title and with that many schools of thought. I'll give you what I was taught and what I believe and you can take what you like and leave the rest. I was raised Small Town Country Baptist (very different from Big City Baptist) and they were VERY against euthanasia. Yet they are very open to rethinking their stand based on what life brings. In our church is was a lovely older woman who was facing round three of cancer. She refused to fight it as she had in the past because it ruined the quality of her life which they said was to be final anyway. Our pastor was there when she took her final breath. She hadn't gotten to the bed ridden stage yet, nor had she lost her faith. She HAD gotten to the point where the pain was almost as bad as she could stand, her mind wasn't as able to remember as she would have liked, and she wasn't going to be able to stay at home. She called the pastor to come over and when he got there he found a note on the door telling him what she had done and to please come in before calling anyone. He did and she was still with him while he called the police. She offered him tea though she wasn't able to sit up. She was gone before they got there to help her. He was all good with her choice because God is all forgiving and won't hold it against her. I see conflict with some of the religions and how God can hate those who abort life (their own or another's) but yet is said to be all forgiving if you do penance. (The Catholic and the like) so I questioned the pastor. He said that God wants us to live the life he gave us but that he gave us free thinking, free will to do what we will with our lives. As long as we claim him as our Father, our savior, we will be welcomed into Heaven. My next question was, well what about the truly bad guys. He said he didn't think they wanted into Heaven and wouldn't have lived that life if they did so they will go else where. As a Pagan I was taught that we have a set path to live with choices worked in. We will walk that path and will have to take responsibility for all our actions. That means if we cut short our path then we will still have to deal with the lessons we were meant to learn but didn't thus making the next life that much harder. I think it is a balance between the two. I don't think the God I hope there is, feels as darkly as some of the Christian Faiths think. I also don't think it's as free as those of my own path feel.
@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
That pastor was unusually enlightened I think. But he did what I hope any humane human might do. I am not suggesting that cutting short our lives is a good thing, but I don't see why we should be eternally condemned for doing so. Thank you very much for sharing that. I loved the line about offering him tea! She sounds a grand old lady.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
8 Mar 09
She was... She was my great grandmother.
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@mummymo (23707)
8 Mar 09
Oh Chimes your Great Grandmother truly does sound like an amazing lady - and dignified til the end. Whilst I am a Christian I also think that a lot of Christians forget that the name literally means followers of Christ - that we should follow the example he set which means loving and caring for all, having tolerance and respect for others whether they believe the same as he did or not! At the end of the day even on the cross he asked god to 'forgive them as they knew not what they did' of those who tortured and killed him. In my mind there is a bit of the truth in most faiths- it is more the organised side of religion that drives wedges between people of different beliefs rather than encouraging them to come together! xxxx
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• United States
8 Mar 09
i am pagan and i have no problem with either but i have never really heard of anyone saying that X is what pagans believe as far as that goes.. i guess i never thought about it or cared since i feel strongly about it..
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@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
A couple of pagans have answered and I have found their views interesting.
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@myskysky (38)
• China
8 Mar 09
I'm a Pagan.I believe in myself and i believe in the nature.It is the aspiration that get our world moving.We want to eat so we cultivate.We want to sleep so we build houses.Our desire drives us to our dream and then we spare no efforts to achive it.I trust in my own belief.Fortunetaly,there's no contradiction between our difference in belief.Those Christians who end their lives by their own hand maybe tired in their way to make expiation for their guilt.
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@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
If I understand correctly then you are saying that it is K to end your own life with no guilt. Thank you and welcome to myLot.
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@riyasam (16567)
• India
8 Mar 09
and i thought you were a christian!!i dont know what to say on this question,i see many people suffering and are being kept alive of life-support(it really wrings my heart as i can do nothing about it)it is a sort of humbling experience for me ,it re-inforces upon me that HE ALONE IS THE GIVER OF LIFE AND HE ALONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT.
@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
You will have taken the Hippocratic Oath Riyasam and cannot intervene even if you wished to. However, I do feel that if there is absolutely no possibility of the resumption of any quality of life, that we should be able to make our peace with our maker and go, assisted if necessary.
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@Vladilyich1 (1454)
• Canada
10 Mar 09
That's quite an interesting question. Most major religions believe in some sort of life after this one, relegating human form to a "transitional" stage to some sort of perfection. To my knowledge, Christianity is the only religion that condemns hastening the process out of this form.
@p1kef1sh (45696)
11 Mar 09
Hindus appear to feel the same way. I do find it intriguing that Christians extol the virtues of the next world, but then get very down in the mouth if you try to get there on an earlier bus!
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@bestboy19 (5480)
• United States
9 Mar 09
As bad as murder is, even if you murder yourself, it's not the unpardonable sin.
@p1kef1sh (45696)
9 Mar 09
Interesting take on it. Thank you.
@Jenaisle (4133)
• Philippines
8 Mar 09
Well, these are my own thoughts, the first thing that I learned from being a Christian is not to be judgmental, that I'm not in any position to categorize whether an action is right or wrong because only God can do that. Even those who are convicted criminals would meet their true sanction only from God. I favor it depending upon the purpose or motivation of the act. For me, the motivation would help determine the "wrongness" and "rightness" of the act. Even if I had done an apparently "good act",i.e- donating money for charity- but my real motivation was to appear generous to the people by purposely publicizing what I did, then I don't consider it a good act. I don't speak for all the Christians, I always did what I feel in my conscience is the right thing to do. Cheers and happy mylotting.
@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
That sounds the right approach to me Jen. God decides and judges, we shouldn't - but don't we like to! LOL.
@fino1982 (55)
• China
8 Mar 09
I am a non-Christian, and I can say I haven't certain religioe belief. But I like to read some books about all kinds of religion. And I find a lot of wisdom in them. They teach us how to live in the complex world.If we believe in God, maybe when we want to do something bad, we will think of some punishment given by God. Maybe we will stop our foolish action.
@p1kef1sh (45696)
8 Mar 09
But why should God "punish" us?