All men are NOT created equal, nor are they treated that way.

The constitution is correct for the most part. In the eyes of God, we are all made equal in some areas. God made us all human, did He not? Now there is where it ends. I may have two brown eyes and 10 fingers. The lady next to me may have hazel eyes and 9 fingers. As for the equality part, I agree. I'm so sick of having affirmative action rammed down my throat. We've got a job opening at the department I work at and I've been helping do interviews. I am NOT going to hire someone just because we need another black person on the force. I am going to hire someone based on their education, experience and job history. If that person happens to be white or even Mexican, then so be it. I refuse to lower the standards of the work place because some racist assrag like Jesse Jackson got all pissy because blacks were being overlooked for good paying jobs. Could it be that they lacked basic skills and education? It has nothing to do with skin color. And I read that same book. Loved it. I could not think of that name the other day when a co-worker and I were talking about that. The Handicapper General made everyone wear masks so they looked the same and the smarter people had to wear earpieces that had sounds like hammers and sirens to interrupt their thoughts to make them less intelligent.

I think this is exactly what the liberals want. The liberals have been pitting the have nots against the haves for some time now. By doing this, it appears they are trying to help the little people, the ones who haven't been so "lucky" as the achievers. The problem is, by doing this, instead of elevating the unachievers, they bring the achievers down. A good example is education. Instead of encouraging the weaker students to try harder, public education has lowered standards so the weaker student won't feel unequal to the stronger student. Who wins in that situation? No one wins and we end up with a laughable education system that even some third world countries but to shame. There is a method to the liberal madness and it's control. A strong person is not so easy to control as a weak person, so they have to make as many weak as they possible can. An uneducated or poorly educated person isn't a thinker, therefore, they are weaker and easier to control.

I've recently begun reading a book which is said to be along these lines.. is said by some to be where we are headed. It's called "Atlas Shrugged". Otherwise some things going on these days remind me of the book "Brave New World". I just heard today the senate wants to get involved in laws for college football.. Here we go.. could be the end of sports!

Women who seek equal rights with men, lack ambition. This is one of my favorite quotes and holds true for every body. In response to what you said, I agree. We are not "entitled" to have everything our neighbor has. The beauty of America, you have the opportunity, but it is up to you to have the drive, intelligence and resourcefulness.

When people say "All men are created equal", they usually mean that all men are equal in their basic humanity and should be treated according the the Golden Mean. The billionaire genious and the garbage collector are both human beings and should be treated with respect and decency. They should treat each other as they would wish to be treated. That does not mean they will make the same wage, employ 500 people apiece, pay the same taxes etc. In their basic humanity they are still equal. Let me ask you something. Do you think that because a person is richer and more educated, they should have more power in the voting booth? Or do you agree that everyone should have the right to one vote? Also, do you only country wealth, intelligence and appearance as superior trademarks. What about godliness and moral decency? Don't they count for anything?

You're referring to the Declaration of Independence, not the Preamble to the Constitution. And where in the world did you get the idea that minorities get extra points added to their SAT score?

(I hate it when mylot eats my responses) Originally more or less, this is what I was trying to say: Augh. You know that equality is not synonymous with identicality, right? Equal means "having the same value as" not "being the same". The principle of equality is that no man has higher value than the other, that in truth, their lives are worth the same. Not in measurements like wealth, productivity, nationality, or...gender, but in the basic that they are people. I get sick and tired of people acting like the word equal means "the same"...it's total BS. SURE, I dislike people pulling crap under the banner of "I'm making my country more equal" as much as anyone, but then I hate both sides saying that equality means THE SAME AS. The key is to make the system to treat people more equally. In some cases this means less involvement, and in others it means more...this is not an either or argument. The symbol of equality should be the same as the symbol of justice's -- the scales. Balance. It's not for the government to decide that some people have more value than others, or that they shouldn't have more value. The Obama administration SHOULD have criminal investigations and total accountability of the government (this administration's and the past one), they should -not- be bailing out the banks as the banks continue to pull shenangins for no care of us. They shouldn't be so ruthless with taxes...and hell, I don't see as much of this "welfare" thing as people keep talking about. ...in short, this entire thing chagrins me. _

That is not in the Preamble. Her is what the Preamble says, word for word. We the People of the United States in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. As you can see, the is nothing about all men being equal. Get your facts straight!

