Human right vs death?

Canada
February 1, 2010 4:30pm CST
A woman in her 80's was found dead yesterday in a parking lot. She was only in her pyjamas, she froze to death. She had alzheimer. Today on tv, everybody is talking about what measures could have been taken to prevent this unnecessary death. They already have bracelet that could be worn and would alert the guardian if a person is leaving a set premises. Those bracelet are also equipped with a GPS. So why arent more alzheimer patients wearing them? Apparently they say it goes against human rights?!?!? So its ok to keep those people locked up in an institution where they cant even leave but it wouldnt be allright to monitor where they are??? As far as Im concerned, Id rather have a bracelet and NOT be locked up. What do you think? Would you accept being locked or would you rather wear one of those useful bracelets?
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@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
1 Feb 10
Bad to have a this or this discussion. But I would sooner have one of them bracelets as a matter of fact are they disguisable, I think I want to get one for my kid. You know, have him think it is something really cool, when really it is a GPS tracker. That would the bomb, I wouldn't even have to ask him where he is, I could just show up...oh the possibilities. I appreciate you.
• Canada
2 Feb 10
Hi CJScott, Yes they are rather cool bracelets. Im sure your kid wouldnt even know. I think they also offer chips that can be implanted under the skin. Ive heard of a family in Florida who had it done. I wouldnt go so far as to have a chip implanted under the skin...mine or someone I love but Id sure go with the bracelet. Thinking of getting one for my dog actually. Have it secured to his collar just in case he gets lost. So if I were to do it for my dog, why wont they have it done for people. People die in the cold......dogs can survive!!
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
2 Feb 10
There are one of a few choices here. A-They "think" they can't afford. B-They haven't even thought of it yet C-They don't really care that much D-They would rather line their pockets. Sure, people die in the cold, and dogs don't, but people die in the heat, and people die during the day, and people die at night...It doesn't matter how or when we die, what matters is what people think of us once we passed on. I appreciate you.
• Canada
3 Feb 10
Thanks. Yes I know people die all the time. What saddens me is when it could have been prevented. I remember when I used to work as a secretary in a Senior Home. I once ran outside in my high heels in the middle of winter with no coat on to fetch this old man who had Alzheimer. I took a liking to that old man, and I saw him thru the window with only his shirt and pants in the snow. I had to get him. He wanted to go back home .....I managed to take him back inside then I wasnt too nice to the security guard who was flirting with the receptionist and did NOT see this man walk right pass him. Sometimes you can save some. But a bracelet would save them all.......if someone is at the other end of course!! Thanks for your reply, I also appreciate it.
@poingly (605)
• United States
2 Feb 10
You can be locked up once you do something against the law. However, if she has broken no laws, she could neither be forced to be locked up nor be made to wear a GPS bracelet. Reading your statement, it doesn't sound like an either/or situation. It sounds like she was in a home where she wore a bracelet, where she was voluntarily. Had she worn a bracelet, she wouldn't have been able to leave freely. It's not "would you rather wear a bracelet or be locked up," the question is "if you were in a place that you could freely leave, would you wear a bracelet that would ensure that you would never escape?" Wearing the bracelet in this situation is actually MORE like being locked up.
@poingly (605)
• United States
2 Feb 10
It's very hard to help people who don't want it. You can't force a person to wear a bracelet or lock them up. Either is unacceptable to me. It's a risk, I know, but that's sort of the risks we take in a free society. The problem is that it is very difficult for a person with Alzheimer's to make a decision (or to determine what that decision is)...or stick with that decision.
@poingly (605)
• United States
3 Feb 10
At the same time, I do also believe in someone's right to die. If one is slowly losing their mind, it could be possible that they are somewhat aware of it. While many people are doing everything to keep this person safe and alive, there is also the possibility that this is the last thing the person wants... ...I mean, you know, just because this situation wasn't complicated enough!
