Don't wish it on the other person

@dawnald (85135)
Shingle Springs, California
November 6, 2009 12:12pm CST
You know the thing parents sometimes do? "You should have kids just like you so you know how it feels." My dad's parents said that to him. He was a handful and so was I. I am just happy that my parents never wished that on me. My kids are actually pretty well behaved. Cary, who has autism, has his issues. But all in all I've been pretty lucky. So now Richard has gout. Yep, people actually get gout in this day and age. Apparently gout is really, really painful. From what he's telling me, I wouldn't wish it on anybody. But it has had one interesting side effect. I started having painful back problems in the late 80's, early 90's. And for a while, I was was running around from doctor to chiropractor to massage therapist to acupuncturist to physical therapist trying to get some relief. And he got kind of grouchy with me one day about the bills and told me I should just "deal with it". Well the other day he told me that now that he knows what pain is, he was very, very sorry for saying that. So I would never wish gout or any other painful condition on anybody, but if it taught one person a little compassion, I guess it wasn't a total loss. Easy for me to say though.
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• United States
6 Nov 09
My mother also used to tell us we better be good because we would grow up and have kids of our own one day and we would pay for our raising. Well, I gave that much thought and decided to try to be as tolerable as I could - just in case it was true. My brother was a hellion and very clumsy on top of being a handful of pure BOY. I now have a daughter, 10 years old, and a son, 5 months old. I have been pretty fortunate to have 2 good kids so far, but there have been times I swear I'm paying for her daddy's raising. :) My husband now used to wonder, as a kid, what it would be like to be made out of metal. Well, he is 28 now and has a face plate and bars in his back along with the newest addition - his prosthesis. Thats a whole other discussion altogether. I take that as a lesson is wishful thinking. Lesson being, if you can't handle the outcome, don't make the wish.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
Wow, he must have been in some accident!
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Nov 09
Wow, how scary. But kudos to him for picking himself up again and walking. Wow!
• United States
11 Nov 09
Actually, he was in a couple of accidents. When he was 18 he was in the wreck that shattered his face and almost 2 years ago was the accident that broke his back. That accident paralyzed him for almost a month. He had to have bars put in to stabilize his spine because his L1 vertebrate was shattered and his nerves were shredded. This was the 2nd time he learned to walk. It was MASS OVERSIGHT on the doctors side that is the reason for the amputation. He developed neuropathy in his legs due to the severe nerve damage in his back. He developed a pressure sore on his heal and started wound care but no MRI's or Xrays were done to check for infection or broken bones. They opted to treat it superficially. This went on for almost 8 months until one day he woke up and his heal bones were forcing their way out of his foot by way of the hole in his heal that never healed. It was Osteomyelitis and was not found in time to save his heal bone so they had no choice but to amputate his leg just below his knee. But let me tell you, this man of mine is so totally awesome!!! His amputation was Aug. 4 of this year and he is already walking again. He is very strong willed and very much an inspiration. He's 28 and has learned to walk 3 times in his life.
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@babyangie27 (5176)
• United States
6 Nov 09
Yep my parents gave me that line. And sometimes my daughter can make me want to scream bloody murder but she is a good kid at the end of the day. I am glad in a way he got the gout because it opened his eyes to something he didn't know before.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
Yeah, unfortunately it's something he can't ever really get rid of, so they tell him, at least not without surgery. And here's where I resist the urge to say I told him so too, because he totally ignored everything the doctor told him last year when it first popped up...
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• United States
14 Nov 09
men are so bull headed at times when it comes to stuff like that. My brother has it but seems to keep it under control pretty well.
• Australia
6 Nov 09
I'm sorry to hear about the gout, even though it did have a good side effect for you. One thing you can do to help him is to ensure he has NO TOMATO and NO POTATO and as has already been advised, a maximum of 100gr red meat a day. Tomato and potato are both members of the deadly nightshade family and have a very bad effect on gout. Totally eliminating them from the diet will keep the swelling and the pain down. While that is one bad thing I did not have to face as a child, I have known people who have said things like that. I know one woman who had a mentally affected grown daughter who often said "I hope you have a child like this so you know what it's like" and I wondered how anyone with problems could actually wish them on someone else. Surely the natural reaction would be "I hope you NEVER have to face a problem like this"
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• Australia
6 Nov 09
Because of my sister's treatment when I was a toddler, the knuckles and some bones in most of my fingers have been removed and replaced with silastic. (the "knuckles" don't work as knuckles - just a permanent "happy" bend). They won't do this to the index fingers or thumbs because of the tension placed on them. They have shaved the knuckles and pinned the index finger on the left hand, but not the right. The index finger on my right hand developed gout. It is permanently swollen and painful, but I keep the pain and swelling to a minimum by eliminating tomato and potato. I do not take any medication (none at all for anything) If I have ANY potato or tomato (even a tiny portion or a casserole with tomato base) my finger swells. Worth trying.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
Definitely, I'll let him know!
