Peace and Acceptence

@TLChimes (4822)
United States
December 30, 2009 3:09pm CST
There are many religions, faiths and followings that cover our planet. I was talking to a group of folks recently that thought that all people of one faith were evil because of the actions of a few. I pointed out the violent history of some of the very religion those folks claimed as their own. I also pointed out that they were being hateful in their feelings just as they were claiming the other faith was being. So here's my question..... What does your chosen faith, religion, or thought path say about other paths? Does it teach you to try and make peace with the others, to hate them all if they aren't the same as yours, or is there a middle ground? And at what point is there no peace at all? I know that I personally can't make peace with a faith or political school of thought that teaches that harming another is ok.... that rape, murder and bombing folks because they are different is ok....
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@blackbriar (9076)
• United States
1 Jan 10
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
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@PastorP (1170)
• United States
31 Dec 09
Hi TLChimes, Since I am committed to Christ I adhere to His words. Christ said that no one can come to the Father except by Him (Christ)--John 14:6. There are other Scriptures too but I will give you one more since I want to answer your other questions. Yes, we are to try to make peace with others but that does not mean saying their way is ok too, for that would contradict what Christ said. Nor do we condone sin. We are not to hate people, but we are to hate the sin. Not too sure what you meant by what if there is no peace at all. When Christ returns there will be peace on earth. But, if you mean currently between people, I would say the answer would be to do whatever God's Holy Spirit says to do.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Peace shouldn't have to wait for Christ. But I don't think that's what I meant.... Sin isn't it either.... I mean is another faith that doesn't do evil (in the worst sense) one that you can live next to in peace? If evil is being done (again in the worst sense) in the name of their God, are you told by your faith to war with it?
@PastorP (1170)
• United States
8 Jan 10
You are right. Peace should not have to wait for Christ, but since mankind keeps messing things up, that is what is going to be. I think I know what you are asking--If another's faith is a peaceful one, not out to harm anyone, could I dwell next to them? Sure. That does not mean though I would not try to have them commit to Christ. And, if their religion is such that it seeks to bring others to what they think is truth and they try it with me I would not mind. I take it as a compliment. I figure they care enough about me to do so. You also asked, rephrasing since I can't copy and paste yet, if evil (real bad evil) is being done in the name of one's god, does my faith tell me to war against them? I would say if the evil being done is to someone "innocent" God might direct me to defend the those the evil people are hurting. However, the Holy Bible tells me I am not to take vengeance. Vengeance is different--that's not defending someone but "getting back" at one's enemy. Defense is ok, vengeance is not.
@PastorP (1170)
• United States
31 Dec 09
And I forgot to give you that one more Scripture because I had to take my dog out! That Scripture is Acts 4:12 and indicates that the Name of Jesus Christ is the only name under heaven given to mankind by which we can be saved.
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• United States
31 Dec 09
I am Agnostic. I believe that human beings should have laws that are just, fair, and that are easy to abide by. Is there a God? I don't know. There could be a God. I think that all religions have flaws. I do not believe in religions because I think that most religions have rules and guidelines that are not always easy to follow. Personally, rape, murder, and bombings are wrong no matter who does it, why, or where it comes from. It's just wrong. Rape is wrong. Murder is wrong. Bombing people is wrong. There is no justification for any of it. I believe that my fellow Agnostics, and anyone in their right logical mind, would agree with this.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Yep.... we would agree. I said the same thing.... No matter in the name of whom or what ever.... those things are simply wrong.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
31 Dec 09
I'm a Christian of the Presbyterian persuasion and my church condemns the practice of judging a group of people on the actions of a few. I feel that there are extremist nut jobs in every religion--my own religion wreaked havoc on the world several times in misguided and sometimes evil campaigns to "save" everyone. Even today there are insane extremists who kill abortion doctors and blow up clinics. I think of those people when I am tempted to generalize about a person's religion.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Those are the things about their faith people forget when looking at other peoples faith. Thank you for a great response.
• Mexico
31 Dec 09
Hi dragon: I completely agree with you. Some people make mistakes in every religion some others make horrible things in the name of a religion but we can not stereotype all religious persons, it's just insane. In general i think that reliogion should make persons better and teach us that we should work to be better persons. That's my idea of what a religion should be. Thanks for your answer dragon. Hope you are having a nice day. Merry Christmas/ happy Holidays and Happy New Year. Take Care. -Alvaro.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Dec 09
hi TLchime my chosen religion says all of our relegions lead to God in our protestant religions and we do not believe in warring with others of different religions.We are taught to be p eaceable with all, and not to hate anyone. but me p ersonally I cannot be at peace with a faith that teaches killing others is okay just because they believe differently then you do. Maybe thats why I do not go to church a lot as there are always those who think that only one religion is the right and that you must destroy those who do not believe like you. I am a sort of Christian in that I do not like any religion that makes people hate others.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
30 Dec 09
I agree. It is hard to follow a religion that goes against your own moral beliefs. I say I follow a faith and not a religion because of the corruption I was seeing in the church. And I never could see God saying that Hate is OK.
