Does anyone know

@sacmom (14192)
United States
July 20, 2009 3:57pm CST
if it is possible to pinpoint a person by a check that they forged a signature on? I'm asking because apparently my landlord had one of their checks forged recently. One guy says it was another guy that worked for my landlord. However, I have my doubts about him (the guy that mentioned it), as well as the other guy in question, but that's beside the point. I just want to make sure that the real culprit is caught, just in case one or the other is being falsely accused. Oh, and to top it off, what if they were both in on it, and one guy ratted the other guy out, in hopes to get him in trouble? Then what? (See how I think?) Talk about a messed up situation.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
20 Jul 09
Actually they will do a handwriting analyst of of those in question. I know this since it happened to my sister once. They took her handwriting and made her writing in several different ways the same name. and they try to see if there is any of the writing that matches what is on the check..lucky it was proved she didn't write the check. But she did find out that not all people are lik they seem..her "new' friend is the one that had done it..
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
20 Jul 09
I've heard of that before. Do you know how much it costs? And do you think it really works every single time? The only reason I ask is because I know with my own handwriting it's never exactly the same. That really sucks what happened to your sister. Sometimes friends make the worst enemy, eh?
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Well, my sister denied it was her that wrote the check and cashed it. So the bank is the one who had a handwriting specialist come in and do the testing on her and who ever had been in her home previous to the cashed check..that is why they make a person write about 10 times..so to see if they are any similarities at all. They later found a tablet in the "friends" house that she had been practicing my sisters name in.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Wow, looks like her "friend" was busted red handed.
@jessi0887 (2788)
• United States
21 Jul 09
My grandma had that happen to her. She never found out who it was. I think the bank does most of the investigating and you never find out. Like for me when someone hacked my account the bank gave me my money back, changed my account numbers, and investigated who made the purchases.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
31 Jul 09
It is possible. For one thing when a forger forges a check, they copy the signature exactly, but no one writes a check the same all the time. (That is something that bank clerks, etc. forget.) and it all depends on the pressure point at certain words , the intensity that they make the dot for the i, etc. Banks and stores also have cameras, and people who know the person, so if someone who is not them comes in with their check, they will know. So it is easy to find out if that guy was framed or if his so called friend did it. And the police have ways to trip the other one up, if both were in on it. So don't you worry, the guilty party will make a mistake and get caught if he has not done so already.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
2 Aug 09
So it seems they were not in it together, but each thought the other party was a crook. I guess with friends like that, you know the saying. Anyway I hope they find out who was the forger. I mean someone will be out a lot of money until then.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
1 Aug 09
Nope, they aren't friends. In fact, by what my husband told me the guy accused never did trust the other guy and would follow him around because he (the guy accused) didn't trust him (the guy that mentioned it). I hope you're right and that the guilty party will be caught.
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@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
21 Jul 09
I'm not familiar enough with forgery to be able to give you a definite answer here..the situation seems to have a lot of grey area..who benefited from the cheque? did one guy have something to gain by exposing the other guy? As you say,it could have been a setup to get that guy accused..Was the amount involved big enough? Are the Police on it? maybe they can do forensics tests to figure who wrote the cheque..
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Apparently it was big enough because the guy that has been accused hasn't been allowed to come back since. And by what my husband told me he (the guy accused) is going to be prosecuted. I don't know if he (the other guy in question) had anything to gain by it. But he did lose (or shake off) the one accused from keeping constant tabs on him. The guy accused did not like the other guy at all, by what I was told by my husband. And I think the feeling was mutual. I just hope my landlord is being swayed in their decision and will take appropriate action on the real culprit, whichever one he may be.
@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
22 Jul 09
well maybe if they got a handwriting expert it would be known faster if he did it or not and so they can move on to find the real perp if he isn't the one.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
22 Jul 09
After going through some of the other responses a handwriting analysis sounds like the best solution. Thank you mtdewgurl.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
1 Aug 09
Yes it is possible. I'm not sure that I'm understanding the situation. Did one of these guys steal one of your landlords check and write it out to himself? If that was the case...your landlord needs to trace it to where it was cashed. The bank can help him in that. Most places that would cash checks have security cameras. They can look back on the tapes and see just who came in and cashed that check.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
1 Aug 09
Thanks for your help Sid. By what I was told the guy accused found the check somewhere outside in the yard and it was already made out by the landlord...other than the signature area, which he (the accused guy) supposedly filled out. I'm not sure which one of them cashed it. I don't know. I personally find this whole situation odd. I wouldn't doubt if the other guy in question had something to do with it.
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
2 Aug 09
I don't think that would do any good seeing as what I know about it came from the man that mentioned it to my husband.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
1 Aug 09
It all seems weird. I'd tell the landlord what you know and let him take it from there.
