Anyone for National Service?
By katerina
@thea09 (18305)
Greece
October 30, 2009 8:22am CST
We still have National Service here in Greece from the age of eighteen. I'm interested to hear if other countries still have national service, if you went through it, what it was like. Maybe you went through it in the past, or a male relative did.
So how was it, what was involved, was it good for you, enjoy it or hate it. Give your views on national service please - it should make interesting reading.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
30 Oct 09
Would u please explain what it is. If we have it , it must be called something else.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
30 Oct 09
Sorry Aunty, I didn't realise it went by different names. It is when usually 18 year old males have to sign up for a year in the army without any choice. Hopefully they never see real fighting. We used to have it in the UK but it has been stopped now for many years and it would certainly have brought some structure and discipline into the disaffected boys lives.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
30 Oct 09
tHAT'S O.K., THEA, QUIT APOLOGIZING TO ME ABOUT EVERYTHING. That is not neccessary., lol. I thought maybe that was what u meant but wanted to be sure. IT'S called the draft here. I don't believe right now guys have to sign up. It use to be where it was mandatory when they turned 18.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Oct 09
Well you seem to have given it a name I've heard of rather than the other Americal versions here. Hatley speaks of the National Guard but that's where men would be expected to do their draft. I think that the draft is the equivalent of national service.
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@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
31 Oct 09
Hi Thea!
I have been wanting to respond here ever since I got the notifier but Iwas at work then.
Here in Italy national service ended at some point during the last ten years. When my son, who ic now 31, was called up they were gradually phasing it out and he had the choice of either joining the services or doing work with the social services, both for a year, and he chose the latter.
It was an eye opener for him and he enjoyed his time doing it. He was under the local council and the local community welfare assistance. He visited elferly people doing errands for them like shopping, collecting medicines from the chemists, driving them to the doctors and delivering meals. He was made aware of some very awful siruations which he would never have known about had he not done that year.
I think they made a huge mistake in doing away with it here, The youths have altered since it ended and I put a lot of the blame on the fact that they receive no form of discipline anywhere nowadays in most cases. Parents and schools are not like they used to be and with no more national service there is no situation where they have to 'look up' to someone.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Oct 09
Hi Mys, I must say you've suprised me there, I rather presumed the Italian youths would be like the Greek ones. There is still respect in the schools and discipline is adhered to, and there is no problem here at all with male teenagers. When I was at the oxi day parade on Wednesday the senior school was marching and I did say to someone you wouldn't see English teenagers getting on and doing that, all dressed up and proud.
Having a choice as you used to there is a good option and stopping it I would think a big mistake. I don't think it will be phased out here at all as the population is so low and such a history of occupation to spur them to keep it.
@stvasile (7306)
• Romania
6 Nov 09
Let me get this straight... Is this "National Service" when young men go to the armed forces and get trained in the fine art of killing people via fire weapons?
I was lucky enough not to go through all that rubbish... Not that it would be a bad thing to have the people ready just in case a war breaks open, but what we call "army time" had very little to do with actual training, but more with humiliating the ones of lower ranks. You get to do push-ups or scrub toilets just because some moron commands you and he is higher in rank. If you don't, that's insubordination...
Not to mention that this national service teaches every illiterate moron to shoot a fire weapon. That's smart, isn't it? I passed through a preliminary selection for enrollment (to leave out the physically impaired ones) and there was a bunch of guys that needed help in filling out the papers because... they couldn't read or write...
I said I am lucky, because I missed national service by little. My enrollment got delayed because I was in college (that was the law - they let you finish college and you go afterwards), but until I finished college, the law changed and the army passed to a "professional" level, by hiring volunteers that make a career in the army, and the common folk is not forced by la to serve for a certain time (I think I was sentenced to 4-6 months as a college graduate).

@stvasile (7306)
• Romania
7 Nov 09
There are people that say national service taught them discipline, and if they think it served them right in life, who am I to disagree?
I have nothing against poor-educated people. My grandfather never went to high-school, but that didn't stop him from marching with the Romanian troops to Czechoslovakia and back during World War II. I now realize that's what it seems I meant - what I'm really concerned about is the IQ and psychiatric testing, that I went through. Guess what! The ones that didn't know most of the answers to the test were being told some of the answers! Now, how about handing out weapons to people with serious behavior problems?
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
31 Oct 09
nope,ours is still voluntary-for now-although one wonders if mandatory service
might teach some of these kids discipline and manners.
i could imagine the wailing if some of these kids had to make their own bed every morning and put down the playstation.