Wow. First off, I have to say, you said that very well. I don't happen to entirely agree with your sentiment, but I do get some of it and I appreciate how you worded things... You covered so much, so well. I can't respond to it ALL right now, but I'll stick to once comment for now... I think I've recently discovered that many of my sentiments would qualify me to be described as a "liberal", so in reply to what you said at the end... "It is effectively a future type story written by Kurt Vonnegut where the United States Handicapper General is responsible for applying handicaps to anyone who is too smart, strong, attractive, etc., to make them equal to the dumbest, weakest, ugliest, etc., people. Is this what liberals want? Is this what Obama and his cronies are trying to do by punishing the rich, bailing out failures, criticizing those who succeed, giving welfare to those that don't?Should the preamble be changed to:"All men are not created equal. It is the purpose of the Government to make them so."?" No, I don't think that is what "liberals want". At least not ALL liberals or even MOST liberals. I've never liked the idea of speaking for groups of people, because even though as a group people might have similar ideas, we are still all individuals and we certainly don't agree with all the details. What "this liberal" would like to see, is a country where, although we aren't necessarily all "created equal" we are all given equal opportunities to advance to the best of our ability. What "this liberal" thinks would be ideal is a country where a person isn't held back simply because of the color of there skin, the number of dollars that their parents have in their bank account or there lack of willingness to step on other people to get to the top. A place where people are recognized and rewarded for their hard work AND their ability. I don't need to make as much money as the guy who happened to inherit enough money from his daddy to invest in a company where he "employs me", but it would be nice if when he walked in the door, he looked me in the eye, said good morning and perhaps appreciated the hard work that I do for him in order to help him increase his bottom line! Far too many wealthy people think of things in terms of "I'm doing them a favor by giving them a job" and FORGET that these "little people" are the once building his product which is helping him to PAY for that Mercedes and blackberry and the Penthouse on the beach that he so vehemently believes he's "earned".

Sounds like you are More Equal than Most! So what does your world look like? You live in a mansion because you are Educated,you played Football and were a Running Back! You are presumably Smarter, Faster, Better Educated, Stronger, and Richer. All your countrymen are Dumber, Weaker, Uglier, and Poorer. You are Frightened of being punished for being Rich, criticized for Succeeding, and ending up on Welfare. To be perfectly Honest, I don't blame you One Iota! It sounds like a Hellofa way to end up!

there really isnt much i can add to this post as a response other than AMEN!! /cheer

When I was growing up I took a test (1978) to get into one of the top ten schools in the United States well I was number 5 on a waiting list, which in Boston was a sure thing for me to get in since everyone seemed to move so much. Do to the laws I was put at number 35 on the waiting list, for minorities with lower scores to have a chance. Well I never got into the school for that reason. Just about 10 years ago the same thing happened to another girl and guess what she sued and she won. She filed a reverse discrimination. All men are created equally we have the right to breath, free speech, and etc. we also have the right to to climb the ladder of success and earn what we get. We do not have the right to get things because of our race religion or gender. Being a woman I have had to fight for my equal rights such as doing the same job as a man for equal pay. I may have alot of liberal ways of thinking but that does not mean that I do not hold the constitution close and understand what is going on. When you talk about the liberals in Washington that is alot different then talking about the liberals on Main St. and like anyone else I think it is unfair for them to put them in one group. The ones in Washington they are saying what they think the American people want to hear so they can hold office for one more year. I believe 99 percent of the politicians are full of Bullcrap are thieves and it doesn't matter what their party is.

