11 year old kills self

@TLChimes (4822)
United States
April 24, 2009 7:10am CST
Someone else posted about this but I couldn't find the thread because it was not totally about the article but about what should be done. Today I found the article and thought people might like to know the back story. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/23/bullying.suicide/index.html?eref=rss_topstories No 11 year old should feel that down. No 11 year old should leave life so young let alone by their own hands. Other kids were mean and people knew about it but this kid still felt lost enough to kill himself. Lesson learned or yet another news story that will fade behind Octo Mom's latest mess up? I welcome all thoughts, solutions, what evers....
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
25 Apr 09
In urban/suburban areas these days, does childhood even exist anymore? No wonder an child as young as 11 was driven to this. I'm so glad I raised my boys in the country. My oldest especially wouldn't have been able to handle such pressure at a young age. It's a sad commentary on modern society when apathy on the part of adults, brings our children to such an end.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
In the city - you can't play in your own yard with out risking being taken by a stranger. We just lost an 8 year old who walked across the street to the playground... with in sight of the kitchen window his mom was doing dishes in. She was keeping a look out. One second there next... gone. Too sad. I miss the country.
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Honestly you wouldn't like my harsh thoughts. But since you welcomed them I think that the kids that taunted him need a wake up call along with all schools. I think the school should be charged with manslaughter and so should those kids. They ultimately killed him. And the really sad thing is this is the second 11 yr old boy who has done this. We as a society should and owe it to these families that suffer this to hold the school and the kids responsible accountable for their actions. We have to make a stand and send a message that Bullying is not tolerated. The contempt for human life that these kids had needs not to go unpunished. I am completely appalled that the school would think an apology letter would be acceptable. NO something more has to be done. We can not let this go on we have to find some way of making sure that this doesn't happen again. This is a kid who had his whole life ahead of him and becuase he was different and talked with an accent he was targeted. When did we allow our children and schools to allow this closed minded behavior. Aren't we supposed to be teaching our kids tolerance. Shouldn't it start at home? Shouldn't it continue at school? I think alot of this comes down to teachers and schools just don't care anymore. It's sad.
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• United States
29 Apr 09
Yep it is our job. But unfortunately alot of people don't do it. They take the easy road out. They let the t.v. be the babysitter instead of them and they let the kids trade video games for playing outside and they don't monitor what the kids are doing! It's a crying shame.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
29 Apr 09
I wouldn't ask for thoughts if I wasn't ready to hear them... and from what you said... we share some of that harsh thinking. I have to kids that are in the schools here in Detroit. They are special needs (and in special ed which is the only reason they are even in public school) and they are not the same color as most of the other kids they go to school with. Tolerance is in the teachers so how can it be in the children? I think it should be taught from day one, at home and school. A letter doesn't make it better and doesn't bring this child better. You're right that both the school and the kids should be held accountable for what they did or didn't do. And as I've said... these kid bullies will grow up to be adult bullies because no one told them they were wrong. GRRRR..... you know what I mean?
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
29 Apr 09
AH... another mother dragon... nice to meet you.. LOL I am the first to call my kids on their bad behavior, as parents Should, but all too often don't. I am also the first to stand up with them when they are in the right. Isn't that our job?
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• United States
24 Apr 09
Life can be just plain sad sometimes.. and some things will never have an explanation.. this is one of them. It reminds me of the following song.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wve38pbGa88
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Excellent song. I cry because it hits close to home. It is really easy to get that lonely. Thank you.
• United States
24 Apr 09
yes it is! and it's amazing how that loneliness goes undetected by everyone around you. sadly, I do know how it feels to be THAT lonely and hurt THAT bad.
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@Dorrdavy (275)
• Jamaica
24 Apr 09
ok, now i am really, really sad. that child really needed help, now its too late, hope it wont be for anyone else.
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@celticeagle (158876)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Apr 09
It may have been me that wrote about this in my discussion about Ellen's idea to start a class in the schools on compassion and bullying. It is such a sad thing on so many levels. Parents should NEVER out live their children. Just one. And, yes, children taking their own lives. Is anything else as sad? I don't think so.
