I need some help with my son

India
July 3, 2009 2:12am CST
After my last discussion on my son wherein I have seriously taken up the suggestions of friends here to go slow on my anger, I am up against another wall. To repeat, my son will be 10 in two week’s time and though very nice and helpful most of the times, in some cases he’s just too obstinate for my liking. Well this has to do with TV time…he has 1 hr TV time in the afternoon and then in the evening when studies are over and while having dinner. Now, dinnertime is also the time when I have a little time of my own to watch the TV and chat with the family. BUT my son will just not switch over from his cartoons, neither will he allow us to talk as it distracts him. To cut it short….things have come to such a pass that today I told him (nicely, I’m controlling my anger) that he was being very selfish and well he looked at me a little hurt but shrugged his shoulders and said ‘OK… I’m selfish’ as if ‘so what!” and looked the other way. Now what to do next? I can live without the idiot box but that’s not the point…I would like him to learn to give up a few likings for the greater family benefit and I would like him to understand what sharing with parents is. Rebuking him or taking away his other likings or sending him to his room with dinner is not the solution…knowing my son, it will alienate him further but not make him see sense. He will continue shrugging and sulking but never admit that he is in the wrong. Also, giving in to him is not something I would like to do…I have thought of suggesting dividing the TV time but am not very comfortable with the solution. It seems more like bargaining for my own rights rather than a mother teaching her son some values! What do you guys think?
7 people like this
35 responses
• United States
3 Jul 09
You have a tween-ager (not quite a teen yet but flexing their independence). When my daughter was ten, she loved to throw a fit (she is 6'1" tall) anytime I would ask her to do the dishes. One day I was listening to Keven Leman on the radio. Kevin writes a lot of good books on child rearing and he has such a great sense of humor. He was really an obnoxious kid growing up and that has helped him help others. He is now a grandpa and has many good stories and excellent advice. Anyway, I digress. I was listening to him on the radio and a lady called in that said her son (around ten) would throw fits when he didn't want to do something and threaten to strip down naked and run out in the back yard. I loved the advice that Kevin gave. He said to just get out a camera and calmly tell the kid to go ahead and she should be ready to take pictures to share with his friends. The kid never threatened his mother again with this. I took Kevin's advice on the camera and prepared it ahead of time and tucked it away. The next time my daughter threw a fit, I pulled the camera out and aimed it in her direction as she was jumping up and down. She froze in mid tantrum and asked what I was doing. I replied that I was taking pictures to remember this moment and maybe we could share the pictures with her friends when they came over. Guess what? No more tantrums and I walked away with a smile on my face. Here is the url for Dr. Leman's latest book. http://www.drleman.com/store/parenting-books/have-a-new-kid-by-friday/prod_43.html He has many good books that can be checked out of the library. My sisters and I are sharing this particular one and passing it around amongst us. Now that you have the anger under control, here's a way to put a little humor into the whole child rearing thing and come out with a smile on your face and peace in your house. There have been many times that I have told God that He made my daughter and now I needed some good understanding on how to handle one thing or the other. When my daughter reached her mid twenties, she told me one day that I was so lucky because she was such an easy child to raise. I guess that depends on what perspective you are coming from. She is a good kid and I know your son is too. Hang in there. You will make it and so will he.
• India
3 Jul 09
Thanks so much for reassuring me…I really really need it from time to time. I know he’s a good kid but he’s no longer a child and I think its about time he started understanding about sharing with parents and responsibility (have you ever noticed how its never a problem of sharing with their friends??!!)…I would really like him to give up something which he enjoys, just so his parents can enjoy some of their own likings. I’ll be chking out the link you gave…and for your daughter…oh she brought a smile on my lips as I read about her certifying herself as an easy child…I tell my mom the same thing! Wait till she becomes a mother and find out for herself
1 person likes this
• India
3 Jul 09
I grew up with my mom criticizing me constantly…even now, I fail to understand her benchmark of perfection…I guess to her, only she herself is perfect. Maybe that’s why on being a mother, I have always praised my son and encouraged him to make mistakes and take his own decisions. One fallout of this is that he has become ‘too’ independent for my liking and herein I face all my problems. He is really really obstinate when he wants to or on issues where he feels he is correct. Now a 10yr old of course is not correct most of the times! Anyway, I really appreciate your replying back…thnx a ton.