@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
3 Nov 09
that'd have to be the extendo-slobs.
the house slobs are out of the age bracket.
i think service cuts off at 39 or so.
i think service cuts off at 39 or so.
@cynthiann (18612)
• Jamaica
30 Oct 09
No there is not a National Service out here - I wish that here was as then the unemployed youth would at least be fed and could do some good work like cleaning cemeteries and planting food etc and social and community work. Maybe they would get skills training too. They should not get weapon training though. Far too many cowboys out here as it is.
We do have a defence force and there is not much that they do apart from joining in with the police on some occasions of violent demonstrations. They drive around in jeeps and wear dark glasses.
It could be a good thing but no weapon training. We are only 120 miles long and 46 miles wide so any foreign power would have no difficulty invading and taking control out here. Not that anyone would want too
We do have a defence force and there is not much that they do apart from joining in with the police on some occasions of violent demonstrations. They drive around in jeeps and wear dark glasses.
It could be a good thing but no weapon training. We are only 120 miles long and 46 miles wide so any foreign power would have no difficulty invading and taking control out here. Not that anyone would want too@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Nov 09
Hi cynthiann, so you don't paint a picture of Jamaica as a little island paradise then. You seem quite adamanant against the weapons training. Over here lots of men have shotguns but they are only for the purpose of going into the mountains to shoot birds, and not a bit of trouble from them at all unless there's still bits of bullets in when they come to be cooked.
Your defence force doesn't sound up to much more than posing.
Is there actually a problem there with unemployed youths and crime?
Is there actually a problem there with unemployed youths and crime?
@sunny68 (1327)
• India
30 Oct 09
national services are not mandatory here. in fact it is tough to get into the army as there are many aspirants. in school and college level there is a cadet training program (called NCC) which again is not mandatory. i once did try to get in the army only to find out that i have a flat feet..so joining the army was out of question, on medical grounds.
@sunny68 (1327)
• India
31 Oct 09
making national services definitely would have required a huge budget. and also there would not have been much purpose for that. i have heard that in some countries where national services are mandatory, a flat feet is a boon to those who do not wish to join....i would have been considered lucky in such countries...

@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Oct 09
thea oh yes here in the united States we have the National Guard where young men can sign up and get college credits while serving in peace time, and they are being trained as reservists to go to war if they are called. I do not think we have the thing where they must sign up when they are eighteen anymore, but during the war years all the young men had to sign up when they reached ate 18. My son always managed to miss being drafted as he was always just a few years over the limit then now for the last few years there is no mandatory signing up. But what got me was this horrid war in iraq where so many of our California young men had to go and so many never returned. they never talk about that part of that stupid search for weapons of mass destruction. weapons that never were found, but all the young lives lost can never be retrieved.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
30 Oct 09
Hi Hatley, so the National Guard is voluntary not mandatory, I think that's for quite a few years while their education is paid for. I think signing up was compulsory for most in war years.
I don't think anyone seriously thought the Iraq was had anything to do with weapons of mass destruction Hatley but the news certainly showed many patriotic Americans supporting the whole thing.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Oct 09
Military service? Ours is all volunteer, though there has been a draft at times in the past. I never served. My Dad was in the army long, long ago, but no other immediate family members were.

@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Oct 09
Germany does it. Richard's cousin was telling us all about it.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
30 Oct 09
Is that like some sort of military thing? I know that men in the US have to do something about the draft at the age of 18 but, beyond that I have no idea.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
30 Oct 09
Actually it's called the selective service and when drafted the male can be thrown into any branch of our military.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Oct 09
Our military is voluntary. But there are perks offered as incentive, like paying for your education. Of course now, with two wars going on, not all the young men get to take advantage of the education. Sad.
It's been my observation that this can be a good thing, but government beauracracy gets in the way...not to mention wars getting in the way. I do think that young men need the structure at that early age. Teaches them to be responsible and accountable. If it works like it should...the best laid plans, you know, don't always turn out as they should.
Pres. Obama has suggested a mandatory plan for madatory community service. Don't know how well this would go over as it seems from my research that it would be used to indoctrinate young people with the governments agenda...and not used for teaching ethics or accountability and responsibility. I would rather see it stay voluntary and actually be a positive force for good. Perhaps if the government was trustworthy, I'd be all for it. You know me, the eternal cynic...anything the government does gets bogged down in paperwork and red tape...and propoganda.
How does it actually work other places? Is it a force for good or just a 'program' that makes things worse and wastes money and lives?
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Nov 09
Well it was abandoned in the UK hence the growth in yob culture I believe, there's certainly plenty there that could have done with the discipline, but not all of course.
I don't see it being abandoned here as we are a small country and don't tend to go around waging wars, but with a long history of occupation, the Turks, the Germans, then of course not actual occupations but unpleasant types in charge like the odd dictator, Greece needs to keep up a strong defence and it does have the positive effect of turning out real men. Men here know it is expected of them to do their national service and even those who have lived abroad come back and do it willingly as the age limit for entrants doesn't stop at 18. One of my friends has a son at the naval university and was in China last year with the navy and does not need to join the military because of that.
I think mandatory community service is a bit of a soft option but obviously as the US is usually at war somewhere it is better than compulsory military service. I believe there is a very large proportion of men in prisons there who may have been swayed better by national service than crime if it had been an option.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
30 Oct 09
Hi thea, we dont have it per se. We have something called National Cadet Corps., or NCC. But it is not mandatory. People can join it if they want. Well, I did join it, and they were to teach us horse riding. At that time, my father went abroad, and his sister was my guardian. She didnt agree to send me for horse riding, and that was the end of my dreams. I love horses. :( I think they are lovely and graceful creatures.