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@celticeagle (158876)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Apr 09
It is fine by me although you may not get a high score pay wise for posting one already hit on. But, who knows. Yes, I think the hardest thing a parent could ever do is have to bury their own child. It just isn't right. No matter what the reason.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
LOL I wasn't hoping to score pay... just people knowing what was up in the world and I had to leave so when I looked and couldn't find yours... I started mine. Thanks for spreading the word. It's important and maybe between the two of us we helped someone. We can hope.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I thought it was you but I didn't want to be wrong. I hope posting the link inspired by you was ok. I can't imagine what the mom is going through.... the what if's have to be many. I may lose Rowan but it wouldn't be by his own hand... I think that would make it so much harder. No, nothing can be as sad as so much life lost.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
25 Apr 09
In my opinion bullying is the national pastime of kids at school. My children were bullied as well. It seems that children use this method to make themselves feel better. A lot of times the bully in school is a child with little self esteem. The child is often looked down upon in the home and takes it out on the other kids at school. The article said Education Network study showed that 65 percent of teens are bullied each year and most believe adults can't help them. I'm not sure what the adults can do to help because when you complain and the offending child is disciplined for bullying it seems to only make matters worse. I have no suggestions on how to stop the bullying but as parents we must take steps to protect our children. At times I would monitor my child's classes. At other times I would appear randomly at the school when I wasn't expected. I rearranged my schedule so I could deliver and pick up my child from school. And I stayed in the principles face so much that he had to protect my child so he wouldn't have to listen to me. They are our children! It is our responsibility to protect them. If we have to get out of our comfort zone and step on somebodies toes to do it I say the price is not to high.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
*checks toes and sees no bruising* Darn right.... Can you say home school. I know it isn't the answer for everyone but it is an option when there is no help in the schools.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Yeah I kinda went off there a little didn't I? BTW I did homeschool mine after the sixth grade. There is no way I was going to send them to that high school.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Yeah I'm in Detroit and our public schools are scary at the kindergarten level. I home schooled 2 of 4 and the only reason the babies are in the system is because they are in special ed... the minute the schools want them main streamed they will be home schooled too.
• India
18 May 09
Hello my friend TLChimes Ji, It is very sad, what happened with the boy. I feel, when boy brought out first time parents should have changed the school, as school paid no heads to their repeated reminders on the subject. But it is we can talk now only. Let's hope that it is never repeated. Also it is an eye opening for many who prefer to go gay and promote the same. May God bless You and have a great time.
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• India
18 May 09
Hello my friend TLChimes Ji, Let's prey for the departed soul and wish school authorities take due sufficient precautions, so that it is never repeated. May god bless You and have a great time.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
18 May 09
I hope the school and the surrounding schools learned from the loss of this boy. It is so hard to think that his cries went unanswered.
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• United States
21 May 09
11. By eleven I knew that it was my fate to be bullied and it would never stopped. It started with me at 8 and if I had even knew that I could kill myself, I wouldn't be here. luckily at 9 I started playing the violin so I had my own group of friends. All the a$4hole who teased and bullied me faded to the background.They never stopped but I had friends and it was easy to ignore them And by highschool when I went to more advanced classics , they started to disappear.But if I could, I would have ended it all at age 8.I am glad I grew up when I did, if I were growing up now,feeling the way I do now, I would have gone to school and killed the bully.Sadly I think this will be just a blip on the radar, I think it will take something on a larger scare, dare I say it? another Columbine.Teachers and parents think that it is a phrase and being teased is just a part of life but to the child it is the end of feeling worthy of anything good.And when it really sinks in that No One will help, thry either kill themselves or plan to kill someone else.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
21 May 09
Hopefully people will share the stories, will feel the pain, and start paying attention. I know I'm paying attention.
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@carolscash (9492)
• United States
29 Apr 09
I know that bullying has always been an issue in school. However, the bullying that kids suffer now are nothing like the days that we were in school. I feel sorry for kids these days as it seems that nothing will help protect them . Schools have become really bad and is the one place that our kids are suffering on a daily basis. I have taken it upon myself to home school my kids as I don't feel that the schools anywhere are safe anymore.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
29 Apr 09
I agree.... and home school. For the same reasons as well as the fact that in FDetroit the education is poor. I feel so bad for kids these days.... they aren't given a chance to be young.