• United States
3 Jul 09
I think my daughter will have an easier time than I have had in child rearing because I will share what I have shared with you. In fact, she is quite a reader and loves to research things so I will give her a good stack of information that should help. In the meantime, I would focus on the positive things that your son is doing and compliment him on those things. You may be surprised on how that may cause him to open up to you when he feels your approval. You stand in a very powerful place as a parent to build your son's self image. Children love to do nice things when they are complimented. I really had to work on this one with my daughter because I grew up in a house where we were constantly criticized. Without even knowing it, I tended to focus on her faults rather than her strengths. I know my mother meant well, but it set a pattern in me that has been hard to break. In fact, how wonderful it would be for you to quietly sit with your son and watch his cartoons with him. What a blessing that he at ten is still watching cartoons instead of things that would really be questionable. As you show interest in him, he will eventually show interest in you. It is not very often that my daughter takes over the TV, I enjoy what she watches and she enjoys what I watch. We don't always agree but we are open about our opinions and it is a good communication bond.
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
3 Jul 09
Hi Sudipta! I may tell you that this problem is very common that kids watching their favourite programmes like cartoon etc. and not allowing in any other person in the family to view his/her choice of programme(s). They seem addicted to me to cartoons etc., my own son does the same thing, despite repeated reminders that he should limit his viewing time and should do something else also, besides watching TV. I think, if you have one TV in your home, then the problem may persist, it will not be easy to persuade your son, not to watch his choice of programmes on TV. Dividing time on TV is one of the ideas. He can shuffle his timings, so that you could also watch your daily soaps/serials, because cartoon films keep coming the entire day and on more than one channel. And the other solution to your problem could be to buy another TV set, so that you could see your own programme. If buying another TV is not possible then there is one more option, as you have already bought a computer, you can buy a TV tuner kit/cord, which will link your TV to computer Monitor and you can see your TV programmes on your PC. Best of Luck!
1 person likes this
• India
3 Jul 09
Hi Deepak, We have a small TV for bedroom viewing so if I have to watch TV during dinner then I’ll have to go to the bedroom, which I don’t want. As you said, every child these days is addicted to the TV though I must say that my son has curtailed it a lot. He watches for only 1hr (1pm to 2pm) during lunch time and then after completing his studies around 10pm, he switches on the TV and his cartoons. This continues during dinner too so essentially he is watching his cartoons till 11:30pm…now this is what I don’t like. He can watch his shows till the time dinner is served (while I prepare dinner and lay the table) but after that, if I want to watch some news or chat with his dad (he is included too)…he starts throwing his tantrums. But seriously Deepak, I am exasperated…I think cartoons should be banned by making a law *sigh*…I seriously think I’ll take Cyn’s advise (first responder) and make it a rule of no TV while dining…I had tried it before but he made such sorry faces, that I had to give in. this time I’ll be more serious. BTW, what is a TV tuner kit/cord? Tell me in details, pls.
• India
3 Jul 09
Thnx for the info and the reply...I will try to retire earlier at night.
1 person likes this
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
3 Jul 09
Hi Suditpa! It is a good idea that during dinner time TV be swtiched off and it should not be seen by anyone. Recently, while discussing some problems with our family Doctor, he advised the same thing to me that we must not watch TV, while taking our dinner, if we watch TV, then it is will be difficult to prevent our children. We need to set an example. Watching TV till late at night i.e. till 11.30 p.m. appears too long to me, because your son is required to get up early for his school, I suppose and if he goes to bed late, getting up early becomes difficult. You see banning cartoon chaneels is not going to solve the problem. Remember, when you are busy in some task, he keeps himself busy with cartoons, he also needs some entertainment. You can get a TV tuner kit from some electronic shop, which sells electronic product relating to TV & computers. It is a small device with a long cord, which when plugged to TV and other end to your CPU of Computer, transmits all TV prorammes/channels and it is not very expensive, it may cost you something around Rs.1400-2000/-. All the best!
1 person likes this
@subha12 (18441)
• India
3 Jul 09
I can understand the situation. It is the case with children of that age in almost every household. My niece , who is just 4.5 years of age, many times act like that. we get angry but she is too little to understand the way she is hurting or disturbing others.Talk to him at other times and make him understand what is the thing he is doing.
