Your allergies are not my problem

@savak03 (6684)
United States
September 28, 2009 11:09am CST
Here in the school where my grand kids go they get breakfast and lunch at school. Still they have a midday snack at some point of the day for which we must send a snack and drink. We are required to send, for each child cookies, chips or crackers and a boxed or pouch drink. Now I don't mind this at all except for one thing. Never, and I mean never are we allowed to send anything with even a smidgen of peanut butter in it. Now I do understand that there are probably a few kids in the school with peanut allergies but my kids don't have these allergies. Each child is supposed to bring their own snack so the kids with allergies have their own allergen free food to eat. Parents with kids who have special dietary needs will surely teach their child to eat their own food and not take food from anyone else. For a fact I know there are children in this school who are diabetic but that doesn't mean that the school doesn't serve sugar and sweets. So why do I have to deny my kids peanut snacks just because some one may be allergic?
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@babyangie27 (5176)
• United States
28 Sep 09
Because sometimes the allergy is not just tasting the peanut butter,sometimes it could be the smell,or touching a [place where something that had peanut butter in it was at. These allergies can be life threatening. I can understand not wanting to deprive your child of something they enjoy but if the cost is another child s life then I will find something else my child enjoys. If your grandchildren had a horrible allergy wouldn't you expect the same?
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
No, I am a firm believer in taking care of my own. I would expect the responsibility for my child to fall to me and not be mandated by some rule arbitrarily set down by others. Now I realize that there are other snacks that can be sent and we do comply, but I feel that it should come as a request and not as an order. If the school wants to mandate what foods can be brought into the school then they should provide all the food themselves and not have foods sent from home. I'm sure some parents find this requirement costly and it's hard enough to get ends to meet financially.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
I actually demand very little because I always try to see both sides of the issue. Check out some of the other comments and my responses.
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• United States
28 Sep 09
I do see that and I was trying to be rude,I was only saying how you would feel if your grandchildren had this kind of allergy. The schools need to cover themselves and our children are in their care while at school.
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@anna728 (1499)
• United States
29 Sep 09
I think you make a good point, but there are cases (although I obviously wouldn't know if this is the case at their school) where a child's peanut allergies are so severe that they can have a reaction just being around someone eating peanuts, even if they themselves do not eat it. My best friend from home has food allergies, including peanuts, but also to egg. She attended the same daycare where my mom worked. In the toddler room, where a kitchen was, they were boiling some eggs so the kids could dye eggs, and my friend (then a grade schooler), who was several rooms away, had a reaction so bad that they had to be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance just because of the eggs in the other room. That was scary. And of course that is atypical, but you never know. Better safe than sorry, I guess.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Yes, because allergies to peanuts can be so severe it is best to err on the side of caution.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 Sep 09
I have to agree with babyangie in many ways. I once saw this news documentary about this very young girl who was so allergic to anythin with peanuts that even if she smelled it could literally go into seizures..she had to constantly wear gloves and wear a face mask. No I can see you point that no one should be dictated to about what not to do, but if it's the health of a child that may be severely allergic then I guess one has to follows the rules. The weird thing I find though...when the heck did kids suddenly get these weird allergies anyway???...one NEVER heard of such a thing when I was a kid--are kids immune systems going haywire all of a sudden? As for your grand kids...well give them a peanut snack when they're home LOL
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Wow, that is some good information. I am so glad you brought it to this discussion. I think we all need to know things like that.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
There are a lot of things different about this generation of children. We remember when we were kids and we didn't have all these allergies and illnesses. We also know how to behave in public and what our limits were. Kids at a younger and younger age are committing crimes, even crimes of violence. It's a scary world we live in.
• United States
29 Sep 09
Our doctor said that peanut allergies can develop due to introducing peanut products, such as peanut butter, into a child's diet before their digestive system can handle it. If their digestive system isn't developed enough to handle peanuts, which means that it doesn't product the proper enzymes to digest the peanuts, then the body will view the peanuts as "foreign objects" and produce antibodies to attack them. That will progress into an allergy. Since children develop at different rates, it is suggested that peanut products aren't introduced into the diet until the child is at least two years old. That varies, and some children can eat peanut products at a year old and be fine while others will not have the proper enzymes until at least 18 months old. Since there is no real way to tell until you give a child peanut products, it is better to be safe than sorry.
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• United States
28 Sep 09
You raise a good point. If each parent is bringing a snack for their own kid, then that kid should eat his own snacks. I admit that sometimes us parents forget to pack the snack. I was just thinking earlier that I forgot to give my girl lunch money today. Anyway, if each parent is giving their kids snacks for themselves, then it shouldn't matter whether they are allergic or not because they are eating their own stuff. This was interesting because I went a lot of years adhering to this rule without really thinking about it. LOL Thanks for this post.
