Catholic Church Abuse in Ireland Finally Made Public?

@TLChimes (4838)
United States
May 21, 2009 7:28am CST
Should the Church be allowed to cover up it's troubling issues? There's a huge government report out from Ireland that details the savage abuse by the Catholic Church, especially by the Christian brothers, in reformatories meant to care for the poor, vulnerable, and unwanted children. The Church has done it's normal dirty tricks. They have been able to block the names of the individuals accused of abuse so they will not be open to prosecution. Please read up to the part that details the types of abuse; it is illuminating and beyond shocking. Tens of thousands of children were sexually, physically and emotionally abused by nuns, priests, and others. Here's the story: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/world/europe/21ireland.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper (If the link doesn't work, please let me know. I'll post a new one in one of the early responses)
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@enola1692 (3325)
• United States
22 May 09
this is disgustting but yes I can believe it no the church shouldnt be allowed to cover it up god only knows what happen to those poor kids when the left after beening abuse they probary grew up not to trust anyone again makes me sick
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
24 May 09
Sad isn't it? The kids they hurt, and then they get away with it... will the powers that be ever get a clue and take steps to see that it never happens?
@enola1692 (3325)
• United States
24 May 09
you think that is sad go read my post on its not WITCHCRAFT I can't believe this is 2009 when you read the post you will understand what I mean
@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
25 May 09
I read it and your follow up.... in today's world I am so shocked people are ok with that crap. It's like the things they do to some women in other countries... errrr
@thezone (9447)
• Ireland
21 May 09
Hi Chimes, This report has been nine years in the making and it is about time it all came out no matter how shamefull. There are are a number of parties to blame in this scandal, the church, the government and the department of education. The only good man in this horrid affair id Bertie Aherne for instigating this investigation into child abuse within these institutions, it took a long time but he got the job done, He is one politician that I have some respect for, just for this issue alone. I am outraged that the guilty parties have been protected and will not be named. In my book child abuse in any shape or form should have its consequences. It is for these reasons that the younger generation here in Ireland have turned their back on the Catholic church in Ireland and they have have lost the power they once had. This has dented our image worldwide considerably and right now I am ashamed to be Irish
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
24 May 09
Never be ashamed of who you are... Our Zone is a great caring Irish man that doesn't ok this evil crap. *hugs Zone tight before passing him a slice of pizza* Thanks for telling us a bit more of the story. I don't think we got it all on this side of the pond. I totally agree that any abuse on children should be punished.... harshly.
@thezone (9447)
• Ireland
24 May 09
Cheers Chimes, thanks for the pizza and not judging all Irish people because of this report You are one in a million.
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@thezone (9447)
• Ireland
25 May 09
Yes they are indeed monsters and in such a position of power for all these years. I feel for all these victims of this abuse and I am glad it has finally come to light, even if justice was not served but it is a start in the right direction. Thanks for the kind words Alice, you are one of the coolest people on here I know. Big Hugs
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@mtdewgurl74 (18159)
• United States
25 May 09
I feel for all those kids now adults..they were sent there for safety and all they got was traumatized, and abused. And they say kids are better off? Guess they didn't know about all this then since it was so readily sweep up under the rug all these years until it couldn't be hidden no more. I am just glad that the rose colored glasses are off and people can see what really went on and what is still going on in some places.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
25 May 09
Yep.... it's about time too. I'm glad people are getting more ready to accept that trusted people aren't always sin free.
@mtdewgurl74 (18159)
• United States
25 May 09
I agree. We think our kids and others are protected because these so called people are supposed to be what we consider closest to God, but we find out that they are just using it as a ploy to harm the children it seems. They aren't close to God at all if they can do that to a child.
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@celticeagle (124391)
• Boise, Idaho
21 May 09
Yes, I think it should be made public. It is going to be humiliating and probably very hurtful to those who lived through but sometimes that is best. So many children were affected by this. Yes, it needs to be publicized so it will never happen again. It is terrible to think of and people need to be made aware. I think that sometimes even the worst can bring change and be a positive thing. A reflection on the church is sad but all their ways need to questioned and changed to reflect the changing times.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
21 May 09
I can only hope that more people who hear will learn from the mistakes of others and change will come faster. Hope is a good thing.
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@celticeagle (124391)
• Boise, Idaho
21 May 09
Hope is a good thing for sure. Change is too although I am not big on it. Haha
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@Pose123 (21660)
• Canada
21 May 09
Hi TLChimes, This is a very damaging report but I can't say that I'm terrible surprised. The Roman Catholic church in Ireland had a great deal of power over it's people for a long, probable more than in most parts of the world. In answer to your question, should the church be allowed to cover up it's troubling issues, my answer is a resounding no. This is not the first time that members of the Irish Christian Brothers have been shown to be child molesters, and there should be an immediate end put to this. I feel that it is quite likely that this is just the tip of the iceberg and that molestation has likely been going on for hundreds of years. I want to add here that the Roman Catholic church, while it is probably the biggest offender is I'm sure, certainly not the only one. This must be a warming to all churches not to put too much faith in their clergy, because it is often those that we trust the most that let us down big time. I have known it to happen in all churches that I am familiar with, so a warning to everyone, be careful who you trust your children with. Another point is this, all Roman Catholic priests are not like this, some are very genuine people who are following what they believe to be a calling. Blessings.
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• United States
21 May 09
Hi Pose. I agree with you on all counts. The faithful are so entwined in their belifs that I don't believe on the whold any thing will come of it.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
21 May 09
Hello Pose, There is bad and good in every faith... I agree. I think the difference we see in the Catholic faiths is that they try to "take care of their own" Nice to see you.
@enola1692 (3325)
• United States
26 May 09
I know its disgustting an then they wonder why people leave the church
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
27 May 09
Yeppers.... and it's just things like this that send people running.
@syankee525 (6293)
• United States
24 May 09
i've heard how they would and still cover up so much. to me it's sad and i grew up being cathic too. my dad got mad at me because i dont go to church and when i said why should want to go a cathic church when they abuse kids and cover it up and other church from other reglion the people are two faced like hell.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
25 May 09
Yep.... that's why I changed my faith. I still follow God, but I don't do religion. Poor kids.
@pals101 (2011)
• Philippines
22 May 09
This is something very alarming especially to the Roman Catholic Church, many christian would surely reacts to this, i hope the all the children are ok now. This type of issues should be share to public for them to share and express their own opinion ideas on this. The Church sure has lots of issues which has been cover up.. Hope the church and the government would take efforts on preventing this type of abuse to ever happen again especially on children..
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
24 May 09
Agreed Pal, lessons learned, the church would be better off.
• United States
21 May 09
I also had already read this and was appalled even with all the issues brought out on the subject.. To top it off, the priests and nuns got their hands slapped and got sent...waite for it....to the United States. Not all of them , but the majority. I don't know why any of this should surprise us, but; I queess it just reinforces my feelings on organized religion. Oh, and also, don't they have a desert island somewhere that they send their rejects to????????
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
21 May 09
No, they send them here to the US for that... they figure they will fit right in here and sadly they aren't too far off.
@chayen (90)
• Philippines
21 May 09
its true man, it is really ashamed to hear that news. but i think they have their reason not to public the names of the individuals who are involved, maybe they like to make an internal investigation first. well, i think justice will be served. just wait maybe there are more behind it. thanks also for your information.
@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
21 May 09
You're welcome. Yes, I'm interested to see what else comes out. Poor kids.