1 person likes this
@suzzy3 (8342)
6 Jul 09
To be honest he sounds like he is taking over or trying to he sees the tv as a way of getting your attention ,my son was the same ,it was brushing his teeth would not do it,I got in a state about it ,then I did not he brushed his teeth without any trouble.Tell him straight then do what you want and ignore his protests, once he realises you are not taking any notice he will stop,but then he will move on to something else.It will be a constant struggle with something or rather,when he is good go crazy ,say well done ,arn't you helpful.arn't you clever.He is trying to get your attention and will go to any lengths to get it.What ever you do don't argue with him that will add fuel to his fire,send him to his room if he does not do what he is told.It will work after a while,you won't get any common sense from him for a while just bear with it,this is what I did,I walked away from a row so many times ,sent him to his room,made myself stay calm.When all else failed I smacked him around the back of the legs, he soon got fed up with that,just a short sharp slap just to make him realise you are the boss and not him,I only smacked my son twice warn him first if he does not comply follow through,the shock will be enough to bring him round,kids develop far greater than we ever did.Don't for goodness sake hurt him or mark him just a little wake up call,remember he will soon be a teenager and you don't want him running the home then.
1 person likes this
• India
7 Jul 09
I really liked two points here…1. that it is a constant struggle 2. don’t argue, that only adds fuel to fire. I think you have got it absolutely correct on both counts. Arguing makes him more angry and then the shouting starts and all hell breaks loose. Yes, I think keeping quiet yet firm is a better way…I’m already working on it.
@suzzy3 (8342)
7 Jul 09
Good luck.patience is something we all have to work with.it is difficult beleave me my son is fifteen know but still tries it on sometimes,thankfully I have learn't to walk away,or say get on with it and leave him to it.He actually says sorry after a while,wow.
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
3 Jul 09
Hi Sudipta, I twice read the discussion and found one dangerous sign in him and that is withdrawal symptom. This happened to mostly the depressed and frustrated teens or say children. Something is there under the carpet. Might be you have missed some points somewhere. Try to recollect any mis happenings with your son. As he is obstinate there must be history behind. Know that none becomes so 'shrugging off' kind and dogged overnight. My humble suggestion is just do not worry too much with his issue and wait for another one or two years and see if any positive traits develop in him. Please do not show your anger. He would be too far and it would be too late to bring him back.
1 person likes this
• India
3 Jul 09
Hi Rajib, If you remember my earlier discussion regarding my son and my anger, then you will also remember a lot of friends (incl. you) had advised me to be calm…I have taken the advise very seriously and nowadays, I am being polite and nice to him as much as possible. Now regarding him going too far…this is what I fear the most yet, if I give in most of the times, I come across as a weak mother. I really fear the ‘withdrawal’ part, I know of kids who have no personal interaction with their parents and I shudder to think on such lines. Since you say so well about something being under the carpet, one thing I must share with you…since the time he was born, he was taken care of by his grandparents (my in-laws) as I slogged at office during the day. Due to various reasons, that joint family broke up and we shifted house in October 2007(my son was 8yrs then)…I know that this separation has hurt my son deeply. It was akin to uprooting him but being a child, he could not really understand the equations of the adult world and throughout last year (2008) he used to shout and accuse me of separating him from his grandparents. You don’t know what troubled times I have passed last year…he has cooled and settled down a lot, but I know he is not that happy as he was previously! But what more can I do Rajib? Its not possible to go back…I try to keep him happy as best as I can yet now I feel that sometimes he is taking advantage of this…I mean he has come to accept that we can never go back, but he also understands that there are many things that mommy will do now, just to keep him happy. He goes to visit his grandparents during vacation time for a week or so and keeps in touch with them over the phone. The separation was not acrimonious and we all are very much in touch…so he cant complain on that.
1 person likes this
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
3 Jul 09
Well, well Sudipta, something of this sort I expected know from you. Now all is told and known, its time we try to fix the issue. Yes I remember every bit of the discussion that even I had suggested you to be cool and see how things follow. First thing he is still a child though his actions are grown ups alike. Two things you overlooked perhaps when you got separated from the joint family and the boy was taken along you without counting his wish. I do not think you had a talk with him before you were finally out of the house. The granny's love is something children of that age hate to share and again hate to be deprived of. Hid soul remained there though his body came with his parents. Might be here he did not get like minded friends and created sort of cocoon and with TV and all remain inside it rest of the time. Second thing when you used to be too angry he got scared and that sent him sort of introvert and ceased normal discourse with you all but while in association with your in laws' house he was the real self again. A dichotomy tore him apart and meanwhile he got accustomed to your anger and scolding and started the reverse action like - 'you took me away from grand parents house without consulting me or asking me and now up to sickle me'. Hence the withdrawal like behavior came to the fore. It could be real and a trick too. Third thing, just for the sake of mending things you turned too indulging and obliging to all his needs and he got his weapon to play with your emotion. Remember he is a clever observer. Now what could be done? Why do not start in the most natural manner to entrust him some serious task like keeping the home account and ask him to make some omelet so that he feels that he really belongs to this house. I doubt he has this problem too that he feels himself alien as he being a boy of ten has no household liability. I do not mean all boys do, but just a try. Besides asks his opinion on too serious but fake discussion and resolve his opinion as the best and act accordingly. Lets see....
