God is Pro-Choice

Do you know how many children there are in foster care that never find permanent families? Where are all these couples who aren't able to have their own children for these kids? I guess they're "too old" or not perfect enough. Annie

Thanks anniepa. That's exactly what I would have said.

"I found that I did not always agree with their views but I still had to follow my own conscience" as do I. "I have my own beliefs and one of those is that abortion is wrong. " I respect your right to believe that. MY belief is that forcing women (some girls even) to have babies that they cannot support and may not have the mental capacity to give away is wrong.

but there is so many different thing out there to take to not get that way.they need to think with their head not their ____ all the time ,instead of to dogs in heat.

Hi David. I don't agree with you that it is "completely" without merit and apparently there are a few others here that agree with me... That being said, thanks for the question that you ended this post with. I've been somewhat asking myself the same question (not exactly but somewhat). I'm not trying to "convince myself" of anything. But yes, I did have an abortion when I was younger. I'm okay with my decision. I'm not "happy" that I went through what I did. But I'm not feeling any major guilt over it. I think what I was trying to accomplish with this discussion and with my statements in other discussions regarding abortion, it simply to point out to people that life is often more complex than many people want to realize. To this day, I stand by my decision and I know that there are young women out there in ever worst circumstances than I was in at the time. I would hate to think of them being forced to bring a pregnancy to term and give birth if they do not feel they are emotionally, financially or in any other way, able to follow through with their pregnancy. I have considered starting another discussion on this topic where I share the details of my choice, simply because I've noticed that although there are women here that are very vocal about being pro-choice it is rare to seem someone admit that they did have an abortion. It's a hard thing to do. People are so quick to judge. I kept this part of my life a secret for 20 plus years and I still hesitate to talk about it, not because I am "ashamed" of my choice, but because people are so quick to judge and, unfortunately I do (to some degree) care what people think of me. I think that about answers your question, doesn't it?

One thing that I failed to mention, and I think it's important to add because it has come up in more than one of the replies to me... I never said God "wants" us to have abortions. I said he gave us a choice. I don't know why God allows certain "bad" things to happen in the world. I don't understand God's logic. I know that many religions simply tell us that "its not for us to know". But, although I do have faith in God, my faith in the "Bible" is not as strong and I also don't agree with those who feel it is wrong to question God. I tend to believe that "things happen for a reason" and we must strive to learn and grow from our experience. I tried to do that with my experience.

"Since you refer to God as he/she/it I can only surmise that you have no relationship with God, nor do you believe in Him. " You seem to "surmise" incorrectly about people on a regular basis. I do believe in God. My relationship with God is a personal relationsip. "Therefore, I am compelled to inquire as to how you would presume to speak for God or to His plan for humanity" My daughter was taught in her Christian school that the Bible was "inspired" by God. The books that were taken OUT of the Bible were chosen to be taken out of the Bible because that is what God wanted. I am a child of God. God WANTED me to post this.

Interesting...

I find it highly dubious that God supports the murder of the unborn, when the Bible plainly states otherwise.

"I guess being disprespectful to anyone BUT your parents is okay then?" Of course it is. It's my decision whether someone deserves my respect or not. I was referring to the commandment of "honor thy mother and father" "He wants us to make the RIGHT choices and such is the point of free will, and the commandments and bible to guide us. The "RIGHT" choice for you may not be the right choice for me." Well, you're being selfish by thinking it's all about me and you. It's about an innocent child who is being deprived of the right to live because someone considers the child's life an inconvenience. "If I make the "wrong" choices I will let MY (agnostic) God be the judge of that. Not MAN and not OUR GOVERNMENT." I can judge anyone I want whether they "let me" or not. And I never mentioned government. Do you feel it's ok for the government to judge a man who shoots a 4 year old girl in the head for getting in his way? Why is it suddenly acceptable to kill that same girl if she is only 6 months in the womb?

"Of course it is. It's my decision whether someone deserves my respect or not. I was referring to the commandment of "honor thy mother and father" " I knew what you were referring to...If it is your belief that it's okay to disrespect people because it's not listed in the ten commandments. Then I'll stick to my own belief system, thank you.