@May2k8 (18067)
• Indonesia
30 Dec 09
we don't hate anyone for different religion, it's our own choice. In faith I believe in God what must be taken and give us the trust. I don't like war just because we don't have same religion. There is no peace, may be because each people not trust each others. This happened many centuries, but that has happened to all that is not possible to reconcile.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
30 Dec 09
I try to make on a level I can make a difference with... I teach peace in my home, in my neighborhood, and in those who practice our faith together. I don't think it can ever be reached globally because of too many people who think their way is the only right way.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
31 Dec 09
In my religion, many paths are accepted. As long as the mainstay of the path is love. My religion is based on a couple of different types of Shamanism. The Good Medicine Society realizes that people have different paths even within the Society. 3 of us get a cold. One meditates, sleeps in bed and drinks lots of orange juice. One prays, sleeps and drinks herbal tea after going to see a Dr. who says rest and drink plenty of liquids, it has to run its course. Another psychs him or herself up to go for a walk in the woods, get things done, eats and drinks the best foods and calls it a day early. All three get better in their own time. Was anyone more right than another? No, each had a health problem and solved it in his or her own way. So it is with life. Peace with others? Why would I be angry with others if their path is love? I've met people of many faiths, the ones that love are a joy; the ones that hate probably even hate themselves. We're taught to heal ourselves first, maybe they should think about that. Peace and love to you, no matter what your religion.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
very well said!
@p1kef1sh (45681)
31 Dec 09
This type of blinkered, unthinking approach to mankind makes me so sad. Just yesterday two prominent American Republicans said that Britain was a menace to the World because we have Muslims living here in "ghettos". They tar all followers of Islam as bad and the country that they choose to live in just as terrible. All faiths preach peace - but regrettably faith's adherents and followers often interpret their doctrines to reflect what they want it to say, and not what their scriptures actually say. It's easier to hate what we don't understand than to love.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
I have found I prefer to love and that hate is not an emotion I wish to spread. I have also found that other people make that really hard at times. Hey Fishy.... It's nice to see you!
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Christianity teaches us to love everybody, even our enemies. We do not have to even like their ways, but we are to love that person's soul and want what is best for them. I know about the crusades, but that is history. At that time, the bible was not available for the common man to read for himself.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
sad thing about history, it repeats it's self if not learned from.... and people of some faiths are forgetting how the crusades turned out and are bound to repeat the mistakes from that time.
@celticeagle (158876)
• Boise, Idaho
31 Dec 09
I do not have any certain religion that I follow. I do not believe in God as he is taught in the Bible. I am a pagan which means I believe in nature and I believe that there is a higher force of some kind that makes nature possible. And, I am sorry to say, I believe that organized religion does have it's 'evil' parts and following. Hypocrats and people that are more horrid than I ever thought of being show up at church and then spend the rest of the week spinning their ugliness. I have never felt closer to my soul maker than I do in the forrest. I hate no one but I do hate their actions. No peace at all is when no one sees nor cares for what is needed, good, and fulfilling in this life.
@celticeagle (158876)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Jan 10
So true! Only makes sense that the smaller the space the less apt we are to find strife and problems. I believe if we try to make our own little corners of the world the best places we possibly can then we are doing all we can expect of anyone. More than that is unrealistic for most.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Some of the "God Fearing" folks are the darkest of souls.... I really think that the only peace one can find is within their own space.... inside themselves and their personal world - like their home and family. And even that can be hard won.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
31 Dec 09
Hey TL~ I don't feel that there should be violence in religion at all. What does violence have to do with religion? I thought religion was about peace and getting along with everyone no matter what or who they are! If that isn't what the teachings are of a certain religion then to me, that isn't a religion at all! And I don't believe that politics and religion should be taught together because they have never mixed and when they are brought together in any form it always leads to violence.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
We agree on a lot of things Opal.... just so you know I think you are a very smart person.
• United States
31 Dec 09
I believe the Crusades and the various Inquisitions proved that you cannot force someone to believe as you do. If you want to convince a person regarding your religion, you must use clear and convincing evidence and logical thinking. The problem is that so many people are illogical and no amount of evidence will ever convince them. If neither what you say nor the evidence you present convinces them, you can pray for them and leave them in God's hands.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Good point.... my faith tells us to to recruit but to allow others to come and ask what makes us happy and peaceful. We share when asked and offer only what the person is open to hearing. Not many faiths are like that.