• Malaysia
3 Jul 09
sometimes, kid must learn it the hard way, if you got very mad for once, then may be this will hard wire in their mind, so they will more caution next time. One thing about kid is, never let your kid get to predict what your re-action or action. Normally they already know what your action, so they don't care. by the way, why not bring him out to play some sports, or just o other interesting so to stay away from TV some time, inculde you.
1 person likes this
• India
3 Jul 09
He goes to play in the late afternoon so that is compulsory unless its raining. I have tried becoming real mad a few times…he gets scared and promises a lot and then we forget about it after a few weeks. But now, I am working on controlling my anger…I am trying to tackle him by being polite and nice.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
5 Jul 09
Hi Sudipta, long time. You know what I think? I think you should tell him exactly what you told us when he is NOT watching television and in a mood to listen to you. Talk to him how you would to another human being. He's almost 10...he has his own identity. Tell him that you understand how he feels about watching his television shows and not thinking about anyone else wanting to watch the 'idiot box' but that's not how a family works. You 'share' things. Sometimes one needs to give up some things one likes for the happiness of another person....and one might get more satisfaction from that than they would have got with whatever they were doing. At this point, you could throw in some examples where you give up some things you like for the happiness of your husband or child (or whoever). Now, the important point. Once you've put your point across, LEAVE him. Let him get his mind to do some thinking. He'll come up with his own solution. Don't think he will do it the first time he gets an opportunity. He might want to test you. The next time you ask for TV time and he shrugs...just give him the look and walk off. If he doesn't get the message after a couple of times of doing this....you might need to have the talk with him again...and also put it across that he doesn't seem to have understood what you said. If that fails...then get your husband to do some old fashioned firmness...and 'You don't have that attitude with your mother!'talk. All the best.....and don't feel frustrated. I'm going through the same thing (in other areas) with my almost 9 year old son! I know what to do...but don't have the time or patience to do it...what with the little brats tantrums thrown in!
@SViswan (12051)
• India
7 Jul 09
I think that's the perfect thing to do. lol..I think MY son is going through puberty too. It's hard to digest that the sweet little sons we had are turning into these stubborn boys. Now if it was my younger one I wouldn't be surprised at all....but getting this attitude from my older one really puts me off. Having said all that, I guess it's the mother (or the main caretaker) who knows the child best and what would work and what wouldn't. All we can do is give suggestions. I've seen kids where a litte firmness works and others ..where the firmness makes them distance themselves more. It's for you to choose what works best for your child. All the best again...and let me know what works;) I need suggestions too.
• India
7 Jul 09
of all things Sandhya, I think leaving him alone to mull over his actions is going to work best. You know how our families work…its vastly different from most of the things the way they do it in western families yet, I believe the problems are the same and here too, we are seeing kids becoming way too independent earlier than we ever did in our own childhood. One friend here suggested puberty and I do thnk that might be one of the reasons. Even he himself is confused about his behaviour! So I don’t think I’ll banish him to his room without food or take away any of his ‘privileges’…I believe that will add to the alienating factor in a pre-teen boy…it will make him feel mortified and suppressed and stubborn. Talking to him and then leaving him alone would be the best thing…after all, if he is to take stock of his actions and change them, it will have to come from within himself…he is past that age when I can impose it on him. What do you think?
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jul 09
Can I amke a small suggestion/ Please finish your work and sit wth him while he watches his cartoons. Tell him beforehand that you would like to watch a bit of cartoons and ask him to guide you regarding the storyline etc..,Then slowly broach the topic to him that you would like to watch a bit of your t.v and you are asking him as a favour; if he does not want to grant you that then it is alright . But tell him how it is one of your favourite programs and how you would like sometime because you are very tired and need to sit and relax for a while. Then you can ask him to tell you what his favourites are and those days you would allow him and wont even ask him for it.Child is more important than our own likes and so you may have to sacrifice that or compromise a bit.How long would he be watching cartoons ? Adults can have our t.v . lifelong. You cannot fight with a child on equal terms for your rights if you need the child to shower love and affection on you in your life. He will automatically get the proper sense of values when you give in to him hundred percent and be firm where it really counts. Say, for eg he watches some film program then you can say a strong 'No'. The choice and variety can only be cartoons, animal planet, Discovery etc..,let him watch all that and you will be proud of him later.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jul 09
Moreover, he is 10 years old and would shortly be entring the most difficult adoloscent period of his life.TRead carefully.
