For me & my family this hate and intolerance stops at out door!

@lisan23 (444)
United States
May 30, 2009 10:54am CST
http://www.alameda.k12.ca.us/ This school district approved a lesson plan under the name LGBT. But please, don't be fooled by it's name. It's primary goal is to teach children to accept and love those who are different. It's teaching them to be kind and understanding. I struggle to find why any parent wouldn't want their child to interact with their class in such a positive way. When the child is in 5th grade they actually learn what homosexuality is, not before that. Before that it's teaching kids how to accept those who are different (with ANY kind of differences). I think that's fantastic! As a parent of 2 kids who strives to teach my children what's right and wrong, it's hard for me to see so many parents against something so positive. Even at the ages of 4 and 6, I'm trying to let my kids see they have choices, that all doors are open. Just because Grandma is LDS doesn't mean you have to be. We celebrate Christmas and one other winter holiday each year so that my children know there's more to this world than just what they see. The ONLY thing I stop at our door is hate and intolerance.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
30 May 09
The lesson plans don't give any indication of whether or not the parents could opt out, is there such an option?
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@lisan23 (444)
• United States
30 May 09
I can find nothing on the school districts site saying you can or cannot opt out of the education. However, if you're that against allowing your child to learn to treat others with respect you can simply have them miss that day of school. And there are sites out there stating parents cannot opt out of it, HOWEVER those sites are poorly informed about the lesson plans and spreading inaccurate information so I would have a hard time taking anything they say seriously.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
30 May 09
I guess the best way to find out is call the school district itself. It doesn't matter to me, I don't live in california anyway. But you presented a strawman argument, or rather better put, a cornering statement. Why do you feel I don't wish to or haven't taught my children tolerence? I just feel somethings, like human sexuality, is better left to home and not in the school system, especialy at younger ages.
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@lisan23 (444)
• United States
30 May 09
xfahctor, if you read the lessons and the original post, you'd realize that only the 5th grade lesson actually has anything to do with homosexuality. So your point is moot because it's wrong. The lessons cover acceptance and being kind to EVERYONE. It doesn't specify one group over another until 5th grade. I just don't know what else to do. I post a link to the actual school's website so that people can educate themselves on the actual lesson plan and yet they STILL choose not to and instead form an opinion without even knowing what their forming an opinion about.
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@chanice (58)
• United States
30 May 09
as a 16 year old high school student i hope they start teaching children to accept people for who they are, if the government decides not to teach it it would be as if there treating homosexuality as a disease they are being immature about it like if they teach it all the kids will follow it but in actuality it will the next generation to become acceptant of people in this world, i personally feel LGBT have great amount of courage with practally the whole nation against them the LGBT community needs our support more than ever now.
@beamsey (425)
• Philippines
30 May 09
I admire this school for trying to teach its students what acceptance is all about. I understand why some parents don't want their children learning all about that. They probably think the school is teaching them that it is okay to be gay or something. Not that this is a bad thing, but most parents wouldn't want their children to be gay because of the discrimination and stigma that comes with it. Parents who disagree with this curriculum should also understand though, that this is the school's effort to start a new generation where members of the LGBT group won't have to hide all the time. Schools are primary information disseminators and getting to these kids while they are still young will surely change a lot in the future.
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@sid556 (30998)
• United States
31 May 09
This is such a great discussion...just left one that is completely the opposite. I don't understand these parents either. Personally I think there should be a class on "love" for kids beginning as soon as they enter school. It would include everyone and yes...homosexuals as well. Sadly many parents are so against certain groups of people that their kids grow up with those same feelings. I can see why parents are not allowed to "opt out". The parents that would opt out are the very reason why such a course is needed.
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@irishidid (8724)
• United States
31 May 09
So, where do you draw the line? As far back as I can remember parents have been able to opt out when it comes to teaching their daughters (and now their sons) about going through puberty. I received a notice for both my daughters and my son when the time came to have the discussion. There was also a place on the notice where I had the choice to opt out if I wanted to. Virtually every girl has a period but not every girl is gay so why is it okay to opt out of this and not a class on homosexual tolerance?
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@sid556 (30998)
• United States
31 May 09
yes, they could but unfortunately many do not...Far too many do not.
@sid556 (30998)
• United States
31 May 09
I think I know where you are coming from with this....doesn't have to be limited to homosexuals but people in general. Kids need to learn how to love and respect others and their differences whatever they may be. We didn't have a special class for that back when I was a kid....it was just incorporated in all we did in the class and on the playground as well as at home.
@irishidid (8724)
• United States
30 May 09
I have no problem with children learning diversity and tolerance. I do have a problem when it is intentionally taught to cover only one group of people. I never heard of a mandatory class for learning the right way to treat people who are mentally impaired. Where's that class? Little kids don't need to be taught any more than just to be kind to others. Period.