@mummymo (23706)
26 Apr 09
Heartbreaking isn't it? I know what a raw nerve this hits with us Moms and I am sitting here with tears running downs my cheeks right now just at the thought of it! Solutions? Well there is no single solution. Of course we have to keep fighting bullying but it is a horrible systemic disease that will never be eradicated due to the human nature. All we can do is listen to out children be there for them and watch over them, fight for their right to live unmolested and not to be bullied in any way and always just be there with a shoulder and most of all a whole heap of love and reassurance. As someone who has seriously attempted (and very nearly succeeded) in taking the only way out I could see at that time I KNOW how easy it is to get bogged down in pain and depression that you cannot see the alternatives and very often people who have decided to take this option do seem happier and more settled as they have made the decision. We need to KNOW our children and support them! Sorry I can't speak sensibly right now I just want to cry! xxx
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@mummymo (23706)
28 Apr 09
I understand a LOT honey! I agree wholeheartedly with you! Hugs xxxx
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Ditto.... and now you understand even more then before. Being a mom sucks sometimes but I wouldn't give it up for anything. And I sure in h. e. l. l. won't let it be taken or stolen from me without a fight. HUGS XXXX And thank you.
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@misshoney (973)
• Philippines
26 May 09
hi tlchimes. that is a really sad story. how can a child so young think of ending his own life? that is just not normal and indicates that there is something terribly wrong in our society now that needs to be corrected. hope we don't get to hear news like this again.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 May 09
Shortly after I posted this a girl just 14, that went to my son's school took a dog leash into the garage and hung herself. They say it was because other girls at school called her fat. I cried.... I really did.
• United States
30 Apr 09
It's always tragic and heart breaking when something like this happens. However, what do you expect when adults are just as bad at bullying as children are. Children learn from example. Parents, teachers pay attention to the behavior of the children in your charge; and if you see disturbing behavior, put a stop to it.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Sadly you are very right. And these kids unchecked will have little bully children one day. It is up to us to stop the cycle but..... the answers aren't easy.
@Dorrdavy (275)
• Jamaica
24 Apr 09
i dont know what to say, he was so cute. it really is so sad.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
It is such a needless loss.
• United States
24 Apr 09
That is just horrible! And to think that's all the school could say. To think that they didn't do more to stop and prevent the bullying! Something really should be done to help our kids. The teachers and staff really need to step up to the plate and help these children out!
@jkatmaou (195)
• Philippines
25 Apr 09
the story's so sad. and you're right, no 11 year old should feel the need to escape by killing him/herself. but you know what? if you think adults are mean, kids are even meaner. i'm not saying this because they're more free when they want to say something, but what you feel as a kid has the tendency to stick with you til you grow older. and kids, well, they're kids, they say what they want without even fully udnerstanding what the consequences may be.
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@jkatmaou (195)
• Philippines
28 Apr 09
true, adults are also responsible. but in this case, we really can't put the blame on anyone.
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• United States
18 May 09
That is so sad. I can't see how an 11 year old can be going through such heartache like that. To the point he takes his own life. We should all say our prayers for his family.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
18 May 09
I can't imagine what his mother is going through. She's taken to fighting... she wants change and I understand that it gives her son's loss meaning.
• United States
25 Apr 09
I always had this impression that children went to school to get a proper education, not to be tortured and bullied by dysfunctional classmates until they are pushed to the edge! This kind of news really does make me angry! I remember how mean kids were in school and how parents and teachers really had no ideal what was going on or chose to ignore it. The children who bullied this child to the point that he felt he must end his life should get suspended from school or have to have mandatory weekly meetings with a psychologist.But then a lot of children learn a lot of this antisocial bullying behavior at home, don't they?
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Yes it starts at home... lack of parenting once there is a report of this if nothing else. I am all for making sure the bullies get some form of punishment... something to show them just what their actions did.