• India
6 Jul 09
As I said, I can survive without the idiot box…I want to watch the news with him only to inculcate a habit of watching current affairs. 11:30 is the earliest we can retire…I am actually thinking of starting a discussion on how I spend my day and what better ways for time management can I do…I’ve seen people here are extraordinarily gifted when it comes to solutions and advises. I know something has to be done…just don’t know what!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
3 Jul 09
I went through other comments of yours only later and the time 11.30 is just too much for the child.That cannot eb allowed. You can even switch off the t.v and sacrifice watching it, if thta will make him go to bed early. After he falls asleep you can switch it on again.
@rapolu_cs (1184)
• India
3 Jul 09
I think this is all due to the TV and what i think ois never watch TV in his presence and make him think that this change is all due to him and even make him understand the situation very camly as children at this time find curious indisturbing parents a lot.
• India
3 Jul 09
When he was a child, we used to encourage him watch TV as he learnt a lot from there…colours and shapes and songs and dance…it was like real education. But that education has now taken the shape and form of an addictive monster!
• United States
3 Jul 09
Dinner time is about the only time this family is able to all sit down and talk to one another so I would be throwing a temper tantrum of my own if anyone wanted to eat in front of the TV. I think you both should give up the TV during dinner time and make it an uninterrupted family time. Granted, this doesn't teach him how not to be selfish but it shows him that you are just as invested in making sure the family has time to talk without being interrupted as he should be. Then after dinner give him 30 minutes of TV and you take 30 minutes of TV after that.
• India
3 Jul 09
Hi Cyn, It’s a surprise really to see you here, I wasn’t expecting you at all after all that has happened recently…I think just as life must go on, so have you…moved on with life and its myriad expectations. Yes, ideally I would like to keep dinner time free from any outside influences and right now, I am practicing keeping my temper in check so I usually give in…but its becoming too much now! I think I’ll take your first suggestion…no TV during dinner hours and even after that, no TV…I would give up my likings just to set an example…do you think that will work? What about if we play on the computer together or have a go at checkers?
• United States
3 Jul 09
I think that is a wonderful idea! Play a game with him or do something fun away from the TV or the computer, unless you have games the 2 of you can play on the computer but board games are better in my opinion. You may even be able to teach him the valuable "you won't win all the time" rule by playing games.
• India
3 Jul 09
Oh yes, you should just watch his face every time he loses to me
@tonniek02 (457)
• United States
3 Jul 09
The biggest problem with children these days. Is that the parents are letting them have control. Remember who gave birth to them.. You are the one in control, take it and use it. Some time you have to be crul to be kind. Let them through ther fits. A glass of water in the face will stop that too. You are loosing respect and you need to put your foot down before he gets much older. Or you will find more problems then you ever dreamed of. Kids aren't stupid they will get away with what ever they think they can. Respect is not given. You have to earn it. And being the parent and showing your athoraty will help you earn that...If he say so....Show him so....And you can do this without getting yourself upset or angree..
• United States
3 Jul 09
Parents started looking control when they let there fear of government step in. And the kid were adviced by others, if you want to do what you want just tell social services. And the young parents of today, are so wrapped up into things they want, they don't care what there kids are doing and who there around. I have seen it with many young couples out there. That there social life is more important then who is with there kid. And Kid can feel that. And some feel it easyer to give them there way then to correct them and hear there cry. We've just developed a Lazy gerneration of whats in it for me....Mothers don't want to get up with the baby, fathers don't want to support the babys. So when you have a child that does not mind then maybe you need to reavaluate the way your rasing them. That is the one thing the alway bugged me... is to see a parent rewarding a child for bad behaivor. Kids today are tought the more you act up, the more you get.