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@mommaj (22892)
• United States
30 May 09
I agree with irishidid. ALL little kids need to be taught is to be kind to others. Whoever thought this up is a complete jack sss. They have just singled out this group of people to try to make them look special in the eyes of children and all this is going to do is to separate the individuals even more. Kids think of everyone as equal, especially at 5 years old. If you start labeling people at this age you are going to cause more harm because then there is a reason for the children to dislike a certain group. If there were any child psychologists involved in this project I would like to know who they are because they obviously don't understand human nature or children. I can give you an example. My four year old came home from pre-k and told me someone's skin was dark. Then she said look I am turning the same color. Remember, this is coming from a sweet innocent four year old. There was a black child in her class and he was the sweetest little boy in the class, so she had made friends with him. I smiled at her and said that her skin would never be the same color because his pigment was different from hers. I explained pigment was what made people's skin different colors. She never asked about a "black" person again. Looking back that was the best thing I could have done. We moved to a majority black area in Alabama and she didn't see the difference in the children. They were all children with different pigment than hers. My point is had I told her they were different because they were black she may have thought of them differently and not been so accepting. People are people regardless of race, ethniticity, and regardless of seksual preference. I am sorry but I don't want my six year old asking me to explain what makes a person a lesbean and what makes them gaa. I haven't really discussed boy and girl body parts yet. This is something that should be up to the family to do. If you want to teach acceptance and tolerance you need to teach acceptance and tolerance of people in general. No specific type of person. If you are specific you are singaling the group out and that makes a child wonder why. Maybe there is something different... irishidid is completely accurate about teaching kids to be kind to others.
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@lisan23 (444)
• United States
30 May 09
The lessons do not focus just on ONE group until 5th grade though. And if parents don't like the 5th grade lesson then they can just have their kid skip that day of school. But the rest of the lessons are about accepting EVERYONE. I'm going to e-mail this link to my step mom, a 4th grade teacher and ask her what she thinks. My son is in 1st grade, and after reading through the lesson it seems to be taught at the right level for his understanding. The same goes for the kindergarten lesson. I'll let you know what my step mom thinks of the other lessons for the older kids, and if they're insulting to the kids. But as for the k-1st grade ones they're about on par with other lessons the kids have.
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@irishidid (8724)
• United States
31 May 09
This is a part of a 2nd Grade lessons: 3. Read And Tango Makes Three aloud to students. After the story is over, ask students what they liked best about the story. Then the discussion follows: ? How were Roy and Silo like other penguin couples/parents? ? How were they different? ? Were they a couple? ? Why do you think Roy and Silo built a nest? ? Roy and Silo were both male penguins. Were they good parents? ? What makes a “good” parent? This is a bit before 5th grade, wouldn't you say? Is this something kids really need to know? My son's first grade teacher was gay. He didn't know it and didn't need to. He thought she was the greatest teacher ever and still thinks of her that way. He didn't need to learn about her being gay. He accepted her as she was because that's how children are.
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@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
31 May 09
Apparently, there is to be no teaching of tolerance to those who have a different religion, a different skin color, a different race, or as someone mentioned earlier, the disabled. In the fifth grade, they are learning to classify people because of whom they like to have se x with. The very group who is preaching tolerance is also practicing intolerance. So, I must ask you this, the blatant bias in the curriculum doesn't bother you? The singling out of one group in the vastness of America doesn't bother you? Having the curriculum written by one single organization doesn't bother you? Taking valuable school time away from teaching the three R's doesn't bother you? Immigrants know more about our history than our kids in school do. Using tax dollars to support the LGBT organization doesn't bother you? Because the school has to spend taxpayer dollars to actually buy this curriculum you are apparently so proud of. I say if you support an organization give it to them directly. Don't hide yourselves behind a failing school system that really can't afford to buy what your are selling. I am certainly not buying it. Personally, I am not buying the fact you need to preach intolerance either. The real lessons should be about RESPECT and less about pushing some agenda onto our kids.
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• United States
30 May 09
that is amazing that a school is finally doing this!:) all too often it seems that children blindly follow their parents' beliefs. i commend you for teaching your kids to be open-minded!my family is a melting pot of catholics, lutherans, athiests, mormons, and reincarnationists. because of this, my mom allowed me to explore these ideas on my own, in order to form my own beliefs and opinions... sort of like what you are doing for your kids! i am so grateful that she did not raise me to be ignorant. her favorite thing to say is that "you fall in love with a person's soul, not their gender". i honestly don't understand why some people are threatened by "unconventional" love. right now, with the amount of hate in existence, the only thing we can ask for are small steps in the right direction. the school district you mentioned is a fine example. also, the passing of the matthew shepard act in congress shows serious progress.
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@missybal (4492)
• United States
30 May 09
I am against this sort of thing... this is something I will teach my children not anyone else... yet once again another reason I do not trust our public school system. They need to stick to teaching the basics of history, science, math, and English and get out of programs to socially shape a child's mind which could easily be used by some toward a hidden agenda... mainly sounds like something all liberals would be very pleased with. This is wrong... you may choose to teach your child what you wish for social matters I will teach mine as I see fit.
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@jeeyah (1092)
• Philippines
12 Apr 10
First off, I admire that school for being different. A lot of other schools ENCOURAGE HATE. I'm glad that there are still some who teach kids how to accept and understand. Second, I admire you. Only few people nowadays understand and accept those who are different. I'm sure your kids are lucky to have a parent like you. Keep up that mentality, and I hope your kids grow up to be someone like you. STOP HATE!
• United States
31 May 09
It seems to me that there are some that think their way of think should be tolerated, but they're not willing to tolerate the other person's thinking. I think children should be taught to respect all types, but the powers that be need to stop trying to force the homosexual issue down throats. There are some who will never believe that homosexuality is all right and don't want their children being indoctrinated into believing that it is.
• United States
31 May 09
I think that it's great that these kids are getting this kind of education. We need to stop being intolerant. I think that it's a little early to start teaching these things. However, a lot of kids won't even listen when they get past say, 7th grade. As long as it's presented in the appropriate way (which it looks like it is,) I'm all for it.