"That is the worst argument I've even heard in my life" of course you would say that. "Perhaps you are joking, but if not you are showing a clear lack of knowledge about the Christian God " or perhaps a lack if UNDERSTANDING your "Christian" God. and why he gave us free will. He gave us the power to perform great acts of good and evil. He then gave us free will so we would have the power to choose whether to be good or evil. Abortion is the murder of a defenseless, innocent life. The bible makes it quite clear "thou shall not commit murder". As such within the 10 commandments, god makes it clear in no uncertain terms that he does not want us to have abortions. "If I use your logic I could say that god wanted us to lie, steal, commit adultery, be disrespectful towards our parents" I guess being disprespectful to anyone BUT your parents is okay then? He wants us to make the RIGHT choices and such is the point of free will, and the commandments and bible to guide us. The "RIGHT" choice for you may not be the right choice for me. If I make the "wrong" choices I will let MY (agnostic) God be the judge of that. Not MAN and not OUR GOVERNMENT.

One argument that kills me - I pass a billboard on the way to work every day that claims '150 American babies are killed every hour!' or some such shock figure. Leaving aside the rather interesting point that I was under the impression American citizenship was conferred when you were born in the US, not conceived... I might be misremembering the figures, but I'm probably being conservative. I think it might even say 'per minute', but we'll go with hour: I make that over 1.3 million additional mouths to feed the US would have, every single year. Browsing over some of the more right wing websites, they claim 42 million/year are aborted, so maybe 'per minute' is right. Which would mean the US population would double in less than 10 years. Pop quiz: How many years do you reckon it'd be before the resources of the country were outstripped by the demands of the population?

"If they are going to die, they had better do it, and reduce the surplus population" Ebenezer Scrooge (of course, as long as I am not part of the cull) Goodness, maybe war is a good thing? Bring on the swine flu!

I agree. It is odd, because the writer, and many respondents, don't really care what God thinks. I think it is kind of unfair to drag divinity into the argument when you know very well it has no bearing on the outcome. "I will do what I will because I want to set my own standards." That is THE issue. Abortion is just the vehicle. "God" adds a little fuel.

Hey mia.... I am not accusing anybody. I am not even accusing you. I am a Catholic so I am talking from a Catholic viewpoint. As a Christian I do believe that God granted us life (human life) to treasure it and take care of it. This means protecting even the unborn child because it is a human life. We may differ whether the unborn child should be protected or not. But I think we all both agree that there is a human life in the unborn child.

Okay, I know before I say this that you're probably going to come away from this accusing me of either oversimplifying or just plain being an idiot, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. Though shall not kill... kill what? kill anything? kill roaches? kill ants? kill cows? or is it just humans? Those ten comandments just didn't come with enough details in my opinon. Though shall not lie... Lie at all? I've know PLENTY of Christians who tell white lies on a regular basis... I'll just stop here.

Ya, and then you go on to peer pressure and not having the right parental influence in the formative years and it causes kids not to be very responsible. BC is easy to come by it is scarey for a kid to go get it and be asked why a parent isn't there and then it twirls into a thing and is hard for a kid to do.

The choice is: do I sleep with this guy or don't I, let me think, am I married to Him, do I want to have a child, will I be able to get rid of the disease I may get as easy as I can get rid of the baby I may conceive? I'm sorry, with birth control so easy to get and the ability to choose to say no thanks, abortion should not be an option. Life is a gift and who is to say that the baby conceived from a rape cannot be loved and cared for by someone. Who are we to have a right to kill a child? Why can't the man insist on not allowing an abortion of his child so that he can raise it. Or maybe the man should be allowed to force the woman to have an abortion so he doesn't have to pay support. What is good for the woman should be good for the man right?

Plus if you think about it, God is an abortionist, right? Miscarraiges are caused by something wrong with the body or the pregnancy. God made our bodies the way they are, so wouldn't that put the blame on God's shoulders when a woman miscarries?

"If there is a seperation between church and state then abortion should be legal." What does the separation of church and state have to do with this? Banning abortion would not fall under the "no state sponsored religion" and committing an abortion does not fall under the "freedom to practice religion" as there is no religion that is pro-abortion per its tenets. You don't need to be of any specific religion to believe the murder of an unborn child is wrong. An unborn child is a life medically, not just religiously.

And if I'm not a mistaken there is still a debate going on about "when live begins". Obviously this is one of those topics that will debated endlessly.

I do have plenty of arguments as to why I'm pro-CHOICE, yes. I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before, and I'm sure you aren't truly interested in hearing them again. Certainly not with an open mind. Good job on the sarcasm.