Obama - Big Fat Liar, Pants on Fire

United States
October 14, 2009 10:32am CST
Now I can personally say Obama is a liar when he said no tax increases. I just received my new Property Tax bill and it has jumped up $130.00 and why... Because: Georgia Lawmakers Swap Income for Property Taxes Paring back the property tax break, known as the homeowner Tax Relief Grant or HTRG, isn't the dumbest idea you'll hear this week, but that's primarily because the capital gains plan takes that coveted spot. A recent ITEP report gives the skinny on why state capital gains tax breaks are a misguided tax strategy in general, and the arguments presented therein all apply to Georgia. But there's an extra layer of absurdity to this strategy in the Peach State-- Georgia already allows a very generous capital gains break, and it's targeted to the group most lawmakers would say most need capital gains breaks: the elderly. Bottom line is that it's fairly hard to be a senior in Georgia and pay any capital gains tax at all. So who benefits from the cap gains cut included in the budget? Very rich people. And not that many of them. A new ITEP analysis released today shows that 77 percent of the benefits from the capital gains proposal would go to the wealthiest 1 percent of families, and that the poorest 80 percent of the state's income distribution would collectively see less than 1 percent of the tax cuts. http://www.ctj.org/blog/2009_04_01_archive.html I got no help when I called the Tax Assessors Office asking for the reason. Did nor received any advance warning or explanation. I had to search the web to find an explanation. BTW all you Bamaloonies if you own property you will get hurt as well and NOT just in Georgia. Obama seems to think the American people are stupid but some of us the voters are not as dumb as he thinks!Your opinion please?
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• United States
14 Oct 09
Did you honestly think he was telling the truth? Did any of us really think he was telling the truth when he said our taxes would not go up? I know it then that he was telling a BIG lie. I knew it come back to bite him in the butt too. There is no way we can pay for all these social programs and the national debt without it. Someone has to pay for our governments run away spending....that would be us.
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• United States
14 Oct 09
As expected one of Obama's most loyal myLot supporters does not understand why it is Obama's fault???
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 09
I can't understand why nobody listened when McCain said in no uncertain terms that Obama has NEVER voted against a tax increase. He's another run of the mill tax and spend liberal. Well, more like a spend and tax liberal, but you get the idea. You know, his fans will still insist it's not a lie. They'll ignore what he said and claim he was only talking about income taxes. It's pretty sad how much people will lie to themselves after being lied to by their messiah.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 09
I have but one Messiah, Taskr, but I do have a question for both of you. State and local taxes, state and local social programs, are based on state revenue, are they not? Florida has had to suffer a lot of budget cuts but these were in response to our loss of revenue...mainly in the tourist industry. When my governor raises or lowers taxes, increases or reduces social programs, isn't that the direct result of our state's economic condition? How is the federal government involved in the state's business?
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
14 Oct 09
I was checking in how much us Canadians were paying to get our public medical insurance and how much you Americans were paying before and we were paying only a little more then 10 percent ahead of you. I am afraid that with the taxes that Obama wants now, that you will surpass us. And our capital gains tax is only a little less then our regular tax so really there is not that much benefit. We do get property tax grants, but watch what happens when we upgrade our property, we have to pay more. I sort of believe that Obama is a communist in disguise and he wants to discourage private ownership except to a few of his minions.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
16 Oct 09
We had the same thing with our former prime minister Pierre Trudeau. He was the leader of the liberal party back in the 70s and was responsible for our Canadian Maple Leaf flag and other things, and I learned that he was once in the Communist Party. Our Liberal party is like your democrats in that it is a leftist based party. The Liberal party was mostly in charge and now it is trying to get into office once again. Everytime they come in, something goes wrong and they have the New Democratic Party behind them, but that is not the danger. Trudeau was a very charismatic speaker and he could make wrong seem like right and that is what I am afraid Obama is doing. Communism discourages private ownership and socialism is just a little communism. When the leader of the country wants big government and wants the government to take charge of everything it is wrong.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
28 Jun 10
I am afraid that there will be lots of people in the States putting their property in disrepair because of Obama wanting to control everything and he will do that by raising property taxes because well, only the rich can afford houses. Forgetting that it is the working class and middle class who own houses that will suffer. And thanks for the best response.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
14 Oct 09
I'm confused as to how it's Obama's fault that your property taxes have increased in Georgia. I don't blame you for being mad especially since the wealthiest 1 percent is AGAIN getting the benefits while the lower and middle class get to pay the bill but isn't that the fault of your state or local government? I know a big portion of our property taxes in Pennsylvania are for our schools so some districts have much lower or higher taxes than others. However, since they finally allowed gambling in our state everyone's taxes have been or will be reduced. I won't pretend to know a whole lot about Georgia politics but isn't it a hugely Republican state? That's why I'm not surprised that any tax cuts would benefit the rich. Annie
• United States
14 Oct 09
It is Obama's fault because state revenues tanked when the recession deepened. IMO he has not done anything to help us get out of the recession. He seems to be making a habit of robbing Peter to pay Paul!