• United States
25 Apr 09
This is just sad. I've had a lot of people I went to school with end their own lives early but never that young.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Sad, heart breaking, and such a waste... think of all the cool stuff he's missing out on.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
26 Apr 09
No one has any clue what it's like to be bullied unless they've been there themselves. It is hard to go to school every day and be taunted every time you turn around. My last name didn't help me one bit either and I couldn't wait to get rid of it once and for all! When I got divorced, I kept my ex's last name because even though it wasn't great, it sure did beat my maiden name by far! People need to teach their children tolerance and that everybody is different in one way or another. And that no two people are alike including twins. Maybe then they'll grow up and learn compassion instead of learning to be a bully. We can only hope. God rest this young man's soul!!
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
And to add to all the great things you've said... they need to teach them tolerance... when they are young. Expose them to different types and abilities of people. Practice tolerance themselves. People scare me.... not because of their differences but because of their blindness.
@srikool (936)
• India
29 Apr 09
hi..this is amazing to me ..what happed to that child..in his so young age..what should be affect his life and mind like this..that is the age to play...this is very sad one..
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
29 Apr 09
For a child that young to be lost enough to hurt themselves really makes my heart hurt. Poor little guy. His life was just starting.
@chulce (1537)
• United States
25 Apr 09
There is a lot of torment that our children have been going through all over the place. it is sad when elementary schools are having to put up metal detectors because weapons are being brought in. Many parents are now turning to Home schooling. Making the time to home school and be sure their children are getting the education they need, but at the same time, not having to deal with all of the social issues that have developed even in our younger schools. Many of these issues can be handled carefully. But, it must first start in the home. We as parents need to take the time to be more involved in our children's lives, we need to be involved with the teachers and schools, knowing what is going on every day if possible. Of course this can almost be impossible. Find a way to make sure you have direct contact with your child's teacher. Find a way to make sure you have contact with the principal and let them know that you are concerned and want to help. Get your company involved, let them know what our children are going through. Many businesses are interested in helping and wanting to find ways of helping parents be more involved. When your child gets home, ask them about their day, if you don't feel right about their explanation, ask the questions..."What aren't you telling me?; Did anyone pick on you today? Did you let an adult know what is going on? If so, what did they say or do?" We need to become detectives and be sure we know what is going on. Get involved in the parent teacher organizations at your schools. I know it is difficult, but again, let your offices know what is going on, get them involved and understanding that our children are at risk and we need to be more involved. All of us are guilty of it, at some point, we have put blinders on and have ignored certain things in our lives, that have made us focus more on that bottom line....Money. We have all had to focus so much to keep our families going that at times, there are little things that have gone by the way side, one of which is the family conversation. Our children are so conflicted and unsure, they don't know what to do. This is showing up with the younger generation more and more. This is because of an increase in our intelligence levels etc. We need to become parents again. On all levels, this includes discipline as well. We let the government get involved in how we determine to discipline our children. Many parents have turned to the point, where they just say something to their child, no grounding, taking away of objects, nothing of that nature. Speaking doesn't always make a difference, you need TO DO something. Get your full message across to your children. If you have a child that does bully, find out why? If they tell you its because its fun, find out what makes it fun? Break it down, then let you child know how wrong it is. Set an example. Call then a name, see their reaction, if they don't react, it may be a good idea to bring in an expert, talk to a child psychologist. Ask them what you can do, to help your child to understand the negative affects they are causing on someone elses life. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just feel we all need to get involved in finding solutions, starting in our own homes. Making a difference in our own communities. Making a stand and helping our children. They are all calling for help. Its time to make huge changes.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I'm a home schooling mom. My youngest two are in public school because of their special needs but you can bet the farm that if they are ever "mainstreamed" they will come home. You offered wonderful suggestions.... thank you! You are more then right.... and if we don't answer them now... they will grow into adults who are mistreated or are mistreating others.
@csrobins (1120)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Wow I had heard of this but I hadn’t heard why he had. That is so so sad. Like I feel most sorry for the mother. She probably blames herself for not taking action. I hope the bullies realize what happened and realize the full extent of their actions. What do you do though? You can’t protect every child from being bullied completely…but you don’t know which ones aren’t going to be able to handle it at such a young age.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I think the bullies should be SHOWN what they have caused. A walk through the heck they caused would be good. I wish there was a simple way to fix it but these kids will one day be adults.