• United States
7 Jul 09
From what I have read, you have lost control. You need to get that back. And that may be hard. A parents job is to teach there children to be responsable adults. and when you get them so much freedom, the only thing your teaching them is they can do what ever they want and it's ok. Well, It's NOT ok. It's little things, like getting there way over the TV or Games or even over what you fix for dinner, that leads to the Bigger things such as vilance, cheating, and stilling. I have a friend, that works for a jail. and her kids walk all over her. Her daughter go her license to drive and told her mom she was not getting a job, it was her mom's responcablity to supply her with a car to drive, insurace and money to spend. And her mom does it. There is No respect there. And a child that is out of control in imposable to handle. And this is because she has tryed what you are doing. Now she has a kid the tells her what to do and not. Is that the life you want. I have never even heard her kid say I love you mom. When my kids became old enough to drive, I did get them a car. But it was a used car, NO NEW. But they had to pay there own insuracance and gas and upkeep, And if they wanted all those instyle clothes they had to pay for them.. I would not pay those high price for clothing. I didn't ware $80 dollar jeans and I was not about to pay that for them to ware. They both got part time jobs and when they wanted something more them I was willing to do, then they got it themselves. I always would remind my kid. How would you like it if someone treated you badly. Think about what you do and say befor you do it. Cause it cant be takin back. Now, I have one that Joined the Air Force and now works for a college while she continues here education. And the other went to a broadcast school to get into Radio/TV Broadcast. They both are very responsable and respect. And I hear from them daily and they always tell me before the hang up, I love you mom. You can be a friend, But you have to be a Parent FRIST. Gide them and teach them right from wrong. And don't let them have the control. There is a time to let them make dessions. But 10 years old is not the time....
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
5 Jul 09
Turn off the TV, eat at the table and that is it. If he argues about it, he loses all TV privileges for a week for each time that he makes a fuss about it. No questions, no bargaining, what you say goes. If a child is disrespectful, there should be consequences that will make them unhappy to have. Find a book called, Parent Power by John Rosemond. I highly recommend it. You can find it in the library, Amazon.com or Ebay. If it alienates him, for a while, so be it. That is not your worry right now. You are in charge, he is not. Parenting is NOT a popularity contest and sometimes you have to be more like a drill sergeant and less of a friend. Get the book it is excellent advice.
• India
7 Jul 09
thnx for mentioning the book…I’ll surely be looking for it. actually this balancing act between a tough parent and a friend is what is getting on my nerves. Most of the times we are OK and he knows who’s in charge, but say ‘no’ to anything which he really wants, and the troubles start. Its this making him accept ‘no’ which is becoming way tougher by the day
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
7 Jul 09
I have to share with you what my children's pediatrician told me when my first child, a son, was born (he was also my pediatrician when I was young, had ten kids, all who became doctors and other professionals). When I asked him how he raised ten wonderful kids he said, "For every ten things that they ask for, that they want (not need), say, "No, nine times." The best advice I have ever heard. When they are used to hearing the word NO, it is not a big deal, but we have been brain washed by so many influences that we must make our kids happy and that is bull. Kids are happy when they are loved and disciplined and learn to be self-sufficient. Nothing is a better self-esteem booster than saying that you did well on your own. Having kids learn chores from as early as age 18 months (put away toys), and continuing to add responsibilities at home, with no pay for it (shocking!!). Allowance and chores should not be connected. Chores are a part of being in the family and are expected, not rewarded. The reward should be, "Thanks for a good job." Consequences, that really ARE painful (losing privileges like no date, no car, no TV, no play time, whatever) are more effective than threats or holding back money. Kids love their social lives and that always works. Starting, with little ones, with time out and NO interaction from adults during the time (other than silently putting them back in the chair) really works and that is the age to start... very young. But all is not lost if a child is older. It is NEVER too late to learn, it is just more challenging. The thing is, if it gets harder.... and it WILL, NEVER, NEVER give up or give in. You are NOT his friend... yet (that comes later). You are a teacher. Parents are the most important teachers. Kids learn from your actions and when they are grown, will do what you do as a parent. My daughter parents so much like me now and it is working for her, too. Did I make mistakes? Oh, you bet!! Everyone does, but that does not make a bad parent. Who goes to school to be a parent? It is sometimes a guessing game and that is why I bought the book that I mentioned. It helped me so much. Let us know how it goes and best wishes to you.
@Ritchelle (3790)
• Philippines
9 Jul 09
i think let your child have what he wants then after that just pull the plug from the tv. if he still doesn't want to join you in family discussions so be it. you are the one running the household not him. in due time he'd talk to somebody when he gets bored since the tv is off. 50 50. let him have what he wants then have what you want. however, interacting with people, even if family, is not something that can be forced on anybody. it's like liking somebody... kids having hurt feelings because of parents is a natural thing. i've been through it. and i know as a child you've been through it. with genuine love no heart of steel wouldn't melt. no eyes wide shut wouldn't see the light of day .
• India
10 Jul 09
Thnx for your words of encouragement.