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• United States
14 Oct 09
BTW anniepa. Obama's own words were ""If you're a family that's making $250,000 a year or less, you will see no increase in your taxes," Obama promised. "Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your personal gains tax, not ANY of your taxes." However my property taxes are being increased to fund personal gains tax breaks. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_howard_rich/obama_s_middle_class_betrayal
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 09
He's been in office for ten months and you want the recession that took years to get to the low point that it did to magically recover immediately after he took office? First the bleeding had to be stopped, then the rebuilding had to start. It didn't happen over night and it's NOT going to be repaired over night. All of that STILL has nothing to do with what each individual state chooses to do with their budgets.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
22 Oct 09
[b]I have a cousin who is caught in Obama's property tax gears. He explained it to me, but it was too complex for my brain to grasp, frankly, & one side effect of it is he can't develop it or live on it or sell it--he just gets to pay huuuuge taxes on this land he bought some time ago! Man! We're going to have to fight hard not to go under as a nation with the lot in power now! Maggiepie "OBAMA IS AN 'UNDOCUMENTED WORKER!'"[/b]
• United States
22 Oct 09
Maggie I have just noticed your new closing statement. Now I have a question if we are the ones hiring the undocumented worker, we pay his wages and living perks, with our taxes does this mean we, the taxpayers, are breaking the law?????
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
22 Oct 09
[b]If anyone can be proven (after due investigation) to have hired illegal aliens, then yes, that is illegal--even if the employer claims ignorance. It is possible, after all, for an employer to investigate future employees. Otherwise, if you (or your company) didn't personally hire any illegals, even though taxes will go to the illegals in other ways then no, you're not breaking the law. That our taxes go to pay for illegals' health care & other things? That's someone breaking the law with our money. And that happens more often than illegals being deliberately hired. Maggiepie "OBAMA IS AN 'UNDOCUMENTED WORKER!'"[/b]
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
22 Oct 09
[b]P.S. I didn't hire him, by the way. A lot of people who didn't have the smarts to investigate him did. Worse, he's using my taxes for his salary, & those who did hire him refuse to fire him even though he doesn't do the work he's supposedly hired to do, he dips into the till & robs everyone blind, wastes what legal paycheck he gets on huge, expensive parties & personal projects he was never employed to do, & brings his lawbreaking buddies into the office to goof off with, too! Maggiepie "OBAMA IS AN 'UNDOCUMENTED WORKER!'"[/b]
• United States
14 Oct 09
Heather- This is the issue that so many in America simply do not understand. In order to bring in revenue it has to come from somewhere. It either comes from higher taxes, or we cut much needed programs. It's an issue I hear quite a bit about as a teacher. One of the problems many districts face is when the community they are in becomes more elderly. The elderly feel they have done their service, paid their dues, so they do not want to see a slight property tax increase that would benefit the local schools. They feel their kids have already gone to school so why should they pay. The problem with this logic is that it takes a community to have a community. Schools depend upon the raises in property taxes to run. That is just something that goes along with public education. I agree that very rich persons should be paying much higher taxes then the middle man, but I also think that logically if everyone paid let us hypothetically say 10% for taxes it would all work out. 10% of your income or mine would be fair for us, and 10% of a rich person's income would still be more monies then we contribute. Thus making it fair for all involved. I would hope that people would lean toward being compassionate and if they have extra wealth that they would share it by investing in the community they reside in. Now, I do not own, I rent but each year I am given a rebate from the state government for the property tax I pay as a part of my rental agreement. I feel that is fair enough. I did vote for the last property tax increase because the monies were ear marked for the local school here and they need the funds to continue to run. Namaste-Anora
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 09
You know what? Odds are you won't see an extra penny going into the local school. Why? Because they'll just take out money from another source that is NOT earmarked. That's what they did here in Florida. They said that all the revenue from the Florida Lottery would go right into education. For every penny of lottery money education received, a penny was taken out from another source and reallocated elsewhere. It's a trick that's been used over and over again in different states all over the country to trick people into voting for tax increases. Just keep telling them it goes to education and they'll happily support it.