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
tomato and potato - no kidding. The doc did say stay away from red meat and drink cherry juice, but not much more than that.
@ElicBxn (63235)
• United States
6 Nov 09
Yeah, I've heard that gout really hurts. the uric acid crystallizes in the joints and is like, they say, sandpaper I've been pretty lucky about that one thing, the food allergies keep me from eating too much of the foods that would aggravate the production
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
yeah, so they say...
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@rosepedal64 (4188)
• United States
6 Nov 09
Hi dawn Yep...That is what I heard from my parents too. I was told this when I was a teenager and they wouldn't let me do something that I wanted to do. My mom said you will understand my feelings when you have your own kids. Boy..was she right..Im not sure if I have put that curse on my kids..LOL..
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
It's different saying they'll understand your feelings as opposed to wishing rotten kids on them or some such thing.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
me too (don't read my other discussions lol)
• United States
6 Nov 09
Yeah you got that right. I guess I will have to say that I wasn't a rotten kid..Well that my parents know about. I was a good kid and teenager, and that is my story and Im sticking to it..LOL..
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• United States
7 Nov 09
My mother would say "wait till you have a daughter", while she cried and I laughed. Now I have a daughter and I am crying and my mother is laughing. hahah
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
Children can be a challenge but they bring a lot of joy too.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
I had my twins at 42, no cancer though. I think you win....
• United States
9 Nov 09
Absolutely! I was just being funny. My daughter is the light in my life. A miracle as well. I had her after having cancer and being told I could not have anymore children. The challenge is I had my daughter at the age of 45.
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@GardenGerty (157598)
• United States
7 Nov 09
It is very interesting when you lack sympathy for someone and then get visited with a similar problem. I have another spin on it as well. I always got told "You are just like your dad's family" in a mean voice. Sometimes I was told "I hope you have kids just like you!!!!" in same mean voice. Now my beautiful daughter, whom I am so proud of, and greatly admire often says to me "Mom, I think I am a lot like you." Makes me tear up with pride just to type it. Maybe my mom wished something good on me when she said that when I was little. (She was nicer as she aged).
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
Maybe she did or maybe you just deserved something better than what you were being told as a child!
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
7 Nov 09
Ouch! Gout sounds so painful, definitely. I've never experienced this and no one whom I know suffers from it too. But I've read about it in the health magazine before and true enough, from the description, I think the pain is super unimaginable. I don't wanna wish this upon others too. Never. And coming to the parents topic. Yeah...I notice that too. Some parents can scream bloody murder to their children but they don't mean it. But there are also parents whom are silent but they wish their children's children would teach them a lesson. I think if being uttered as a joke, should be alright. But if it's like seriously saying, might not be a good idea. It can demoralize the child, for sure. Whatever it is, I think in this world, there are bad parents and good parents, just like bad and good children too. I will not wish like that to my children someday. Never...
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
10 Nov 09
Exactly... I couldn't agree more..
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
Even said as a joke, it can demoralize the child and probably just should not be said!
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6 Nov 09
Hi dawnald, My hubby races on his raceing cycle and he does not know what really pain i as i suffer from chronic back and have trouble walking, he is always saying, "it can't be that bad" till he started getting back pains himself, oh but he does goe for his regular massage from his club sports massager but I can't even get him to massage my neck, sigh. Tamara
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
men lol
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6 Nov 09
Until recently I never realised how painful back pain could be. I thought it was one of those things that people could just get on with it. But I was in a car accident in August this year and I got chronic whiplash. It has effected my neck, my back and my legs (something to do with the nerves in the back pinching other nerves in legs). I fully understand now how much it can effect someone and somedays I literally struggle to get out of pain. The pain is constant, so even though yes I get on with it, I am in a lot of pain and things are a lot harder. So I can really symphaphise now. Dawnald I hope he gets better soon I know gout is extremely painful. It is good he can be compassionate now, but its a shame he had to get gout to make him see what you went through
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
7 Nov 09
My sister and I were rather wild as teenagers but my sis was a lot worse and got herself into all sorts of trouble as a teen and caused my parents a great deal of grief. My mother used to use that line on her all the time and sure enough now she is having all sorts of problems with her daughter who is only eight but a total rat bag! I’m not saying that my mother’s wish came true but to this day my mum will still tell my sister that she is getting was she deserves because she was a bad child herself, so instead of helping that is all mummy dearest can come out with!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
is it the child or the parenting, I wonder?