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• United States
28 Sep 09
I suppose it is. There are so many factors that you have to think of. It's no wonder parents are stressed out all the time. I tried to teach my girl what she should and shouldn't have to eat during her school days growing up. And I don't know to this day whether she followed it or not. But she didn't die and she's 16 now. So I guess I must have done something right. LOL
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
Yes but kids will be kids. They will trade and share and not clean up properly behind themselves no matter how well trained they are about their allergies. So it is up to us as the adults to make sure their environment is safe. If that means limiting others, then so be it.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
We do the best we can and then hope it is enough.
@harmonee (1228)
• United States
29 Sep 09
I've never heard of such a thing! How inconvienent! I agree that if a child has such severe allergies that the parent needs to teach them to be very careful about what they eat. People are allergic to all sorts of things. There is no way to safe guard against it all. If a child enrolls that is allergic to dairy or flour are they going to ban all those substances as well? That is just not practical.
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@harmonee (1228)
• United States
30 Sep 09
If those schools experienced something tragic like that, then the rule makes much more sense. I've never heard of anyone being killed by smelling peanut products. Maybe it should be explained to the parents the way you explained it to me and I think they would be much more undersanding.
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• United States
29 Sep 09
I think part of the misunderstanding with this is that most people don't realize how common this allergy is. I have a peanut allergy, but my allergy is rare because of how mild it is: I have to eat it to be affected. The vast majority of people who are allergic to peanuts are allergic to the extreme, and cannot be anywhere near it. This is a mandate that is necessary for the safety of more children than most people realize. There are plenty of cheap alternatives; no child *needs* a peanut snack. They can have one when they get home. It's fattening; they shouldn't have more than one per day, anyway--why not just make it their after-school snack? This allergy was rarely severe even ten short years ago; it's had a huge boom. I don't think the medical community really knows why. But peanuts are quickly becoming a lethal weapon, and I commend schools for taking the appropriate action.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
You are blessed that your reaction is mild. For those people who it is life threatening I really do worry. I see signs up at different fast food restaurants that state they use peanut oil. I wonder do they have any idea how they are restricting their client base, because if they use peanut oil in the restaurant there is nothing that a person who has a peanut allergy can eat there. That oil could possibly be on everything.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
3 Oct 09
OMG How stupid can people be. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to make the connection between peanuts and peanut butter. Sheesh.
• United States
29 Sep 09
Oh, I know; I am *so* blessed. I do have good news--very few people, if anyone, are allergic to peanut oil because it does not contain the peanut protein. I can have peanut oil. I can't have peanuts, peanut butter, nor peanut flower. I was lucky I was a smart kid...when I was in kindergarten in 1992 the allergy was still rare, and we had celery with peanut butter as a snack, and I announced that I was allergic and refused to eat it. They took me to the nurse, and because the idiot nurse didn't have it spelled out for her that I was allergic to peanut BUTTER, just peanuts--and as you and I both know, peanut butter is just ground up peanuts with some oils added--she insisted I was wrong and she and the teacher tag-teamed me (I was five years old) and tried to convince me to eat it. The stupid nurse had a file that said I was allergic to peanuts, peanut oil (which is incorrect) and peanut flour, but because it didn't say peanut butter they were convinced I was wrong. If I hadn't been such a strong-willed kid, I can't imagine what would have happened--if I had eaten it at that age it might have killed me (it still *could* kill me today, but probably not). They eventually gave up and gave me plain celery sticks.
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
19 Oct 09
The first time I heard about this I was really shocked! I didn't realize that so many kids had such horrible problems with peanuts! Geeze, I ate PBJ's EVERY day for lunch until like high-school! It really leads us to wonder WHY is there such an issue now with peanut, when for centuries it was no big deal????
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
19 Oct 09
Now that is a very good question. In fact it was the underlying thought behind this whole discussion. When I was a child, and even when I was raising my own we did things that now we are told are dangerous. Things like putting a baby to sleep on it's belly, or giving a child aspirin when they have a cold, or feeding them peanut butter. In fact I was encouraged to feed my kids peanut butter because it helps raise the hematocrit when they were anemic. So how did all these things suddenly become so life threatening?
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
I agree with what Alice has just shared above and a lot of this has probably got to do with their concerns about kids sharing food. Society has become so litigious these days and schools just aren't prepared to take the risk. I can understand totally your own stance on this and I tend to feel the same because if I am to send my own children to school with food that I've prepared for them, then it should be my own decision what I feed them; but I can also appreciate how the schools wish to cover their butts. Send one of the kids with a nut free tequila shot and see what happens..... lol.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
Hooo! Wouldn't we start something with that one though?