• Mexico
31 Dec 09
Pope John Paul the II the great - Picture of pope John Paul II, an example of religion tolerance and dialogue
Hi Tl Chimkes: This is a very important and controversial discussion. In my case, i am a catholic and my religion teache me to be good and respect the other faiths even if they are totally different as mine. I remember right now the good and saint Pope John Paul II who prays with leaders of different religions, that was something very special and inspiring to me, it's like an exaple of tolerance and love God gaves us to the Christianism in general. I tolerate every beleif or disbeleif except intolerance and hateful actions against the others. Thanks for your answer tl chimes, this makes me think a lot about some of the biggest mistakes humans have done against the others just because they were different. Hope you are having a nice day. Merry Christmas/ happy Holidays and Happy New Year. Take Care. -Alvaro.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Sounds like you have God's greatest teachings in mind. You are aiding in the peace I would like to see the world know.
• Canada
1 Jan 10
I am now what you would consider to label someone as an agnostic, or free thinker. I was raised in a strict catholic family and it was very secular, even among it's own christian brotherhood. Catholic was better than protestant and so on because it was viewed as the true indoctrination, the true institution of Christ. So my answer is that when I was involved with religion I saw discrimination while at the same time there was charity being preached as well. I learned what the true meaning of hypocrite meant through christianity. I learnt bigotry towards other religions when I was a child which I have been able to shed such naivity through education and research while growing up. Tolerant faith is rare. Unfortunately one of the natural products of religion is secularism which must cause discrimination.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
those very things is what lead me away from the main religions to the path I am on now.
• United States
31 Dec 09
For me personally I find the most difficult, if not impossible, part of my Christian faith, is being told to love my neighbor. I just cannot overlook the cruelty, murder and hated shown by too many of my neighbors. By neighbor I mean the world population.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
31 Dec 09
I'm horrible at that part of my own faith.... I see nothing that makes it ok to harm a child rape an innocent or bomb a building in God's name....
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
31 Dec 09
Hi TL Chimes, My personal beliefs today are far different from what I was taught in the Christian church in which I was raised. That particular church has however, made many advances over the years and are now much more accepting of others. I don't think there is a religion that teaches that it's okay to rape, murder and bomb others because they are different. There are certainly radicals in many religions that teach such things. We need look no further then what we saw happening in Northern Ireland just a few years ago and would be happening still if these radicals had the power they once did. We have all read of a certain Baptist Preacher in America who's actions against a certain gay man who had been murdered, brought condemnation, even from fellow born again Christians. The radicals in Islam are the same and I could never accept those in any religion who adhere to violence. Blessings.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Well said and just what I was looking to hear.... not that I am surprised to hear it from you. Brightest Blessings.....
• India
19 Jan 10
Hello my friend TLChimes Ji, Your discussion surrounds about faith and religion, in my case and in all cases, both the things are pre-decided before some one takes birth. One never has any option if on ewants to take birth under particular reliogion and faith. Further, All religions and faith are good, only the followers try and explain that they are the best. Well, I am very happy with my religion and faith and nevertry and blame others. Followers may not be following correctly. May God bless You and have a great time.
• United States
23 Jan 10
the Dalai Llama, Tenzin Gyatso once said in an interview, "Being a Buddhist is sort of like liking spicy food. Because even though I like spicy food, you may not like it. Buddhism works for me, but I cannot say if it is the best for you." Buddhism wouldn't necessarily accuse any religion of being evil, but it does suggest that certain beliefs are misleading, contrived, or perhaps prevent one from seeing reality as it is.
@coolcoder (2018)
• United States
31 Dec 09
Extra ecclesiam, nulla salus. Or, "Outside of the (Catholic) Church, there is no salvation." Not counting the fact that Vatican II, due to the influence of a bunch of liberal pastors, began teaching that all religions are good and holy and that the Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true in said religions, the fact of the matter is, this particular Council strayed so far off the path of Church teaching, it isn't even funny...and don't get me started about John Paul II. God bless him, he did much good during his reign, and he was the Holy Father, but he also did a lot of things that raised a lot of eyebrows. Anyhoo...yeah, I'm a firm believer in "Extra ecclesiam, nulla salus," but I'm not going to start bopping people over the head with my Douay-Rheims bible and condemning them to hell. That's not my place. All I can do is live my life in such a way that people will be attracted to the church.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
31 Dec 09
Very good.... I think that is the best way to live
@nawanta (328)
• Indonesia
31 Dec 09
I'm sure the true religions never teach the followers to hate the others. The true religions which is motivated by the love of God will teach the followers to love the others. I'm a Catholic (though i'm not sure that i'm a good one :p). Personally, i believe that Jesus Christ in some other way also reveals Himself in every religions, even in non religious humanism.
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Some times the most faithful are those who live the way they think is most right then what they were taught. I think their are faiths (some radical nasty religions) that do teach that anyone different is to be hated but I can't think that God would want that in his children.