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• United States
14 Oct 09
Our government seem to be a band of scoundrels who twist everything around and get their funds by robbing Peter to pay Paul. I am pretty sure most of Obama's yes men are not losing any of their money in their nefarious schemes. Just the American people who need every penny are the ones getting hurt by the taxes. Obama is encouraging property owner to refinance their homes to take advantage of the lower mortgage rates but at the same time raise the taxes by eliminating last year's homesteader deductions... WHAT A LOAD OF FRIGGIN' CRAP.
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• United States
14 Oct 09
Taskr- Minnesota is very good with its money where education is concerned. Though every state has issues, I've been very pleased with what I've seen locally. Heather- I happen to agree with what Obama is doing, but that is because it makes sense. It makes sense to create income that can help our communities keep going. As far as blaming someone though for GA's issues, you might wish to start blaming the GA government. Federal issues one thing, but each state has its own set of tax laws and they have nothing to do with what Obama is doing in office. They have to do with the decisions your own local state senate and house are doing. I'd start by writing to local offices and complain to them about the recent tax hike in your state. Perhaps there is already an advocacy group there trying to fight it. They are not being "nefarious" when they say they are going to raise taxes and I may be mistaken but at least in all of the states I've lived in tax raises are always on the ballot for vote and never hidden. If you are unsure what your precint voting times are, call and ask. They'll give you times, votes, etc.
• United States
14 Oct 09
The thing is Obama said all of this he just did it with a lot of sly language that was written to trick the mind into thinking what he wanted to do was good. So many people didn't want to listen to the folks asking where all the money for these programs would come from. I think what is worse is that programs that made little sense or that were made to trick the public have not only gone through but failed the public miserable.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
15 Oct 09
Not sure about capitol gain as I have no cds or anything like that but yup my house taxes went up about$150 here back in July I think when they came oout sid that we have a 3% cap I also was wondering like who has the cap we sure aint millionaires!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Oct 09
Believe me that it pains me to find myself defending Obama, but he has nothing to do with your property taxes. Yes, he is breaking his promise with other federal taxes, but your example has nothing to do with the federal government or Obama.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Oct 09
Whew, thanks folks!
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
15 Oct 09
Do you want a Tylenol?
• United States
15 Oct 09
-Hands Ted a stiff drink- It will be ok Ted.
@max1950 (2306)
• United States
15 Oct 09
let me tell ya something about Georgia, i lived in florida and when i got cancer i went to EMORY UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL outside Atlanta for 2 years, WHEN ON DISABILITY i tried getting a cut in taxes for being disabled ,they told me in no uncertain terms i could drag myself in clutching an oxygen bottle and they weren't giving me nothing and my property and state taxes are going up, GET LOST . WELL F THEM i moved back to florida where i pay NO state taxes and get better treatment , ELECTING SONNY WAS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE GEORGIA COULD HAVE MADE, TALK ABOUT A CORRUPT STATE THEIR THE WORST.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 09
I don't see how it's Obama's fault what the state's choose to do at the state level nor how it is that he has any control over state budget decisions. Here in Florida our property taxes went through the roof as real estate values skyrocketed...long before Obama took office. In direct opposition to what you have experienced, Florida adopted a property tax rollback which has reduced the property tax obligation of long time permanent residents. We have many property tax exemptions available, some of which have increased as far as I know, and none that have been removed. New and part-time residents of the state cannot take advantage of the rollback tax rates and pay the current rate. Since state budgets are decided in advance, even if the recession did a major turn around tomorrow, that wouldn't automatically translate in lower local taxes next year or the year after.
• United States
14 Oct 09
Obama's own words were ""If you're a family that's making $250,000 a year or less, you will see no increase in your taxes," Obama promised. "Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your personal gains tax, not ANY of your taxes." However my property taxes are being increased to fund personal gains tax breaks. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_howard_rich/obama_s_middle_class_betrayal
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 09
That's you...that's Georgia...but that's not the case in Florida so what does that tell you? It's not the Feds making the decisions, it's your legislature so why aren't you blaming them instead of the White House? Obama can't do anything about what individual states do in order to balance their budgets.
• United States
14 Oct 09
Spall- That was my point to her as well. I think she needs to go after her local government if her taxes were raised more then a small percentage. I believe we recently went up locally here in what amounted to an extra $50 per year, but it never amounts to very much on a monthly amount and most people I know who own houses simply budget that amount in their monthly budget and never truly miss it. Namaste-Anora