If You were an AIG Exec would you RETURN the bonus money?

United States
March 18, 2009 2:12pm CST
So everyone is blasting AIG on these bonuses. I was wondering if you were on the other side. You have a legally signed contract that gives you a bonus despite company performance. Would you give that money back if the company asked or it is legally and legitimately yours? Your opinions please.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Mar 09
I heard somewhere that these bonuses were part of the contracts in lieu of salary so, yes, I would imagine that I would feel that I earned the bonus and would be opposed to returning it. The issue of the bonuses should have been addressed *before* AIG received any money from the government. Then those employees wouldn't have been placed in this situation to begin with.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Mar 09
Are you aware that they DID address such things before giving bailout money to the auto industry? GM and Chrysler forgot to pay off Chris Dodd. If they'd contributed more generously to his campaign they'd be getting the same bonuses right now.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Mar 09
This is just in case you weren't aware of the way Dodd made sure AIG got their bonuses. http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090318/pl_politico/30833 The guy's a crook, bought and paid for. Frankly I think he should be forced to resign for this crap. That won't happen though because I'd bet roughly 75% of our congress is in someone's pocket doing the same thing.
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• United States
19 Mar 09
We should see if Mr. Dodd could get some kind of bailout for members of Mylot. I'd be willing to pay him off with half of whatever he could get us.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 Mar 09
In all honesty, no. I would take that money, retire, golden parachute and all, and my wife and I could move somewhere cozy, close to family, start up our own businesses, and forget that I ever worked for such a crappy place. Seriously though, I can't really fathom being in their shoes because at my current pay it would take me roughly 20 years to earn $1 million dollars. The concept of getting a "bonus" of that much for doing a crappy job is comparable to winning the lottery so I would treat it as such.
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• United States
19 Mar 09
For them to be getting a million dollar bonus, they probably already make quite a bit of money. They likely could've already retired long ago had they chosen to. Are these their first million dollar bonuses? How many times have they received enough money to make most of us feel like we'd just won the lottery?
• United States
19 Mar 09
Haha couldn't agree with you more on this one!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Mar 09
I would challenge Pelosi, Reid, Dodd and Obama to answer one question... If it the bonuses were so outrageous, why did each of them sign the bill into law, knowing the clause allowing for the bonuses was there? It is nothing short of criminal what they are allowed to get away with in this whole lie.
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@duduba (12)
• China
19 Mar 09
It was just a matter of policy, the time required to prove right or wrong. You said it was too early to crime and lies!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Mar 09
As it's turning out, the AIG execs were the only ones who didn't do anything wrong here... yet so far, they are the only ones who have had to pay. How can complying with the law be illegal?
@MissAmie (717)
• United States
19 Mar 09
God as my witness, YES I would give it back. And do it gladly. I find it disgusting that people make more money than they can spend while the people that clean their offices and make their coffee and work behind the scenes barely scrape by. What would an office do without a cleaning person? Oh goodness...they might have to take out their own trash! Gasp! I recently read a newspaper article talking about a man in charge of a hospital. I think it was in England. He was being forced to lay off all kinds of people...floor crew, cleaning people, laundry...and it broke his heart. He gave a speech to the entire staff of the hospital and everyone gave up some to keep these people working. It was such a show of humanity it brought tears to my eyes. One floor of nurses unanimously agreed to give up a raise. Another hourly paid employee agreed to give up one day of work a week to save that much per week. The thing is, people worked together and saved hundreds of jobs. Why do we have any right to be so greedy?
• United States
19 Mar 09
I agree that it is disgusting that people make this much money. I still would not give the money back to AIG. AIG would not likely pay the people who were cleaning my office any more money. Why not give some of the money to the people who clean your office, or the local homeless shelter, or any other cause you deem worthy? I just don't think that giving the money back to AIG would benefit anyone other than the greedy %$@#ers who are already rolling in the money. AIG has already proven that they are undeserving.
• Philippines
19 Mar 09
nice topic
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• United States
21 Mar 09
Thanks
• United States
19 Mar 09
Well majority of the people that are saying they would return it are lying. Like now, your bashing AIG for giving out bonuses..Why? Because this affects you. We look out for ourselves and our familys. So I can promise you most of the people here would keep the money.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Mar 09
But most of the AIG people have returned all the money, even though they were only asked to return half of it. It's strange though, they did nothing wrong in being given the bonuses, but they are the ones having to pay. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd and Frank all made sure the bill was passed with the amendment to protect bonuses, then started this whole scam against AIG.. and they aren't being made to pay at all.
• Philippines
19 Mar 09
I would, in all honesty. I mean, of course, there's so many angles of the story about this, whether it's okay or not to return it based on the contract and based on the law. But regardless of all that, personally, I would. I mean, why would I be worried of my bonus when others are in hard times because of the recession. If I were an executive, I would assume, I still have quite enough money to go on with my life normally. There's so many out there losing their job and a little sacrifice for the betterment would really go a long way.