1 person likes this
@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
3 Jul 09
Okay first you are the parent here and not him, if you want the television off you turn it off, if you want a different channel on you put it on a different channel. Second I would not tell my child he was being selfish, just that their behavior is not acceptable and that if he can not behave in a way that is positive to their family that he will need to go to his room till he can. Plain and simple. He acts and behaves in a manner that is acceptable or he is not allowed to be around the rest of the family till he does.
• India
6 Jul 09
OK I have heard this before but I really really want to know one thing here…he is going to enter adolescent very soon. everywhere I hear and read it’s the same about how difficult it is to keep the communication door open with children of this age (I know it, I remember my own days) and once that door is closed, its closed for a very vital part of the child’s life…at the end of it, its make or break as far as the future of the child is concerned. To keep this door open, its advised everywhere to go gentle, to talk more, to ‘understand’ and make them ‘understand’…this is what confuses me most. Talking to him makes him think I’m soft as a parent yet I am not too sure about reaching a point of no return…like banishing him to his own room and so on. He has already started shrugging his shoulders, next he will not be bothered about confinement and then what?
• India
7 Jul 09
Ok…I hope I am not being a bore here but what about the fears I have of losing contact with him if I come across as to strict? I mean what if instead of coming around and respecting me, he starts to avoid me or gradually builds a grudge against me? kids are not supposed to ever ‘understand’ why they are being punished or deprived, so how do I bridge that gap?
@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
6 Jul 09
Yes he may act as if having to go to his room is no big deal but yes it will be and it will get the point across, if by chance that does not work then he looses a privilege, if his thing is watching television then he can not watch his shows for a certain period of time, if it is video games take the controllers away for several days. You are not here to be his friend, you are his parent and yes he will get angry and he is likely to say things that may hurt your feelings, when he does the punishment will last for longer. Demand respect form your children at all times. this way they will respect other adults. If he shurggs his shoulders then add a day to the lose of television. I am sure you get the gest of this. I know that it is important that you respect your child's feelings as well, and that you show him that you care about how he feels but in doing so it is important that you establish that you are the parent and that while you will listen to him and care about his feelings you are the one that determines what the rules are and you expect him to respect you and follow your rules.
@rusty2rusty (6751)
• Defiance, Ohio
4 Jul 09
I have a ten year old son. So, I can relate to what you ae talking about. I sugest turning tv off during diner tme. Dinner time should be where family can talk to each other about what is going in their lives. A TV show distracts from that. Remember one thing, just because you compromise with your child, It does not mean you gave in. Believe it or not when you compromise you are teaching him a valuable life lesson in how to get along with someone where everyone wll be happy. Where there is no winner or loser.
• India
7 Jul 09
‘when you compromise you are teaching him a valuable life lesson in how to get along with someone where everyone wll be happy…’ I think you just gave me a lifeline! I never thought of it this way but next time I give in, I’ll run it in exactly the way you say so that he appreciates my gesture instead of thinking that mummy just gave in.
@trixyteddy (1070)
• India
5 Jul 09
I have been reading your responses, yet I'm stuck for an answer to your problem. I have two sons (both grown up now, 25 & 21 years of age). I just had to tell my older son something and he would obey. My younger son was just the opposite and I used to really get angry. I did show it without yelling. Moreover, he would put his foot down for many a thing. That's his nature (even now to an extent). What I can say, let it be. May be you have to sacrifice. As they grow up, they get to be fine. Just be friends with him. By the time he is 18 years of age, you will look back and wonder at everything. Just keep an eye on him on his outside activities. Otherwise this is all very normal with most children. Enjoy his childhood and don't be too rigid. He will change.
• India
7 Jul 09
outside activities are what worries me most whenever I think of becoming strict. you can very well understand his age and in a few years time, he would be going out on his own and have his own world. I would like that line of communication to remain open…I would like him to come and tell me everything…so whenever I think of banishing him to his room without food or taking away privileges (as many here have suggested)…I think of the coming years and am scared of alienating him or making him hold grudges against me. you know very well how stubborn kids are…they would go without food but will not let it show, yet they will hold that against the parent.
@Sreekala (34312)
• India
7 Jul 09
Hi Dear, I am late to respond and I hope that you got plenty of good advises by this time. Of course I don’t have any solution for your problem because I am already fed up with mine (lol). Today is the last holiday for my son and his school is reopening from tomorrow (July 8) and we ended up his holiday home works yesterday only. It was really a tough time for me especially we spent one month in our native place where he enjoyed much and I struggled much to get his work done. This time his holiday homework needed everyday works including diary writing etc so I pushed him to do some work but much other works were pending when we back. After my return I become mad with hot weather, office work and house hold chorus then spending time with him was really tough for me. Anyway I got a relief from yesterday night as we finished it off. Now coming to the problem, these boys are always like this especially for single kids there is a chance to become selfish. My elder son is also showing much selfish attitude sometime with his small brother (2 years old). But I observed in between them, the younger is so caring to his brother but the elder is least bothered. Now your son is 10 years old and he may need his own individuality. Let us hope once they become grown ups they will be perfect.