As I read it, the statement in the preamble is merely saying we are all born with the same chances in life. We all are subject to the same laws, opportunities, and freedoms. Personal gifts are not included in this statement, because then we'd get nit-picky! Someone who has less motivation than a Microsoft CEO just has to work harder to get to that point, if he/she so chooses to follow that path. You must also realize that not everybody has the same priorities in life. There are many people who don't like the idea of being a CEO, despite the paycheck.

The equality idea has two meanings:We are equal in receiving and doing the same amount of stuff. But we are not equal in our actions that we do. But if you see a dumb-"bad word" who stays and does nothing all day and has more than you, and your IQ is 3 times grater, and you work is 10 times harder and 1000 times less payed, don't you get the idea that, what the hell, God is blind, equality is for some people, and all this is connected to someone's manners and honesty, don't steal, don't harm and most of all, think there are some effects in the long term if you jump over the equality. (some tried to make more money, got it all, and the rest tries to find a bread to bring it to his family - it's my case) My english is not so good, so i can't explain it better.

Hello Taskr, What a terrific post! I have made this point more times than I can count over the years, minus the football analogy of course. Always to little avail. You seem to want to apply the same logic to the situation that I have over the years. Alas, what has become glaringly obvious is that the point of the logic is very well understood by those who wish to distort it. Though, they don't care about logic. They are very well aware that the 'argument' is intellectually dishonest, yet they don't care. They realize that the idealized goal of 'true equality' is a fantasy, yet they don't care. What they do care about is that fighting for the lofty ideal makes them FEEL good and lends them a sense of power. They do care that the net result forces the 'less than' crowd (less, experienced, less motivated, less capable, less willing, etc...) to have to do less, giving them more time to aid in the fight against the 'more than' crowd (more experienced, more motivated, more capable, more willing, etc..). You alluded to Kurt Vonnegut, I'll reference George Orwell. Whether we like it or not, I believe that we are currently living "Animal Farm". 'Course, it's too early to say with absolute certainty who Snowball, Napoleon and Squealer are in today's world. Though, I guess it doesn't really matter who's who. What does matter is that the roles have been filled, and the few are successfully preaching the mantra of 'equality for all'. Too bad the muddled masses haven't quite figured out yet that in Napolean's world some are much more 'equal' than others! Oh, did I say equal? I meant to say 'deserving'. When will we ever learn? Vonnegut, Orwell, Rand ... we've been warned over and over again. History, fiction, speaches ... we've been warned over and over again. Millions, perhaps billions used and abused, so many of them murdered over the years by an order given by one power hungry pig or another ... over and over again. When can we finally stop replaying this nightmare known as Collectivism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism???

I understand what you are saying, in that I have only a highschool education, I'm legally blind (my vision disqualifies me from jobs that involve more vision than I have, and my education disqualifies me for jobs that I have not gained a licence to do), but as a HUMAN BEING I am no different from the microsoft CFO. Equality to me means that no one is granted more BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS than another. As a woman, I'm just as entitled to a safe, fair, equal, and balanced life, as a man. I have the same rights to walk alone at night if I want to go somewhere, without being attacked. I have the right to a last name that wasn't bestowed upon me by a father who thought himself the head of the family, or the husband to whom he gave me (and that's why Dad didn't give me away at my wedding...I'm not property, and why I use a different last name that doesn't belong to my father or my husband). I believe that in the human rights department we are all entitled to equality.

I sort of thing this idea of giving someone preferable treatment because they are of the wrong color, the wrong ethnic group, they believe that same genders who love the same gender are born that way and that God is wrong, is because of envy. They envy the rich, and instead of being content, or if possible, work as hard to get a little higher, they blame it that the reason someone is making a lot of money and is wealthy is because of their ethnic background and because they are bigots who do not want anyone who is not of their class to succeed. People cannot succeed or get anywhere by putting others down or else they all turn into failures. Wait a few years under Obama and United States will have the same medicore population that most socialist run countries have.