• Canada
3 Feb 10
I know its impossible to ask someone suffering from Alzheimer to make any decisions. They sometimes dont even remember who they are, let alone what they want. They do lock people up here in Senior Homes if they suffer from Alzheimer and they dont ask if you consent to it or not. The administration decides that this is what is best for the patient.....THAT scares me. Im thinking of getting such a device for my dog. So if someone in my family were to have Alzheimer (God forbid) Id take care of them and get a bracelet for them. I feel its best to be safe than sorry. Id feel way too guilty if someone I love were to die in the cold all alone. I wouldnt be able to live with myself. Thanks for sharing your views.
@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
2 Feb 10
That happened thirty miles from where I live, as well. I had not heard of the bracelets with GPS, but I am familiar with bracelets called wander guards that set off alarms when the person wearing it comes within a certain distance of a receiving unit. In order for it to be legal to put a bracelet like that on someone it has to be documented that they are at risk for wandering. That means nursing notes need to say things like,"Today Miss S. attempted to leave through the lobby and was redirected from the parkinglot by nurse T. She had no coat and was only in sock feet A person with Alzheimer's and other types of dementia is not always an elopement risk, although they are quite confused. Many care homes do have coded key pads that lock the doors for everyone unless they key in the correct code. I believe that since that standard is applied to everyone it is allowed. Of course these laws and interpretations vary from one location to another.
@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
2 Feb 10
I got trapped in a room between two sets of those doors when my first husband was dying. It was before cell phones. I do not even remember how I got out now, as it was not on any residential wing. From my experience, depending on the home, when a fire starts, certain "fire doors" swing shut, separating the area. The fire safety protocol is to get everyone into the room or area that has the most fire safety built in. That would include sprinkler systems and doors and walls that prevent fire from breaking through. Some of those automatic doors also will automatically disconnect when an emergency happens. In the case of the nursing home where I got stuck the doors would lock only overnight, from 10 pm to 6 am. I just got in between them, in a kind of breezeway at about thirty seconds before ten.That entire time was so traumatic I absolutely do not remember how I got loose.
• Canada
2 Feb 10
Hello GardenGerty, There was this man on tv this morning and he said his bracelets can set off an alarm, they also have a GPS and you can also talk to the person, theres a speaker and they say the person wearing the bracelet would hear what you tell them and it would help calm them down or tell them to stay where they are until help gets there. I can understand having some medical proof that a person is confused or has alzheimer. Theres usually a paper trace saying so. I know that its best to be sure someone needs to be wearing such a bracelets so that jealous wives dont put one on their husbands lol. I was visiting someone in a Senior Home one day and noticed I couldnt leave through tthe doors without punching a code in. I didnt like how it felt. I thought if there is a fire, how would I get out? I had to run all over the place to find a nurse so I could get the code to leave that floor. I know its there to keep them safe but is it really safe?
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• Canada
2 Feb 10
Im sure you dont remember that period of time very well. My heart goes out to you for having been through this.
@rsa101 (40987)
• Philippines
1 Feb 10
It is a very difficult issue to tackle. I am thinking that for those that have a loving and caring family they would not need to lock them up in a facility because I know the family can take good care of them. But for those that do not care for their older relatives I guess they should just put their family member who is struck by this disease to a facility that can take good care of them. It should be offered as an option because different families have different priorities in life.
@rsa101 (40987)
• Philippines
2 Feb 10
Yes that is true.... I am thinking that there are certain cases that need them needed attention so outside care should be provided. These facilities are available or if you can afford to hire a private nurse or caregiver to look for them better. Sometimes you cannot blame the son, maybe because this is something new to him. I guess for those that have Alzeimer's in the family they should either seek help to better understand what complications in life they will have to meet if they decide to keep the patient to their homes.
• Canada
2 Feb 10
I didnt mean to make it sound like I blamed the son. HE might now have known what Alzheimer was all about. Our doctors wont always explain it all to the family. I dont know these people, they might have kids and be very busy trying to make ends meet. So no....not the son's fault at all.
• United States
1 Feb 10
I'm with you, Magical! Put anything you want on me to keep track, but never lock me up!
• Canada
2 Feb 10
Hello Cobrateacher, Thanks for letting me know. It seems that here they want to keep people locked up instead of having them wear bracelets. I just cant understand why and I thought that maybe I was the only one thinking this way. It scares me to think that they might not go with the bracelet. Thanks for your reply.