• India
7 Jul 09
oh Sree, you managed to make me smile…aren’t all kids just the same? They will waste so much time during the hols and then when they are to attend school, they suddenly wake up to the problem that the homework has not been done. And then they need mummy to help them (which really gets my goat!)…it’s the same with me every year…I have grand plans to extra studies and practice during the hols but it all comes down to nothing! My son’s problem is that he is very nice otherwise…caring and all that but in some cases, he is too stubborn to see reason. If I give in, its OK…if I don’t, all hell breaks loose.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
4 Jul 09
I think it is time to pick and choose your battles, he is entering the age when you have much less influence with him. Start treating him like another adult and let him make his own choices, especially on the little things. First sit him down and tell him the problem you are facing as his Mother, than listen to what he has to say. Give this value, the whole idea of this is to get him on your side and to let him know that even if yours is the final decision in these matters you will take his input seriously and will be willing to negotiate the end result. Children becoming adults feel very frustrate when they feel their ideas have no value. Never forget the goal in these discussions, it's not for you to win but for you to come to an agreement with your son for his best interest. As long as you force your point of view on him the situation is only going to get worse. Keep the long view in mind at all times and remember no one knows better how to push your button than your child. Blessings
• India
7 Jul 09
we have sat down on this TV issue before…what he says is that he gets too bored while eating so he was to watch TV, specially while he is eating. In one way, we are responsible coz when he was a baby/toddler and would run away, we made him watch TV while eating to ease our own troubles (little did we know then!) I have even tried the ‘family discussion’ thing but for one, I don’t encourage talking with a full mouth, secondly his school discussions end too fast and our ‘adult’ discussions don’t interest him OR (worse still) he feels too important and tries to ‘guide’ us and gets more angry if we don’t take his inputs. I know its not me winning but what is best for him…but this talking thing is making him think that he’s big now and mummy is softer on him.
@mlh8087 (368)
• United States
4 Jul 09
It sounds like your son has or is going into puberty early. I imagine his other friends are like that also. Practice tough love. He'll eventually come around. It may not be until he's 21, like my daughter, but eventually he will.
• India
7 Jul 09
I too think so…as it is he’s having stubbles on his underarm though he himself is unaware of the fact. I haven’t told him anything on puberty neither has he shown any interest…I do broach the topic of what his friends are saying and whatever but from what I have made out, they have not yet started the ‘talks’ amongst themselves. Difficult times lie ahead of me and my friends here will hear a lot of my ‘crying’, to be sure.
@candymarie (1368)
• Canada
6 Jul 09
....you send him to his room WITH dinner? I'd send him without, make the hunger thing really question his behavior, and none of that, "I promise to be good, just let me out and have some food please." My response to the kids when I did that to them? "Well it wouldn't be a lesson if you didn't live through the punishment. And what does you promising mean? You already lied. Now stop complaining and suck it up, because either way, I'm not listening to you, AND it doesn't work with me, so stop wasting your energy." Harsh, MAYBE, but how else will they learn that when they get a punishment, just because they WON'T shut up, and holler and put up a stink, just because they promise something, oh well, if they PROMISE, they must be telling the truth. No. They stay and be punished. I don't care that they don't like it. Also? TV during dinner time? Not so cool, turn the tv off, and say that it's impolite, not "selfish", because it really is impolite if he's demanding you guys to not say a word so he can hear the tv. Put news on insted or something, what YOU want to watch, and if he complains, remind him how he acted. And if it gets to a point where it's unbearable, then make a tv schedule for the dinner table, some night it's cartoons, the other it's news or something else you guys wanna watch.
• India
7 Jul 09
‘impolite’ is a much better word, thnx for suggesting this. I was conscious myself that ‘selfish’ is not exactly the word I wanted to use…repeated use of it was actually making him more selfish that he naturally is. well, more than the TV, its his sharing and caring for the family that I want to inculcate in him. He’s no longer a child so he better start thinking about others too! Till now, I have not succeeded with the TV thing…but with so many suggestions, I am confident of succeeding…if nothing, at least I’ll manage to make ‘no TV at dinner’ compulsory, that’s for sure.