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@candymarie (1368)
• Canada
20 Jul 09
This is why I don't do checks, unless it's to someone I absolutely trusted (IE My sisters, mom, dad (who would never take a check or money from me) and my cousin who always used to do my hair for me) and with my landlord situation, I do email money transfer through my online banking. I like this method most of all, because my landlord is unreliable for picking up the checks on time, meaning sometimes he would wait 2-3 months before picking up the darn things! So I know for a fact that because of all my lovely bills, I can't be expected to have 2-3 months worth of rent in my account at all times, I've tried, and I can't, which SUCKS, but oh well. Doing the email money transfer costs me a 1.50 every time, but the way I see it? Better than having a bounced check, which lowers my credit rating as well.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
21 Jul 09
There are ways yes, but it sure isn't going to be easy! Witnesses that are prepared to provide a statement that they saw the person doing it or cashing the cheque etc, camera footage of the person cashing a cheque or even signing it in a bank (Very difficult to use because it's unlikely that the camera will have captured footage that's close enough to see anything other than the person's face) and there's even handwriting analysis and forensics such as the pen used, imprinting on something rested on while the cheque was signed etc that can isolate an individual or where the crime took place. Personally I think that without a credible witness, it will be next to impossible to prove anything unless the authorities were to take the offence seriously enough to investigate using all the mentioned approaches and more.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I didn't think it was going to be easy, but doesn't it help that there are only being 2 possible suspects and not any more than this? I still don't know what's going on, but I have decided not to talk to my landlord about it, unless they bring it up to me first. Mainly because my landlord seems to really like this guy (and no, not in a romantic sort of way) and I'd hate to have my landlord get mad at me for being suspicious of this person. But I just can't help feeling this way, just the same. I hope my landlord will be careful.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
21 Jul 09
You would probably have to find a person that specializes in and studies calligraphy. I think that it is not exactly possible to pinpoint who wrote what , but by analyzing and comparing the main strokes, the strength of each stroke on the paper, etc, it is possible to say if that person could have written a specific thing or not, even when they try to change the way they write. Other than that it is not that easy.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
21 Jul 09
You are right, i apologize. I'm afraid I'm quite tired, but still not excuse LOL
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@icehut (508)
21 Jul 09
Calligraphy is an artistic form of hand-lettering... I think you're referring to Graphology, which is handwriting analysis... ^_^
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
21 Jul 09
I don't think it is fair to blindly accuse a person for forgery. You need a strong witness to vouch for you. A case like this happened in my family. Someone managed to forged my mum's signature (joined account with my dad) and managed to withdraw all their fixed deposit 10 years ago. It was only discovered when my late dad wanted to renew the fixed deposit certificate and to withdraw the interest earned. Much to his shock he was informed that the money has been withdrawn. My dad sued the bank and is still pending for the hearing date. This case has dragged on for many years now. When our lawyers called my mum to get her signature sample it was totally different and we believe it was an inside job, the dishonest officers in the bank took advantage of elderly people, thinking that they can easily cheat them. The problem with my parents are, they are very secretive and will never tell us about any transactions with their bankers. Forgery is hard to trace unless you take the case to a higher level, like law suit. Maybe in cases like you mention here, just make a police report and narrow down the suspects. The CID will know the next course of action. I am sure with the police intelligence the truth will finally surface.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
22 Jul 09
I don't think it's fair either...that's why I suspect both of them. Maybe I shouldn't, but up to the point right before it happen it was only the 2 of them that worked for my landlord. And apparently the one that got accused never trusted the other guy. I really need to talk to my landlord about this. I was going to last night, but worried that the guy who mentioned it would be eavesdropping as we were outside. The last thing I want is for him to overhear, just in case he is the guilty party. PS I'm sorry to hear what happened to your parents.
@jillhill (37353)
• United States
21 Jul 09
I really don't know how theye would tell unless they got an expert in on it to check out both of the guys handwriting.......I imagine the police would be right on top of it and figure it out...takes alot of stupids to do something like that...how they find the culprit!
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
21 Jul 09
It sure does jill! And I hope so too!
@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
21 Jul 09
The cops can get a handwriting analysis of both people and find out who did it. The innocent party won't mind giving it. If they are both in on it, the one who actually signed the check will be in the most trouble.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Yeah, I figured as much. Thanks for your help catlady!
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
31 Jul 09
What I think is that this is the landlord's issue and this person needs to contact the authorities and go through the proper channels to see the issue resolved.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
1 Aug 09
I agree, it is. I just worry that it was a setup. I'd hate for the guilty part to get away with it, if that is the case. I haven't bothered to speak to my landlord about it. I plan to keep out of it unless my landlord wants to talk to me about it.
• United States
21 Jul 09
wow the things people do these days for money! I definitely think that the endorsement should be checked and there are cameras everywhere where they can cash a check.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
25 Jul 09
Well I guess when someone is desperate they'll do just about anything, no matter what the situation.
• United States
2 Aug 09
I know that they can do it. A person I know had a check stolen, and someone forged his signature and cashed it. He thought he knew who had taken it, so he notified the bank and the police. There was an investigation, and the matter was resolved.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
2 Aug 09
That is good to know that it was resolved. Hopefully my landlord's situation will get resolved too.
@GardenGerty (169448)
• United States
21 Jul 09
A handwriting specialist can tell exactly who wrote the check, even if they tried to disguise their handwriting. I know how your mind works, and mine does too.
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Ah, okay. I wasn't sure if they could or not, if it was indeed disguised. Thanks for sharing this bit of information with me.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
25 Jul 09
there must be someone who can identify it.if he takes the check to the police they will know what to do with it or if they can't they will send it to higher authority to investigate.
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• United States
21 Jul 09
well..they'd have to get signatures/writing samples of the possible suspects.. but some people's way of writing is so distinct even when copying some one else it's possible.
@nicholejade (2430)
• Canada
21 Jul 09
When you are cashing a cheque there are cameras there. However sometimes the cameras don't work so you gotta keep that in mind. Even if you go to a place like moneymart they surely have cameras and you can somewhat pinpoint the time frame down to be looking for whoever is the culprit. If they are both in on it I hope they both pay the price and deal with what they have done. They deserve to be punished.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Heyya sacmom! There are usually cameras and such recording transactions at banks and even small stores. The check should have to location in which it was cashed. Also a signature. They have handwriting specialists that can link a person to fraud. The state usually has them employed for just these situations.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Thanks for your help Jen! Hopefully everything will get sorted out and soon!
• Philippines
23 Jul 09
That's something serious, they have a CCTV camera to over see all the rooms and transactions. they should have some one from the fraud department. it's just ranting and arguing, it will never end, until the cops find some one either of them guilty.