• United States
19 Mar 09
i think all sides have to be looked at before a conclusion can be reached documents will also have to be brought forward for verification
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
19 Mar 09
Obama, Pelosi, and the rest should take responsibility for what they signed allowing this to happen. Any company, no matter what kind, that received money from a bailout should be barroed from paying any bonuses no matter how big or how small. Bonuses should be NIL, ZILCH, NON-EXISTANT for at least 5 years or until these companies pay back to the US Treasury what they received in bail-out money.
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@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
20 Mar 09
Actually I would NOT return the money. If they were obligated by a contract to give me that money, then that money is mine...they would just be out of luck...I would go somewhere and retire. LOL
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@mscott (1923)
• United States
19 Mar 09
I wouldn't give it back. It was in the contract and congress even approved it. Now that congress, especially Dodd and Geitner are looking like idiots they want the money back despite approving it and the bonuses. I would keep it. Maybe congress should start giving part of their pay back for doing such a poor job.
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• United States
19 Mar 09
Haha my fiance and I got into this discussion earlier! If someone handed me 1 million plus dollars or more and said here you go its your bonus, and then they wanted to ask for it back I would laugh. Even if these people were to keep it and have that money taxed they would still be profiting. What person in today's day & age with the way money & the economy is would hand it back over? Not many... So No, I personally wouldn't hand the money back over if it was given to me just because I know I personally could use it.
• United States
19 Mar 09
i feel your point of view on the matter i have to say that i resty my case in this respect
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• United States
19 Mar 09
Wow...this is a difficult question. I work for a company that gives bonuses when profits allow - but, it is a small manufacturing company and the amount of the bonus we're talking about is significantly smaller than what I have heard is being dished out for AIG executives. That being said...contractually they have a right to it - morally...they have a duty to return it. The error here is not on the employees...it is on the government who failed to place stipulations on the money that was given. In our organization...bonuses are based on merit...here we have a company that is failing, yet bonuses are still to be paid out? I'm not sure why their bonus program does not in itself have restrictions based on not only employee performance but organizational profits as well. So, back to the question at hand...if I was an executive who already was in the upper bracket as far as compensation was concerned...and my organization was failing...I would expect my company to act as I would, responsibly and ethically, and give it back or at least take a lesser amount - contract or not.
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• United States
19 Mar 09
because of the contract, it would be legally mine. but if it were me, i would definitely give it back to the economy. i mean come everyone knows what this country is going through. they can give back at least a litte bit.
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@vu3nnn (85)
• India
19 Mar 09
AIG would maybe wrong to dole out the bonus money, but as an employee I would keep it as part of the fruit of my labor. Of course, whether I would choose to remain as an employee in such a scenario is another issue
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@irishidid (8688)
• United States
18 Mar 09
If I got the bonus money through a legal and binding contract (and they did), no I wouldn't return it.
• Philippines
18 Mar 09
I think we can also factor in Corporate Social Repsonsibility. Being a financial/insurance institution being subsidized by the government, using taxpayers' money, they should be able to crunch internal finances first. Bonuses is within their area of responsibility. The government is subsidizing AIG because it has members that will be affected if they closed. Again, subsidy is for the members through AIG, and never bonuses for executives. Will I return the money is another issue. If I still have it, I will. But if it already went to some reasonable expenditure, then, I will not be able to. Good day!
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
18 Mar 09
lol, NO! Of course not, not voluntarily. I don't think I would have raised a stink, if they wouldn't have given them out, but once the money is in my pocket, why part with it? Who knows if I still have a job tomorrow, I might need that money;) No, I can fully understand, why they would want to keep it. Not that I like it, but I would do the same. These contracts were poorly negotiated and a non-performance based automatic bonus is mine, no matter if I personally messed up things for them. In this economy, it's pretty much everybody for themselves. These people will fight tooth and nail for the money and I can't blame them. It is legally theirs until a court says otherwise. I blame the government for handing over the money without proper oversight, and not stopping the bonus money from switching hands. Yep, I have no heart, I'm selfish, I'd keep the money.
• United States
19 Mar 09
it would be the right thing to do but we bot know in the world of today the line between right and wrong is seriously blurred i would do the right thing though this kina stuff has a way of coming back and biting you in the rear
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@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
19 Mar 09
From what I understand, I may be wrong, these were retention bonuses. Retention money is money given to keep the employee working for the company. These types of bonuses are planned ahead of time. Actually, I received a retention bonus once, when the company I was working for was going through chapter 13, of course I did not receive nearly as much as these people. I think these people got caught up in a bad situation, bonuses promised to them, but in the interim, the company has accepted bail out money. Honestly, if it were me, I would wait awhile, before I made a decision to return the money.
@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
19 Mar 09
Would I have to give it ALL back? Ah, it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't give any of it back. I would share the wealth though. What would they do with the money if they were to get it back? I can think of much worthier causes (at least in my opinion).
@jjstream (313)
• United States
27 Mar 09
Executives that receive hefty bonuses such as these over the course of even a few years, are by definition rich. They most likely don't need them to make a living, but rather to finance a luxurious lifestyle. To give this money back in the face of public outrage should be a very easy decision for them. It's important to remember, that even if they have to give the bonuses back, and maybe have no salary, they are being compensated through commissions. They also may get a golden parachute clause in their contract. These alternate forms of compensation must be seriously considered by Congress and the Treasury, if they're interested in getting the whole picture.