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
10 Nov 09
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
10 Nov 09
Yes...I do wonder about that...
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
7 Nov 09
As we experience more and more in life, we tend to change our outlook and how we've treated others a whole lot. So if it takes gout? So be it, but I hope he feels better soon :) Karen
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
It's somewhat better, but it's never going to be gone without surgery apparently.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
10 Nov 09
Knowing him, he will suffer with the gout rather than even consider the surgery.
• United States
10 Nov 09
Ugh! I hate surgeries, but they are sometimes necessary. My best to you both :)
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• United States
6 Nov 09
Yep, I remember my mom saying that to me a few different times in my child hood and now that I have a daughter I find myself thinking about that saying a few different times. I also remember hearing I feel bad for your/her husband. I am sure I have said the same to my daughter just joking with her. I have well behave kids especially in public..the most I have to worry about is the two of them fighting with one another but doesn't every brother and sister fight. I would never wish bad upon anyone even when I might say to my kids that I wish that their kids act like they did I know that it doesn't mean something in a bad way because I know that I am very fortunate to have kids that behave as well as mine do. I have seen some other kids that act worse than mine and it makes me thankful mine seem to so far be on a pretty decent path...
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
7 Nov 09
Two of mine fight and they are pretty good kids. It's just normal. Most of the stuff that kids get yelled at for are just normal things. And when they really act out, it's generally because they want atention...
• Malaysia
7 Nov 09
Sometimes frustrations get on to parents and they say what they do not mean. That is risky and dangerous as they can psychologically scar their children for life. It would be good for them to check themselves before saying such words. Courses in parenting can help.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Nov 09
Yeah, they can help. Too bad my parents' generation didn't have them...
@cianoy (513)
• Philippines
11 Dec 09
Yes, I hear that from a lot of people. For new parents who were "wild" in their youth, we usually call their daughters "karma". Why? It's like we're expecting the kid to misbehave like the parent. Because you were like this, you will get a daughter who will be just like you or something to that effect. As a side point, yes gout is EXTREMELY painful. I know!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Mar 10
Karma is pretty good so far...
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
6 Nov 09
I think it is hard to understand until you have the same thing happen to you. Gout is painful, my grandma had it alot. She would almost be in tears, just trying to walk.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
It sounds really awful. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 09
dawnald yes sometimes we just do not have patience with a loved one and the pain they have until we come down with something painful ourselves. My dad had severe arthritis when I was in my teens. I remember getting teed off as he could not do things when I wanted to because of his arthritis. It never really entered my self centered young mind that that pain was really bad, but when I grew up, and started having arthritis in my knee I wished my dad was alive so I could tell him I now understood. My table mate has gout, and shes maybe forty, and she tells me her feet hurt her so bad,and now I can sympathize as I do know what pain feels like in my own arthritic joints. She moves like she is in pain and uses a walker. A likable lady from the phillipines,we enjoy talking to each other.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
My mom had pretty bad arthritis too, from a fairly early age. I don't remember getting impatient with her over it though. Just over other things. Like telling me what to do.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
6 Nov 09
I am a firm believer in what goea around comes around. I'm glad he now realizes what u were going through w/your back. I can certainly relate to back problems & i also have gout. Neither one is a picnic. Have a great weekend, Dawn.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
7 Nov 09
lol well my disc was really bad, I doubt the gout was much worse than that, so I guess it's fair. But I'd really rather nobody was in pain...
@savypat (20216)
• United States
6 Nov 09
Yes it just goes to show that everything is a mixed blessing, it's all in your point of view. Can't Richard do something about his gout? I thought it was mainly diet and will corrections and some medication it could be controlled if not cured?
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
He was told that it could be controlled but that ones there was that buildup the only way to get rid of it was surgery. And then if he doesn't behave it could come back.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
6 Nov 09
sometimes we have to wak in he shoes of another person before we know what they are going through. I am so sorry that he has gout though - I have heard that it is awful pain.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
Yes it seems really awful. His comment was that he didn't know what pain was before this.
• United States
6 Nov 09
I am so sorry that Richard (I'm assuming he's your husband?) has gout. I just read about it on Wikipedia and I have to say that it sounds like a terrible disease and I wouldn't wish it on anyone either.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
Yeah, it looks really awful.