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• United States
29 Sep 09
Are you unaware that simply being allergic to peanut butter does not mean just eating it? Just being in the room with peanut butter or nuts can send a kid into a shock and the kid could die. So, is it OK to put someone else's child in danger simply because you cannot wait until your kid can get home to feed them peanut butter? It's really not the end of the world. Your kids aren't going to perish from not eating peanut butter. They'll live.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Nah. Don't stop doing them. It did get the point across. Sometimes we have to use creative methods to get a point across, or to bring attention to an important topic.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Please read the rest of the discussion. I know that if you respond from your email like I do you don't get to see how it has developed. (note to self) I'm really going to have to stop doing these types of devil's advocate discussions.
@ElicBxn (63235)
• United States
28 Sep 09
because peanut allergies can be very serious, even the whiff of the substance can cause a life threatening reaction - its not just eating other children's food, its smelling it Believe me, I know, before I retired, the office wasn't allowed to pop popcorn if I was at work because the very scent of the popcorn can make me ill.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
I know what you mean. I have a very good friend who is deathly allergic to even the smell of perfume. We all gave up wearing it for her sake. It wasn't required, and she didn't even ask, but those of us who loved her did not want to be deprived of her company so we made the choice.
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@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
29 Sep 09
That does appear to be partisan, to say the least, but, at the same time, they must be trying to avoid all possibility of the wrong kids getting peanut butter. That's the perpetual problem with rules for everybody. You're going to get blanket decisions from time to time.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Yes you are. In cases with this much potential for disaster they are justified.
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• United States
29 Sep 09
I'm with you on this, where did this deadly peanut alergy come from? I think a lot of kids are misdiagnosed and that makes everybody else suffer too. Pretty soon there will be kids who don't like the color red cause it hurts their eyes so guess what, no more red anything. Let's separate the kids with peanut alergies into another school so the minority does not become the majority.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
30 Sep 09
Hmmm. I don't think segregation is the key. That would be like discriminating against the child because he has an allergy. That wouldn't be fair either. After all allergies are not contagious. You can't catch it by being exposed to it.
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@suzzy3 (8342)
2 Oct 09
The point is if mushrooms are in the same room as my husband for a certain time he comes out in a rash,maybe someone might be as allergic as that.Peanuts can acutally kill someone in minutes and although it does seems strange and a bit unfair,It is too risky especially as kids tend to share not wash there hands properly and then touch each others hands and faces.I can acutally see why peanuts have a blanket ban.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
19 Oct 09
Some people are just that allergic to peanuts as well so this is why the school enacted this policy, just in case.
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@jhimx28 (20)
• Philippines
29 Sep 09
yah its been a serious problem
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
For some reason the peanut allergy problem has been getting worse every year. If the medical community doesn't figure out what causes it we may get to the point that peanuts will become a poison that make the whole world uninhabitable.
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@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
29 Sep 09
savak03, I think peanut butter spread is a very popular choice of spread and due to its complexity with the allergies, it is just difficult for every authority or facility to control this particular product into their place. It is just a difficult disposition for the school here and their belief of being fair here means to be firm than allowing objectivity. For me, I can accept their firm stance and introduction due to the extensive damage it can cause if it goes out of control with no heed from the relevant parties. Have a nice day.
• Singapore
30 Sep 09
savak03, To that I do agree with you that they do deserve credits and points as well. Have a nice day.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
29 Sep 09
They are being real careful to protect the kids in their care though. For that they get points.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Dec 09
hi savak because little kids are notorious in offering each other foods and if one of the kids offered a kid with peanut allergy anyfood that had even touched a peanut in any way that child could die right there on the playground or wherever they eat their lunches. that is why they are so super careful.its a dreadful allergy as a person can eat a food made in a plant that makes peanut butter and have just a trace of that peanut in the other food and still react to it and even die. they have to be horribly careful.kids do not always do what you tell them to and they are not smart enough to know that horrible danger. so yes no peanuts at schools.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
7 Dec 09
Yes the peanut allergy is a growing problem. I still wonder why it keeps getting worse. Allergies are not supposed to be contagious but since more and more people are suffering from some kind of allergy or another it makes me wonder if maybe we are catching it from each other?
@merlinsorca (1118)
• United States
2 Oct 09
I think that whoever came up with this idea thought that somehow the peanut butter could get to the people with allergies. Accidents could happen. Somehow the peanuts/peanut butter can find it's way into the allergic kids' mouth. Could happen, but it is unlikely. Though they probably just don't want to take any chances...
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
19 Oct 09
And we all know how well a kid washes their hands, right?